Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Escaped Abortion]

Edit: I forgot to add, since I've been holding onto all of my Shadow Crystals since Ch. 1, I've been using them in various places throughout the chapter, just to see what kind of results I get. Ch. 5 was pretty disappointing; most of the time I just got the response of "Doesn't seem very useful", however when I used it right at the beginning of Ch. 5, you get this dialogue:


What could this be alluding to? Is there a darker timeline where Toriel hooks up with Sans or something?

Maybe Kris looked into the Undertale reality and saw one of the fallen children with Undertale Toriel.


Or the Shadow Crystal is extra cruel and decided he also needed to view his mom post-dicking down.

 

[Super Guido]

Truly fascinating how any criticism about his chapter keeps it to the pacing, lack of plot development, lack of investment in the flowers. Meanwhile any praise of the chapter is just GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY.

You really can take a shit on a Deltatroon fan's plate if you just stick a pride flag on it.

If you criticize the gay shit, people just call you a homophobe even though the gay stuff isn't particularly well-written. If people weren't rabid about queerio shit, I'd absolutely talk more about how ridiculously the flowers were written to be some shade of queer. I don't even care about the Suselle stuff - the flower stuff actively annoyed me far more.

Next dipshit who tells me Seth's pronouns are 'they' is getting called a retarded child. At least if they were all 'it' pronouns, it'd make sense. They're fucking plants.

 

[Slumbie]

I wish we got to see some NEW NPCs for the festival. Bring back Muffet, let her run a stand especially frustrating when mad mew implies she got her soul-changing tonic from muffet to begin with. Have some out-of-towners come by. Show Kris's classmates' parents doing something!

Bug testing in this chapter sucked. They didn't check to see if the spider was in the game or not.

 

[Cun75p4rkl35]

Crack theory: What susie saw at the end of the real prophecy went something like "to save the two worlds, there is only one way, the girl and the dragon must be slain" Kris having to murder everyone out of jealousy (and I do now believe the fires of jealousy wasn't ever asgore but kris). It's alluded to that Kris will go on a rampage in the light world and has killed before even if it wasn't Dess.

 

[Super Guido]

Crack theory: What susie saw at the end of the real prophecy went something like "to save the two worlds, there is only one way, the girl and the dragon must be slain" Kris having to murder everyone out of jealousy (and I do now believe the fires of jealousy wasn't ever asgore but kris). It's alluded to that Kris will go on a rampage in the light world and has killed before even if it wasn't Dess.

With the way Toby's writing it, clearly the girl and the dragon must be shagging.

ETA: I accidentally a word

 

[VVilford Brimley]

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

What could this be alluding to? Is there a darker timeline where Toriel hooks up with Sans or something?

If it's the "Good" and "unfucked" timeline as the Shadow Crystal seems to show from its links to broken dreams, that "someone else" might just be Asgore.
Something has absolutely ruined everything for Kris, the Dreemurs and the Holidays.

 

[Super Guido]

If Toby had to include queer shit, he should have written Blue and Yellow to have a forbidden love on the basis that you can't cross-breed all plants. A vanilla orchid can't cross-breed with a narcissus plant, for example. The cowboy doesn't have to be retarded, but he could simply not reciprocate on the basis that neither of them gain anything from it. Maybe he's asexual and more interested in justice than being a gay cowboy.

That's too complex for Deltarune, though! All same-sex relationships must be reciprocated AND sappy.

 

[Cun75p4rkl35]

lmao there's some deltaslop in my youtube feed where some guy has to tell all the brainrotted zoomies and gen alphas about the DARK DAYS BEFORE MP3 and CD when there was Side B of a record or cassette tape

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Finally finished. I get why some of y'all are complaining about lack of answers, but overall I thought the chapter was good.

 

[Jay Jay]

Aqua would think it's a game and throw as much bricks as she can at trans people for fun
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And that's why Aqua is my favorite flower.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Finally finished. I get why some of y'all are complaining about lack of answers, but overall I thought the chapter was good.

The good, which does exist, is weighed down by the massive chunks of coal.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

The good, which does exist, is weighed down by the massive chunks of coal.

If Toby actually subverts the yurishit however in a following chapter and this was all meant as set-up to make the player feel like Kris, then he will have successfully crushed most of that coal into gem. Except the stain that is brokeback and blugger. And the fact that it was kind of a slog.
And my GOAT Berdly is rendered a non-character. And the lack of an Asgore cool moment.

 

[Retarded Weeb]

Maybe we can at least agree that even if this is some kind of 10D underwater backgammon move from Toby, he should’ve waited to release Chapters 5 and 6 together so the fanbase wouldn’t be left speculating for a year about how much of a hack he is or isn’t.

Judging by how Gaster tells you at the end of Chapter 4 that Deltarune is halfway complete, I think Toby was thinking of it like this: Chapters 1-4 are the first half of the game, so it's mostly escalating action until we get the Titan climax. Then Chapters 5-7 are the second half, so things fall down into a calm before the storm with Chapter 5 before things ramp back up with 6-7. That could technically work for a full game, but it really brings into question why Toby wanted to release Chapters 3-5 together and then 6 and 7, instead of doing 3 & 4 and then 5-7. If 3-5 were all released together then we'd get a weird hill-like experience where it climaxes 2/3 in before getting some filler and build-up to Act 3 of the story that won't be out for another couple years. And releasing 5 by itself is even worse, because giving players a break after Chapter 4 naturally guides everyone into expecting Chapter 5 to be further escalation.

Considering Susie smashed the most important part of the prophecy, it probably had something to do with her sacrificing herself or needing to die. Something that must happen that she does not want, in either case.

I'm not sure about that. Susie seems too casually self-destructive to me to think that her reaction would come just from finding out she herself dies. I feel like it's more likely she saw it was someone else who died or that one of the main cast killed another (like if it was her who died, it would have to say that Kris killed her).

What could this be alluding to? Is there a darker timeline where Toriel hooks up with Sans or something?

Random schizo theory that probably isn't true. Ralsei is a temporally displaced Dreemurr from another timeline where he's Asriel's biological younger brother instead of them adopting Kris. This is why he's a prince of the dark. It's like how Asgore said he and Toriel are king and queen so Kris is a prince, Asriel would be the prince of the light because he's their actual son in the Light World that exists, while Ralsei is the prince of the dark because he's an entity that doesn't exist in this timeline and is confined to the Dark World. That's why he has no real opinions or interests, and struggles to understand his own personality; because he was never born or lived a life where he would find those things out.

 

[Cun75p4rkl35]

Random schizo theory that probably isn't true. Ralsei is a temporally displaced Dreemurr from another timeline where he's Asriel's biological younger brother instead of them adopting Kris. This is why he's a prince of the dark. It's like how Asgore said he and Toriel are king and queen so Kris is a prince, Asriel would be the prince of the light because he's their actual son in the Light World that exists, while Ralsei is the prince of the dark because he's an entity that doesn't exist in this timeline and is confined to the Dark World. That's why he has no real opinions or interests, and struggles to understand his own personality; because he was never born or lived a life where he would find those things out.

Ralsei is aborted Togore fetus Toriel keeps in a jar theory

 

[Oilspill Battery]

>normie fans come out of the woodwork to say "not to be racist or homophobic but those LGBT+ African-Americans were really obnoxious"

I have not seen this anywhere I demand proof. I see people all over the thread saying that the normies are waking up to the yurislop and fag shit but I've seen it nowhere myself.

 

[Cucktry Roads]

Dunno if it has been mentioned yet, but the steam page got updated today saying they're aiming for a 2027 release for chapter 6

DELTARUNE on Steam

UNDERTALE's parallel story, DELTARUNE. Meet new and old characters in a tale that steps closer to its end, chapter by chapter. Dodge bullets in nonviolent RPG battles as you listen to funky, funky music. Try Chapter 1 and 2 for free... now!!! More chapters in development!!!

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[Oilspill Battery]

. 'There wasn't any plot progression in this chapter!'

You missed the point entirely, people complaining about the plot progression are pissed that the story has presented 19823798 mystery boxes and opened fucking zero of them. Asgore spending the whole chapter going "OOOOHH THAT HORRIBLE DAY - WHEN IT ALL HAPPENED - THAT INCIDENT" is complete bullshit when we're in the third act of the story and we're still missing basic shit like "what is the antagonist's motivation" and "what is the main character's motivation".

Okay, now that's done, let me talk about the festival and how it's absolutely packed with failed love stories. Asgore and Toriel as former Festival King and Queen, Burgerpants and his fake girlfriend, Asriel and Dess with the love letters in his drawer... There are so many red flags here it looks like a commie rally. And in the middle of all that, strolling around obliviously, are Susie and Noelle. Foreshadowing, motherfucker. It's very, VERY blatant.

This is great and all, but counterpoint, Toby has a yuri NTR fetish, he was literally abandoned when his girlfriend turned lesbian, and half his fans are tumblrites. Do you really think the guy that made 40% of the chapter a niggerfaggot couple talking about how much they love one another in front of your face is REALLY going to go "lol sike, the lesbian relationship was fake, susie need a man to straighten her out"? The same toby that had entire support sesh with the purple flower being non binary in the cafe with all the characters chiming ? That toby? The same toby that put ralsei in a dress and said he wanted to be a princess?

Do you genuinely in your heart of hearts believe that THAT guy is going to write THAT plot line? The same guy that caved to plot pressure and removed the rape flower from chapter 4 because the fans complained that much? That same guy?

But we're also gonna look like retards when the doomers are right.

Its not doomerism if its pattern recognition.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I will maintain a level of hope for my own sanity but I'm almost certain that CH6 will fail to live up to that hope and make me incredibly depressed.

 

[Dorothy]

I feel like chap 6 will be in the holiday house.