Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Cryogonal2]

That's funny, Sans also has that kind of freedom.

 

[Kitty Cat Man]

Somehow, in some way, that one image really put something into context for me. Deltarune, as we all know, is heavily inspired by Earthbound

>final fight with the knight
>it uses PRAY

 

[Dorothy]

More evidence why I believe Rudy is the knight after chapter 5. I think a lot of people overlook what's going on in the Weird Route with Rudy. Only him and Sans are in town and for season reason, he is still putting up lights despite the festival being over. His model looks like he's breathing heavy and winded.


I really think he was stalling, waiting for Kris to open the dark fountain. I do believe his fall was real, probably happened right after this.

Huh, yeah.

Counterpoint. I'm going through chap 5 again, the festival. This time I took Suzie on the wheel, did the hammer thing with Noelle. I can tell how FORCED this dyke shit is. Toby is a yurifag, but this might be coming into a tragedy.

The beach dyke scene. You might think Kris is asleep in the bench while Susie and Noelle are flirting.

But I think Kris was texting the evil chat group. Telling Carol to do something. That's when Carol calls and says "he fell down".

His dialogue in the weird route in that pic is really fucking blatant. "Holidays are full of surprises."

 

[Smack Patrick]

If Susie ever has a scene where she's begging to still be friends with Kris and he's just completely silent out of our control, I might consider forgiving Toby Fucks.

Spoiler: Deltatroon ending sequence

>Susie in her delusion does something that causes harm to come to Noelle
>Kris and Susie carry her to the hospital
>all along the way it's "Dark World this, Dark World that" from Susie
>comments on Kris being visibly angry
>Noelle on the hospital bed in pain asks Kris to check on her dad before passing out
>Kris looks worried about leaving Susie there
>"She'll be fine Kris, I'm here!"
>Kris absolutely seething at her, but tries to remains calm and leaves to check on Rudy
>conversation with Rudy ends with
>"You're a good kid, I know you'll do the right thing. Even if it hurts."
>back into Noelle's room
>Noelle's gone
>Susie's gone
>a single piece of paper on her bed
>"TAYKEN NOEL TO DARK WURLD, TO BE HEELD BY RALSEY"
...
>"You're a good kid, I know you'll do the right thing. Even if it hurts."
>"- I know you'll do the right thing. Even if it hurts."
>"- Even if it hurts."
>Kris snaps
>crashout that will define a generation
>screen starts rumbling like it did that one time when you forced him to rape Noelle
>you are given the choice.
>[Stop her.] or [Let Susie Handle it.]
[Let Susie Handle it.]
>you don't even get to select it
>you simply hover over it and Kris interrupts
>rips you fuck out and slams your ass against the fucking wall
>chases after them
>you chase him
>eventually catch and reenter him
[Stop her.]
>Kris turns to the player and nods.
>understanding achieved
>time to end this fantasy
>you make your way to the DW with him
>final DW is PLAYERSusieTown
>first encounter
>can either only ACT or attack depending on your choice from earlier
>fight/act your way to the top where the dragon is keeping the Princess

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I really don't want to believe that Susie is actually evil with how good her and Kris's relationship was up until now.

Being cucked by the author then finding out the person cucking you was also evil the whole time is too much.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

>final fight with the knight
>it uses PRAY

 

[LoogerLike]

I really don't want to believe that Susie is actually evil with how good her and Kris's relationship was up until now.

Being cucked by the author then finding out the person cucking you was also evil the whole time is too much.

I still like Susie, but if she's a bastard that's trying to subvert my little nigga's whole life then she's gotta go, plus it'll be kino watching friends/love interests try to kill each other.
Dare I say? Only after 3 or 4 days of crashing out that I'm back on Mr. Tony's wild ride?

Now that I think about it, remember that story Susie told about how when she was banned from playing the piano in her old town she destroyed it? I wonder if that destructive character trait will come into play and she'll try something similar on Noelle or a dark world.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

I really fucking hope that if Timeline Theory ends up being true, the Weird Route allows Kris and Noelle to watch what their lives should've been from outside of the boundaries of the world. I want to see Noelle's crashout get even worse, and hear her true thoughts on Susie when she's outside of the boundary of the prophecy.
There's so much potential in this story, Tricky Tony.
Don't kill it for yurislop, please.

 

[TyrasGuard]

I really don't want to believe that Susie is actually evil with how good her and Kris's relationship was up until now.

Being cucked by the author then finding out the person cucking you was also evil the whole time is too much.

To be fair, given the game's premise, we are the bad guys here.

 

[Dorothy]

I don't think Susie is a bad guy, I think she's just a Gaster golem veering shit off course.

When she finds out, she's going to crash out hard.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

want to see an Elfen Lied rip off from Toby

There was a moment of horror that I felt reading this, that these children would infest and ruin something I love, only to be comforted with the thought that Elfen Lied would naturally repulse and gatekeep itself.

 

[RogozubEnjoyer]

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

You know now that I think about it the "Susie was only bullying Kris because she thought he was dating Noelle" retcon might be the dumbest fucking thing in the game.

What possible indication would there be that Noelle and Kris were dating? It's been established since chapter 1 that they haven't hung out since they were children and that Kris saying more than 2 sentences to her in one sitting is noticeably abnormal. They barely interacted and everything that Noelle did to be "nice" to Kris was just stuff she did for everyone like handing out pencils or trying to help with schoolwork. Noelle barely even thinks of Kris as a friend anymore, he's more or less a weird kid that she used to be close with years ago but is just kinda... around now.

Ffs they don't even sit by each other in class.

Why in god's name would Susie ever think they were dating, let alone bully Kris over it for months without ever realizing that it wasn't true?

Back before this the reason Susie bullied Kris was because Kris came from a loving home and Susie was jealous of that, it's why Susie constantly brought up Toriel when she bullied him. Now not only are those implications completely dropped, but Susie is now also significantly dumber and more petty in her reasoning for bullying Kris than before for literally no reason.

It went from "You have loving parents and I don't, I'm going to take out those feelings on you" to "Grr you're dating the girl I like! (actually isn't)", which is significantly lamer and more retarded.

Not to mention it takes yet another thing that was just between Susie and Kris and retroactively shoehorns Noelle into it. Even their negative relationship isn't safe from being co-opted.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

You know now that I think about it the "Susie was only bullying Kris because she thought he was dating Noelle" retcon might be the dumbest fucking thing in the game.

What possible indication would there be that Noelle and Kris were dating? It's established in chapter 1 that they haven't hung out since they were children and that Kris saying more than 2 sentences to her in one sitting is noticeably abnormal. They barely interacted and everything that Noelle did to be "nice" to Kris was just stuff she did for everyone like handing out pencils or trying to help with schoolwork.

Why in god's name would Susie ever think they were dating, let alone bully Kris over it for months without ever realizing that it wasn't true?

Back before this the reason Susie bullied Kris was because Kris came from a loving home and Susie was jealous of that, it's why Susie constantly brought up Toriel when she bullied him. Now not only are those implications completely dropped, but Susie is now also significantly dumber and more petty in her reasoning for bullying Kris than before for literally no reason.

Not to mention it takes yet another thing that was just between Susie and Kris and retroactively shoehorns Noelle into it. Even their negative relationship isn't safe.

IMO that bullshit line is yet more proof of timeline theory.
If Susie is a Gaster Golem, it's possible that she's the original timeline Susie and just doesn't even know she's in a different world at all where she's taking Kris' role when the story starts because she's an outsider who people are scared of.
In her original world, she probably would've seen Kris and Noelle being exceptionally close as they are shown to be in Shadow Crystals.

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

I really fucking hope that if Timeline Theory ends up being true, the Weird Route allows Kris and Noelle to watch what their lives should've been from outside of the boundaries of the world. I want to see Noelle's crashout get even worse, and hear her true thoughts on Susie when she's outside of the boundary of the prophecy.
There's so much potential in this story, Tricky Tony.
Don't kill it for yurislop, please.

Would be especially kino if Noelle outright says that she doesn't even like girls.

 

[my penis is on fire]

Would be especially kino if Noelle outright says that she doesn't even like girls.

Barely three days later and we're already back to wishcasting that Toby is a secret chud who hates le delta western fan

 

[Smack Patrick]

Would be especially kino if Noelle outright says that she doesn't even like girls.

>"Kris I am so glad you are biological male and can knock me; a biological female; up with cute deer/human hybrid babies so I can be a stay at home mother."
What the fuck did Toby mean by this?

Barely three days later and we're already back to wishcasting that Toby is a secret chud who hates le delta western fan

I can't help it, the chapter was ass. Even though I do have Flower Man on loop in the background right now.

 

[GratsTheat783]

I'm honestly wondering if the game he was talking about was YIIK.

I really don't see the similarities with Omori, it's like an entirely different game if you have played it. It's a very basic plot with a very obvious twist.

Spoiler: YIIK sperging

I think the original YIIK's supposed to have an unreliable narrator who tries to retell events in a manner to make himself look as flattering as possible, but fails due to having a big ego and no self-awareness. He never actually addresses his faults, at best addressing surface level things that he's comfortable with.

I didn't get YIIK IV that much, but an explanation I read of it on /v/ is that all the characters are trapped in a looping Dream Machine where everything is centred around Alex; whenever he enters a scene, other characters are compelled to act according to a script. Each retelling is slightly deviated from the last one and it's gone on for such a long time that everything's completely different from what it once was. The eventual end goal is for Alex YIIK to realize what a bad person he is and kill himself so the Essentia, who he shares a soul with, can have complete ownership of their soul.

The theory that Susie is usurping Kris' position does have some similarities to YIIK, instead of resolving the issues she has so she can live the life she wants, she instead commits timeline fuckery to take someone else's position and force him out completely while getting the rewards he would have otherwise gotten without ever having to improve herself. Other similarities include being stuck in some sort of simulation (CH 5 Snowgrave route implied this) and an unavoidable world-ending catastrophe incoming.

It's probably cope though, Toby could add a full naked lesbian sex scene to the next chapter with a giant progress flag plastered on the wall and there'd still be people saying "just one more chapter, trust the dog."

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

Barely three days later and we're already back to wishcasting that Toby is a secret chud who hates le delta western fan

I mean, if Toby truly wants to subvert everyone's expectations that would be the single greatest way to do it.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

I do have Flower Man on loop in the background right now

TEN FOOT TWENTY THE FLOWER MAAAAAAAAN

Barely three days later and we're already back to wishcasting that Toby is a secret chud who hates le delta western fan

One of these days I'll successfully summon a genie that makes this wish come true.