Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Jhonny Jhon]

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

What if Jevil is Kris' "lost dream"--a dream so powerful that if set free will end up killing everyone?

Oh. Oh no.
Alvin:

* He would visit me often to confess... to various, "sins".
* Despite the absence of sin, or confession, in our religion.

Jevil

MY HEARTS GO OUT TO ALL YOU SINNERS!

Only three people have ever talked about the concept of sin in universe. Asriel, which is why Alvin talks about it, and Jevil.
Jevil believes that the entire world is a cage, and that he's free in his own cage.
Asriel and Dess are missing, and there's clearly no world outside of Hometown so the college thing is probably just bullshit.
Could it be that the Lightner's dream that Jevil has a Shadow Crystal from is Asriel's?
Maybe I'm reaching...

 

[Cryogonal2]

archangel Mike

you can't do this to me, i can't not think about that fucking pippins as the biblical mike now.

 

[mer569]

Toby successfully Homestuck'd his creation. Right as it starts turning into peak in the first half, it turns into an ultra gay, teeth-grindingly slow cuckfic because some Tumblr chukclefuck hijacks the writing process. I don't know if Toby actually has a ghost writer on hand, or if there actually is 7D chess writing at play, but if it's the case, I genuinely don't understand how mindrotted and retarded you'd have to be to stoop to this point.

Back on topic: this idea of Rudy having absorbed Kris' soul makes sense if you consider that monsters injected with determination look normal for a while. In UT, research notes indicate that every patient injected with determination healed from whatever ailed them, and on top of that, operated normally for a while. The way Alphys' logs are written, amalgamates turned this way over time, not instantly.

It's highly likely Rudy is in the first stages of this.

This guy hired additional people to put the game out faster.
Instead of the game being finished in a reasonable time, the newest chapter is tranny cuckplot and it's gonna take a decade to fully release the game.

I kneel.

 

[Two Dollars]

Flowery Scarf - Ralsei (though he can't use it until next chapter)

Sorry to be pedantic, but the FloweryScarf becomes the BrokenScarf after Flowery dies. Just like Flowery, its stats were fake.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

So, a hypothetical:

What if you had a friend who you knew was working on something for years and years that he clearly put his heart into and already made a lot of money off of, only to kind of let slip something really big about the plot that he probably wouldn't want anyone else to know about? What if this same friend doesn't realize just how big this thing he ended up revealing is, and it would break his heart if someone let it slip before he had a chance to reveal it on his own?

Asking for a friend (not me).

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

More evidence that monsters leave corpses: Asgore threatens to parade the body of the person opening up the dark fountains around town. Now, he has no reason to suspect the only human in town, so he must be expecting a monster to be the culprit.

 

[smartgenius55583433157]

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[Two Dollars]

So, a hypothetical:

What if you had a friend who you knew was working on something for years and years that he clearly put his heart into and already made a lot of money off of, only to kind of let slip something really big about the plot that he probably wouldn't want anyone else to know about? What if this same friend doesn't realize just how big this thing he ended up revealing is, and it would break his heart if someone let it slip before he had a chance to reveal it on his own?

Asking for a friend (not me).

Your “friend” should mix a bunch of bullshit theories in with the real one so no one believes any of them. yes I took this from The Office, I’m not sorry

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

So, a hypothetical:

What if you had a friend who you knew was working on something for years and years that he clearly put his heart into and already made a lot of money off of, only to kind of let slip something really big about the plot that he probably wouldn't want anyone else to know about? What if this same friend doesn't realize just how big this thing he ended up revealing is, and it would break his heart if someone let it slip before he had a chance to reveal it on his own?

Asking for a friend (not me).

Look there's so much schizo and theoryposting that somebody could say "LOOK GUYS TOBY TOLD ME" and somebody would call bullshit on it.
Me personally, I'm invested in Evil Susie theory now.
Even if it doesn't come to pass, I shall simply shake my head and say "What a shame, the trannies made him change what he had planned. Was this your dream, Robert?"
I have Jevil tier cope.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Chapter 4 literally had an admission that he felt he was TAKING TOO LONG basically he's becoming too lenient and not tugging on his tranny slave's leashes enough and it's starting to

That was Nintendo poking him to work faster.

He also doesn’t have a shareholder-mandated timeline to release his game.

Now he does.

Though given Gaster Bird's "G" slip up, I'm willing to bet the connections are deeper than most people think.

There's still the question of how many humans are there. In UT coexisting wasn't really possible as any human dying near a monster would start a snowball of doom.

Alright, finally found a picture.

There's some common misconceptions on who the shop keeper was that sold the key. It was Pink. After defeating her, Orange is with her watching the sunset in the store.
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Goddamit, I hoped it was a real girl, not a troon.

From what I've gathered, apparently Dess disappeared for some reason, a Dark World was involved, and Asgore was somehow blamed for it all. Probably by Toriel, knowing Toby.




Is it just me, or does Asgore seem like Toby's personal whipping boy more than anything? Seriously, in both games he gets absolutely fucked over... and yet, we're supposed to just shrug it off in favor of lesbians and memes.

No straight white men are allowed in woke works.

And literally the one indie westerner that they actually trust, more or less. He's every nintenfag's wet dream come true, but actually has the mental capacity to not tard rage

Wonder what Nintendo thinks of the whole sodomy thing going on.

The biggest problem with this game is how Toby hasn't managed to replace all the trannies with soulless Japanese bugmen developers that only eat a single bowl of rice, work 18 hours a day and won't ask for their genderspecial values to have some sort of representation.

He would have completed the game in 1 year then.

is 100% intended to be both an allegory for 2 teenagers eloping and fucking on the beach, while at the same time representing a suicide pact where the two kill themselves together.

Worse, technically hetero sex! Why aren't the death cult complaining?

Playing the game fully in the future will be confusing unless Toby expands the lore. Imagine not knowing about the ARG stuff and thus wondering what is going on with Noelle going badshit insane.

 

[Super Guido]

Oddly enough, when you use a Shadow Crystal/the glass on the Chapter 5 Weird Route, the only thing you get is:

Kris does that with anything you try to examine in the Weird Route. It's not exclusive to the Shadow Crystal.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Kris does that with anything you try to examine in the Weird Route. It's not exclusive to the Shadow Crystal.

He doesn't do it to the Bread.

Also, something I just noticed, and I think that Kris doesn't want the Soul to know about the Prophecy, either, in Chapter 4, when Alvin is about to give a Sermon on the Prophecy and Gerson's writings, Kris does this shit:
* (Listening to this, your eyes became heavy...)
Little shithead.

 

[Sunset Ethernia]

It's a clever reference to that part in the Bible where the archangel Mike casts the Dragon out of Heaven.

The dragon then pursues a woman, who in turn grows wings and flees. The dragon then has water pour out of its mouth, flooding everything.

The dragon then goes on to wage war against everything. And then, a beast rises from the lake... a beast whose number is 666...

image from skies forever blue song that toby worked on, it's a skeleton dragon, a fucking GONER.

 

[Dracula]

Unfortunately Asgore is more or less in the exact same position he was in before 5. He's so fucking vague that we can't know what his motives really are.

It appears that "something happened" on "that day" and it's somehow tied to Dess's disappearance and Asgore wanted to prove that it "wasn't his fault" and it was because of the Dark Worlds but he became so obsessed with it everyone thought he was crazy and Toriel left his ass. Same as before.

5 ends with him kinda sorta giving up his search for Kris's sake, which is nice, but then he's kidnapped by the Knight 2 minutes later anyway.

Ngl, I was really mad Asgore was tip toe around explaining anything at all. You can cut the whole speech, have him give up his search to look out for chris and then immediately get bagged by knight. Nothing would change.
I was also mad about the continuing trend of his emasculation. Toby couldn't even let Asgore have one good moment to get his shit together to fight back the knight before being dragged off.
Even Undyne fought before being carried away.

It's really ironic how much shit he's getting in deltarune without explanation by Toby, while Toriel is the one hated by the community after the events of ch 4 and she got 0 consequences.

 

[Super Guido]

He doesn't do it to the Bread.

He stops doing it when he meets up Susie, I think.

ETA: Oh I think I sort of misunderstood. I thought you meant right at the beginning of the chapter where he's walking very, very slowly. It's like he's giving you the silent treatment.

 

[Two Dollars]

That was Nintendo poking him to work faster.

>noooo nintendo made toby delay the game so it would launch on switch 2!
>noooo nintendo rushed toby to put the game out faster so its not as good!
Make up your minds, people

He stops doing it when he meets up Susie, I think.

Nope, he still does it afterwards. Bread is the one thing in or out of inventory that has a description.
Also, it’s probably not important, but why are the lake benches gone in the weird route?

 

[smartgenius55583433157]

>Alright, MAGGOT, listen up and listen good! You think this lake is just a pretty puddle? THAT WATER IS EATING YOUR HP, YOU WEAK-LEAFED TWIG! You wanna survive? You wanna get to that glitchy skeleton and knock his teeth so far down his throat he’ll be chewing on his own kneecaps? THEN YOU SPAM THAT "PROCEED" DIALOGUE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT—BECAUSE IT DOES! AGAIN! AND AGAIN! AND AGAIN! UNTIL THE GAME BREAKS BEFORE YOU DO! NOW MOVE, MAGGOT, BEFORE I USE YOU AS A RAFT!

 

[Super Guido]

>noooo nintendo made toby delay the game so it would launch on switch 2!
>noooo nintendo rushed toby to put the game out faster so its not as good!
Make up your minds, people

Nope, he still does it afterwards. Bread is the one thing in or out of inventory that has a description.
Also, it’s probably not important, but why are the lake benches gone in the weird route?

Oh, okay. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention after a certain point. Yeah I think he's withholding information like the angry lil fucker he is.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

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image from skies forever blue song that toby worked on, it's a skeleton dragon, a fucking GONER.

That girl is wearing a Ribbon, I just want to point out.
Also Skies Forever Blue being about a secondary playthrough after one of the characters becomes self-aware and uses that to be more assertive to say she loves the hero is very interesting. (Also the world is literally dying because GBC Carts have shitty batteries)