Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[MisterListerTheBlister]

I'm half-wondering if the idea of flowers mimicking humans in Chapter 5 was some hamfisted idea to help get us used to the idea that Kris ain't the only human around come the last chapters.
If the flowers can change their body as they wished, then surely they had to see some humans on TV, newspapers, manga, or even Asgore's/Kris's head to get inspiration.

 

[Diddyhammad]

Man, I was excited to play the chapter ffs

If you think that's bad, I HAD TO REPLAY ALL FOUR CHAPTERS AGAIN JUST TO BE PREPARED FOR CH 5. FML.

given weird route is shaping up to be compromised and underbaked as shit. Is aborted snowgrave gonna be the true route for deltarune?

ALSO, it hit me that you can't get the final shadow crystal in CH5 if you go for the weird route. Meaning you can't even use the fucking twistedblade in ch7.

 

[Gentle Wind]

According to this guy's youtube channel, he is a christian furry. Make of that what you will.

 

[Max Free]

Theoretically, Dess could be human. I don't think there's any definitive proof yet she was a monster, and there's some weak evidence to suggest the red soul was Dess's and Kris lost his original soul somehow.

Define "monster". The flowers even refer to Susie as a "human". But Dess definately was a deer, as the flashback scene in front of Tenna showed an additional character with antlers.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Define "monster". The flowers even refer to Susie as a "human". But Dess definately was a deer, as the flashback scene in front of Tenna showed an additional character with antlers.

Sihilouette of antlers. It's not impossible the family got the idea of a horn headband from Dess wearing fake antlers.

 

[Smegward]

That's why she says "tell me to grow wings and fly"

I think that line is from chapter 2.

 

[Diddyhammad]

I think toby is DELIBERATELY drip feeding us answers for the sake of gain. More theory slop channels will continue to give us more, and more videos which will garner tons of attention to deltarune.

This shit has got to stop. Just tell me what the fuck happened PLEASE.

I HATE how much of Deltarune is stuck behind insane theories that only schizophrenic troons would come up with and open interpretation. I'm fully convinced gaster will straight up not be eleborated on. Other than being mentioned ONCE in ch7 probably.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

I think that line is from chapter 2.

It's a recurring theme with Noelle.
Chapter 5:

* Tell me.
* Tell me to grow wings...
* And let's fly out of this stupid town!

Chapter 2

* If YOU could do something crazy right now,
* What would you do?
* U-umm... Well, I... I...
* I'd... I'd jump out the window!
* Huh?
* It's a dream, right?
* I'd grow big angel wings,
* And fly as far as I can, gazing back at it all...

Chapter 4:

* ... what are these little, uh, wings in here?
* Um, oh, haha, those? I've had those since I was a little kid...
* They're from when I was the angel in the Holiday Pageant.
* ... But I liked them so much, I just... kept wearing them.
* (A clothes wardrobe. A pair of small angel wings are inside... worn out and tattered.)

 

[Bnuny]

I HATE how much of Deltarune is stuck behind insane theories that only schizophrenic troons would come up with and open interpretation. I'm fully convinced gaster will straight up not be eleborated on. Other than being mentioned ONCE in ch7 probably.

I've been hoping that Asriel casually mentions that Dr. Gaster is a tough grader, and he never comes up again.

 

[Tago Mago]

I really liked this chapter overall. The gameplay was fun, the music was fine (I think it gives out a "mid" impression because ch 4 music was absolutely peak, but it's still solid), and I don't even mind it being a "relief" chapter.

However, I have some issues:

1: Suselle. Holy cungadero what a forced ship. Look, even a friend of mine who is progressive as fuck and enjoys faggotry thinks it's a forced, bland relationship. I mean they literally just started talking like two days ago and now they're "tooootally in looooove", even Susie outright says "I like Noelle because she likes me, I like whatever she likes", and I mean... realistically that could be a starting point to introduce some angst and subversion because, guess what, liking someone "just because they like me" never ends well. But we know Toby is a massive faggot so that won't happen. So yeah, it's not his barely disguised fetish, it's Toby's "not disguised at all" fetish. Kris being cucked could also lead to something interesting but that ain't happening either.

2: Blue. Fuck, is this faggot's design repulsive, and so are his mannerisms. Ugh, I think Toby might actually hate gay men because it's the most stereotypical representation of faggots I've ever seen. I felt disgusted everytime I had to see that weird nigger in a tutu.

I wish they'd start wrapping up plot points but I mean, Toby himself said this was the last "light and fun" chapter and despite everything, Kris is absolutely miserable at the end, Susie is now in full escapism delulu mode, etc. I still have some hope for chapters 6 and 7. It also doesn't help that chapter 4 was so peak, of course chapter 5 looks weaker (and it is).

I kinda wish chapter 5 happened earlier and 4 later, it makes more sense.

 

[Diddyhammad]

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>chuddiest site on the the internet
>second most posted thread on the list is a game made by a faggot jap LARPer that may or may not be traumadumping the fact that one of chicks he dated ended up a dyke. Oh and faggotry galore.
>also is somehow a complete 180 in how all the users are chill and..."normal" compared to the 24/7 spergathon in USPG2

God bless the farms and nulls cheese storage inshallah

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

1: Suselle. Holy cungadero what a forced ship.

A ship so badly written it gave me schizophrenia and made me think Susie is Streibough-ing Kris.
Or if you want to be more generous to the bitch that can summon up the "Your Best Nightmare" leitmotif at will, the prophecy is forcing this shit to happen, even if it clearly doesn't work.
I refuse to believe Toby would write all the Suselle shit to just not fucking work at all and then also write shit like Noelle and Kris having 100% compatibility and shit.
Giving Toby the benefit of the doubt, I'd say that the lake scene was meant to be just a little bit unsettling. Like, it doesn't really matter how you look at things, Noelle and Susie's date at the festival went terribly. Susie bullied one of Noelle's friends, she fucked up the strength tester, and fuck, we don't even know how their ferris wheel date went because Kris refused to think about it. (Though trying to think about other things makes Kris recall the time him and Noelle were closer)
The reason it feels so bad is because somewhere, it has to be that bad. Like, sure, Toby can't write romance when it's yuri for shit, but there wouldn't be any reason for him to have gone out of his way to make it so painfully clear how ill fitting Noelle and Susie are together, while also going out of his way to show off how well both Kris and Susie or Kris and Noelle work together.
It's one of the reasons I'm all in on "Fucked up Prophecy" theory. Because if the festival ended at the lake with Kris and Susie having a moment, or even Kris and Noelle, things would've made more sense to have taken place at that point in the story. The climactic confession of love between the two heroes just before the story ramps up too much for any more quiet moments to feasibly happen. (Though the fact that they fought a TITAN and nobody gives a fuck is still weird.) Instead, Kris was basically just laying there half dead as his world started shattering to pieces around him, and then the hopeless little simp let his heart be torn to shreds again at the end of the chapter, too.

 

[Milkmaid Man]

Here's a schizo theory I just thought up. What if Susie produces the thorn ring as a result of eating a rose just before Noelle's house? She could get a thorn stuck in her teeth and after picking it gets it out, and the Weird Route is entirely meaningless as a result.

 

[MisterListerTheBlister]

Perhaps the real lolcows were the friends we made along the way.

 

[mer569]

Okay, I didn't expect the chapter ending to be SO SHIT though.
Flowers weren't as bad as I expected, Flowery kinda grew on me toward the end.
But then we just leave into a forced cutscene and then get cucked out of the closet and it ends?

Couldn't even wiggle around as a soul in the balloon as I was being abducted by Kris to go get willingly cucked instead of exploring the aftermath of the festival.
Truly an indian chapter, so much for the "festival".

 

[Smack Patrick]

Couldn't even wiggle around as a soul in the balloon as I was being abducted by Kris to go get willingly cucked instead of exploring the aftermath of the festival.

Actually, what kind of shitty festival doesn't go into the night anyway?

 

[spagandhi]

I've got some plans to put a full script together showcasing the entire argument.
If you'd like to help though, I wouldn't be amiss.
Then when that's done, I'm planning on maybe compiling all that into a group of infographics that lay out all the evidence properly.
I'll need to sort out all the chapters individually.
Just gotta whip out the ol cheat engine so I can try blasting through the game at 500% speed with godmode for the sake of getting better screenshots.


I only brought up the Skies Forever Blue thing because it shows that Toby has experimented with concepts like that before.
Also, Toby loves taking massive inspiration from games from his youth that inspired him, so the idea that he's taken inspiration from Live-a-Live for the sorta shit that ended up happening to Oersted at Streibough's hands wouldn't be totally out of nowhere.

Definitely need to include the revelations part, the super Mario world reference, and casting the dragon into hell. I'm pretty handy at video editing so if we can pull a script together it might make some waves.

 

[Tago Mago]

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I really love how these were done, I could watch a couple of hours of Noelle going insane. It's honestly amazing how better and more interesting Noelle is when she is not attached to Susie. It's like an entirely different character.

It's amazing how Susie and Noelle are pretty good characters on their own but get absolutely massacred when they're together

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Okay, I didn't expect the chapter ending to be SO SHIT though.
Flowers weren't as bad as I expected, Flowery kinda grew on me toward the end.
But then we just leave into a forced cutscene and then get cucked out of the closet and it ends?

Couldn't even wiggle around as a soul in the balloon as I was being abducted by Kris to go get willingly cucked instead of exploring the aftermath of the festival.
Truly an indian chapter, so much for the "festival".

Oh, the story absolutely knows it just kicked you and Kris in the teeth. The way the music instantly stops. The way Kris immediately looks down for a few frames, it's clear that Toby knows what he was doing.
But the big question on my mind is why? Why did you feel the need to make the lil nigga suffer so much, Toby?

A brief addendum to the "Dark Worlds are made by Noelle and Kris" thing. The Cyber Festival in Chapter 2 with the enormous ferris wheel, the plentiful minigames. the lack of the hometown butcher, and just the fact that it was so much bigger than the actual festival can be taken as yet more evidence that Dark Worlds are modelled on the imaginations of the young Kris and Noelle. After all, everything seems so much bigger when you're just a kid.
Also for some reason Noelle's room leads directly onto the Ferris Wheel. Curious.

Definitely need to include the revelations part, the super Mario world reference, and casting the dragon into hell. I'm pretty handy at video editing so if we can pull a script together it might make some waves.

I also want to include the likelihood that the Dark Worlds were originally Noelle and Kris' thing from when they were kids.

 

[The Blue Room]

I'm fully convinced gaster will straight up not be eleborated on.

This is the biggest problem with the ARG-style lore of Deltarune. One of two things will happen;
1. We get answers, and normies who don't give a fuck about Gaster or any of the meta stuff will be left utterly confused.
2. We get no answers and Toby Fox gets lynched for his crimes.

Best case scenario the Gaster related stuff is elaborated on in the weird route or aborted weird route since some amount of meta knowledge is required to even do it.