Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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Trying to no-hit Mew Mew has made the song and the character grown on me. It's probably the most interesting part of the chapter for me.
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It's also really fucking hard.
I did the secret boss before the final one in this chapter. Mew Mew took a lot of items from me, but I managed to beat her on my first try. Flowery on the other hand, despite me restocking, took me like 4 tries to figure out the best way to deal with his attack patterns. So is the opitonal boss easier than the real boss, or was it just me? They are definitely easier than the Knight and Gerson, that's for sure. I'd argue that Flowery is a bit harder than the Titan, who had some nasty attacks, from what I remember.
 
Could someone explain the whole "Ralsei is actually a girl" shit? Sounds like absolute nonsense to me.
Clearly Kris was always meant to be the Prince from the Dark and as a result the prophecy is mindraping Ralsei into trooning out for stealing his role.
Fear the almighty prophecy that makes people lesbians and trannies for trying to fight fate.
 
1) Theory on the secret bosses I saw and freedom

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There were these mantis ladies and a bow-wielding variant of the Terekota enemy on the second floor of the diner in the castle at the very end of the chapter. I wonder if they were cut enemies.
Yep, the Mantises and the bow/arrow enemy were cut just like the Pippins
Dunno if anyone has posted this, just found the final Starwalker

But did you find the Tropical Starwalker
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Interesting thing.

Its implied Flowery based some of his traits on Asgore's real college roommate, Rudy.

The Knight and Flowery share a lot of poses.

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More evidence why I believe Rudy is the knight after chapter 5. I think a lot of people overlook what's going on in the Weird Route with Rudy. Only him and Sans are in town and for season reason, he is still putting up lights despite the festival being over. His model looks like he's breathing heavy and winded.
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I really think he was stalling, waiting for Kris to open the dark fountain. I do believe his fall was real, probably happened right after this.

I had to question myself, why did the Roaring Knight show up late AGAIN? And the big question. Why didn't the Roaring Knight start a fight? Why did it grab Asgore and run? It knows that it can beat the Fun Gang, and if things get bad, Kris is on its side. Why run? It's cause it's injured from the fall and just needs to get in and out before it's overwhelmed, maybe before the ability runs out.
 
Felt like a creative exercise would be entertaining.
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Somehow, in some way, that one image really put something into context for me. Deltarune, as we all know, is heavily inspired by Earthbound. If we're to say that Kris is a stand in for Ness as a protagonist, and Noelle is a stand in for Paula (with Birdley presumably being a stand-in for Jeff), it wouldn't make sense for Susie to be a comparable character to Poo, since their personalities are very different.

But you know whose personality matches Susie's? Porky. Who is Gigyas' right hand man? Porky. Maybe a nothing burger, but an interesting comparison.

Call me a [WING-DING$] but I am holding out hope that [the P00ch] Tony can successfully subvert our expectations and flip the script on us.
 
Could someone explain the whole "Ralsei is actually a girl" shit? Sounds like absolute nonsense to me.
1) In castletown, doing the climbing minigame has Rulezkard come out of the Curtain with Ralsei in a dress.

2)Flowery constantly calling him and Susie Princess to insult them

3)The cutscene where Flowery is asking If Ralsei wants the Pink and Blue Kris Coupon or the Susie colored one. He wants the Tranny colored one of course. Ignore the fact that he's choosing the Kris colored coupon.
 
Somehow, in some way, that one image really put something into context for me. Deltarune, as we all know, is heavily inspired by Earthbound. If we're to say that Kris is a stand in for Ness as a protagonist, and Noelle is a stand in for Paula (with Birdley presumably being a stand-in for Jeff), it wouldn't make sense for Susie to be a comparable character to Poo, since their personalities are very different.

But you know whose personality matches Susie's? Porky. Who is Gigyas' right hand man? Porky. Maybe a nothing burger, but an interesting comparison.

Call me a [WING-DING$] but I am holding out hope that [the P00ch] Tony can successfully subvert our expectations and flip the script on us.
Funny you mention Porky, considering his battle theme.
It starts out like a normal track for a while, and then switches into using Metal Instruments, almost as if the music is dropping an act.
Speaking of Vs. Susie, it for some reason has fucking Leitmotifs from Your Best Nightmare in it. (The part where Omega Flowey descends from the top of the screen sounds like the background chord of Vs. Susie. (23 seconds in))
edit: here's Your Best Nightmare:
THIS BITCH IS FUCKING WITH US.
 
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Another thing I dislike about ch5 is how it ditches From Now On in favor of yet another Rude Buster remix.


It was one of my favorite tracks in the game too. *sigh*
 
Berdly is the sort of guy to immediately run home and grab his Gameshark to bring to the Dark World the moment shit gets explained to him in any sort of clarity.
We don't see him use it, but that scouter he wears isn't for reading our power levels, it actually contains the action replay he brings everywhere incase he ever needs it.
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Funny you mention Porky, considering his battle theme.
It starts out like a normal track for a while, and then switches into using Metal Instruments, almost as if the music is dropping an act.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tMCXMg8p9schttps://youtube.com/watch?v=cGuDpoJNImASpeaking of Vs. Susie, it for some reason has fucking Leitmotifs from Your Best Nightmare in it. (The part where Omega Flowey descends from the top of the screen sounds like the background chord of Vs. Susie. (23 seconds in))
edit: here's Your Best Nightmare:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SObWQRaltugTHIS BITCH IS FUCKING WITH US.
To add to them both having metal music in their songs, Porky has abusive parents, is intensely jealous of Ness having friends to the point he makes a deal with the space devil, and perhaps the most telling of all...

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Both have haircuts that naturally cover their eyes.
This whole time, Susie was just female dinosaur Porky.
 
To add to them both having metal music in their songs, Porky has abusive parents, is intensely jealous of Ness having friends to the point he makes a deal with the space devil, and perhaps the most telling of all...

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Both have haircuts that naturally cover their eyes.
This whole time, Susie was just female dinosaur Porky.
If Susie ever has a scene where she's begging to still be friends with Kris and he's just completely silent out of our control, I might consider forgiving Toby Fucks.
 
We don't see him use it, but that scouter he wears isn't for reading our power levels, it actually contains the action replay he brings everywhere incase he ever needs it.
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>uses the Action Replay Darkner to cheat us through a segment
>sees the Knight
>"Ayo Kris, watch this."
>walks up to the Knight
>"Prepare to get mollywopped Knight"
>pulls out Action Replay Darkner
>it's turned to stone
>"KRIS YOU IDIOT! WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT WAS GONNA FU-"
>swoon
 
Didn't Asgore say to Flowery that he was pretending to only like him while not actually being into what Flowery had to offer Asgore?
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I wonder what's that supposed to mean
Asgore mentions the seven flowers were meant to be a bouquet for Toriel, possibly as a proposal offering? I think it's likely Asgore and Toriel were dating in college, and Asgore mentions talking to his flowers and reading them stories. Flowery probably remembers all those happy memories Asgore shared with him during his college days, which is why Flowery models himself after a charming, preppy college student and tries to take Asgore on picnics, skateboarding, and going to the diner; it's even in the lyrics to Flower Man when you fight Flowery at the end: "Could I do something to make him laugh?"

Asgore probably realizes this on some level, but he's an adult now, and too preoccupied by his responsibilities and obsessions in the Light World. Notice how Asgore steers the conversation towards the Dark Fountain during the picnic scene; as soon as Asgore gets to the Flower Castle his demeanor totally changes. He goes right back into "adult mode" and starts frantically gathering his conspiracy notes in order. He puts on his armor and throws Kris and Susie out of the Dark World, probably because Asgore knows the Knight is coming and is preparing for battle. Only at the end when he sees Kris in danger does Asgore come to his senses and leave the Dark World of make-believe behind in order to focus on his family back in reality. Someone has to take care of his flowers, after all.

One thing did stand out to me during that ending scene: when you talk to Asgore just before you seal the fountain and ask about Ralsei, he says this:
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At first I thought it was just because Ralsei was wearing his hat again, but then I remembered this exchange from Chapter 4:
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And Ralsei definitely had his hat off for that chapter, so is there some unspecified quality about Ralsei that allows other Lightners to tell him apart as a Darkner? Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it could have implications for something going forward.
 
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