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The next Dark World has to take place in either the Holiday Manor or the Town Hall, and them shits have to have one ladder at the least. We can knock out Rudy and unmask him like it's a Scooby Doo mystery. Of course not after Susie takes Noelle 'up to the bedroom' while us and Kris re-enact Shaggy and Scooby running from some monstrous Christmas-derived entity in the basement.
From Vaguepost King to the Vaguepost Knight. I bet you Chapter 6 will be as transparent with the loar as a fogbank too. We'll have the wacky adventures of Holiday Manor meeting fun new characters like the Holidaylings who're actually fragments of Noelle and Kris's past relationship and then the ones for Dess's relationships are mysteriously broken or not present because we need to keep the vague agenda up. Carol will also vaguely call us on the phone during Chapter 6 asking how Noelle's doing or if the plan is going as planned.
I'm currently frying my brain over how the fuck a Holiday Manor dark world would even work. Does this world have Christmas? That would imply there's some sort of monster martyr or Jesus equivalent in the world, surely? What does that make Noelle and her family, if they're already practically walking Christmas ornaments?
I guess that email response about "the place where it snowed" "coming later" also kinda hints at a snow-themed area at some point, but I thought that was what Tenna's dark world was? Wait, he actually had a Christmas tree too-
Something I've noticed nobody talk about at all is Sans in the Weird Route and the Normal Route has a fucking major difference.
Normal Route Sans gives you a punchcard and then has Susie draw herself and her friends (So she draws you, herself and Noelle, who is there) and then Sans says he did it for absolutely no reason at all. But in the Weird route, Sans says he'll give you a discount for the Punchcard before it's even done (which Susie draws herself, Kris and Ralsei on) and then Sans this time gives you a loaf of crumbly bread, presumably to leave a trail. (I assume the Ralsei, Susie and Kris punchcard is the same one from Undertale)
What the fuck does this skeleton nigga know. Ten years and we still have no idea what this fucker's shtick is.
I'm currently frying my brain over how the fuck a Holiday Manor dark world would even work. Does this world have Christmas? That would imply there's some sort of monster martyr or Jesus equivalent in the world, surely? What does that make Noelle and her family, if they're already practically walking Christmas ornaments?
I guess that email response about "the place where it snowed" "coming later" also kinda hints at a snow-themed area at some point, but I thought that was what Tenna's dark world was? Wait, he actually had a Christmas tree too-
I'm going to assume it's Steven Universe-esque where the holidays still are in their respective places because Christmas and Halloween (All Saints Eve) are here, but whoever's the central figure of Deltarune's religion is vague or isn't as important as Jesus is to Christendom. That and it's likely Deltarune's time period is a relatively secular point so it'll most likely be running around an ice-themed secular-Christmas world. The church's dark world seemed like that'd be the most we get out of the world's spiritual affairs, and I doubt Carol for all her character is suddenly a Bible-thumper. Though then again characters in DR seem to suffer from sudden bouts of whiplash these days, so who knows.
Oh yeah I've been listening to the soundtrack for quite a bit, the only two tracks I really care about are Flower Man and Inappropriate Recycling (though it's just a mashup of past songs it's fun to listen to.)
I'm currently frying my brain over how the fuck a Holiday Manor dark world would even work. Does this world have Christmas? That would imply there's some sort of monster martyr or Jesus equivalent in the world, surely? What does that make Noelle and her family, if they're already practically walking Christmas ornaments?
I guess that email response about "the place where it snowed" "coming later" also kinda hints at a snow-themed area at some point, but I thought that was what Tenna's dark world was? Wait, he actually had a Christmas tree too-
Lancer directly mentions Christmas by name in Chapter 1, and the name "Kris" comes from "Christ". The latter could be an honest mistake, but Toby had to consciously write the former.
I'm currently frying my brain over how the fuck a Holiday Manor dark world would even work. Does this world have Christmas? That would imply there's some sort of monster martyr or Jesus equivalent in the world, surely? What does that make Noelle and her family, if they're already practically walking Christmas ornaments?
I guess that email response about "the place where it snowed" "coming later" also kinda hints at a snow-themed area at some point, but I thought that was what Tenna's dark world was? Wait, he actually had a Christmas tree too-
Probably, though it likely has something to do with the Angel in this world instead of Christ, given that the Prophecy seems to be the only established religion in Hometown.
Which is also kinda weird because a lot of people theorize that the soul AKA The Player is the angel
Something I've noticed nobody talk about at all is Sans in the Weird Route and the Normal Route has a fucking major difference.
Normal Route Sans gives you a punchcard and then has Susie draw herself and her friends (So she draws you, herself and Noelle, who is there) and then Sans says he did it for absolutely no reason at all. But in the Weird route, Sans says he'll give you a discount for the Punchcard before it's even done (which Susie draws herself, Kris and Ralsei on) and then Sans this time gives you a loaf of crumbly bread, presumably to leave a trail. (I assume the Ralsei, Susie and Kris punchcard is the same one from Undertale)
What the fuck does this skeleton nigga know. Ten years and we still have no idea what this fucker's shtick is.
The breacrumbs and the punchcards are two glitches from either Mother 1 or Earthbound (I forgot, it's been a long time). The breadcrumbs was explained earlier in the thread (you could warp/backtrack with them) but the punchcard is another interesting one. You can't die during a cutscene or when a dialog box is open in Mother 1, what you could do is to open the punchcard interface and you could use the small delay that happens between the moment you use the item and the moment the interface opens to move your character.
It's important because during the lake drowning scene, you are taking damage but, before each time you move, the interface box has to open to give you the PROCEED option and (taking into account the glitch I mentioned) you can't die when the interface is open, which is how they prevent the drowning.
I'm pretty sure someone can word it better than I did but those two items can be used for that purpose in the old games.
Alvin talks about Asriel trying to go to confession despite it not being a part of hometown's religion, i guess Jesus died for the sins of man, but not monster
From Vaguepost King to the Vaguepost Knight. I bet you Chapter 6 will be as transparent with the loar as a fogbank too. We'll have the wacky adventures of Holiday Manor meeting fun new characters like the Holidaylings who're actually fragments of Noelle and Kris's past relationship and then the ones for Dess's relationships are mysteriously broken or not present because we need to keep the vague agenda up. Carol will also vaguely call us on the phone during Chapter 6 asking how Noelle's doing or if the plan is going as planned.
Asgore - The King of Vaguepost
Carol - The Queen of Vaguepost
Ralsei - The Jack of Vaguepost
Knight - The Ace of Vaguepost
Sans - The Joker of Vaguepost
Together they are The Royal Vaguepost Flush. All truth will be guarded by their impenetrable wall of mystery and speculation-inducing intrigue.
More proof Ralsei knows about the weird route and that it's likely just as much part of the prophecy as the normal route... if you fuck up the drowning scene and abort the weird route, his intro is changed to him just being ecstatic that Kris is okay.
Oh god!
My schizo instincts are tingling, and now I'm going to go for the "new timeline" theory.
Where the shadow crystals allow Kris to see the prior timeline before Susie pulled some major bullshit, because think about it... Susie acts almost like a fucking fix-it fic self insert protagonist who steals the girl from the actual protagonist no matter how little sense it makes.
Tenna is also 100% meant to die but Susie could fix him, Jackenstein too.
Then there's shit like:
For some strange reason, for a brief moment, it looked like...
Everyone else disappeared...
... and you saw Noelle smiling at you, with arms full of flowers.
and You thought you saw Noelle close against you, whispering
For Noelle
and You thought you saw Susie glaring at you, coldly...
or You thought you saw Susie in a far-off window, unkempt and glaring.
For Susie
This is all to say, Susie is either responsible or a symptom of somebody altering the timeline in order to change the past and future that Kris was meant to have, a lost dream indeed. This purple dinosaur cunt self-inserted herself into KRIS' life to REPLACE him, and the prophecy, which is noted as being unchangeable even in the shadow crystal is fucked up and is forcing Noelle to now feel things for Susie, instead of Kris. (Where the world is confused and there are still moments of perfect synchronicity for Noelle and Kris like the compatibility tester, yet when Susie does it with her, she needs to force things all by herself.) Now, this could be schizobabble, you could even call it cope, but if Toby pulls this off and makes Susie the actual villain I will laugh for a solid ten minutes straight.
Flay this purple dinosaur nigger. She's one of those fucking Goners. I know it, I just can't prove it.
Simply put, this game is plagued by a creator without a strong creative vision and surrounded by a team of weirdos and trannies who don't care about his vague-ass vision. This lore of this game is so frustrating because it's clearly extremely surface level. The trannies don't care about the lore and backstory and Toby doesn't have some master lore plan either.
This was made EXCEEDINGLY clear in the complete tonal change and total disregard for the seriousness of Chapter 4 being completely ignored at the beginning of Chapter 5. I'm honestly shocked how carefree the entire festival sequence is. I thought it would be an anxious, looking for clues sort of section where Susie can't have fun with Noelle and they get into an awkward mood.
Toby Fox is clearly a Scott Cawthon-esque developer - he makes the fucking story up as he goes. Fan service is key, and the fandom dictates the lore. It's sad really. I thought Chapter 4 was really turning things around. This game clearly cannot be made to any high standard in one year.
It'd be the perfect way to include the song Vs. Susie again.
Also something else I just found out is that Susie's theme at the start of the game is called S_neo in the files. Susie Neo? Susie after claiming the forsaken dream of somebody else and taking it for herself?
Oh my god, I'm schizoing.
Fuck.
Oh god!
My schizo instincts are tingling, and now I'm going to go for the "new timeline" theory.
Where the shadow crystals allow Kris to see the prior timeline before Susie pulled some major bullshit, because think about it... Susie acts almost like a fucking fix-it fic self insert protagonist who steals the girl from the actual protagonist no matter how little sense it makes.
Tenna is also 100% meant to die but Susie could fix him, Jackenstein too.
Then there's shit like:
For some strange reason, for a brief moment, it looked like...
Everyone else disappeared...
... and you saw Noelle smiling at you, with arms full of flowers.
and You thought you saw Noelle close against you, whispering
For Noelle
and You thought you saw Susie glaring at you, coldly...
or You thought you saw Susie in a far-off window, unkempt and glaring.
For Susie
This is all to say, Susie is either responsible or a symptom of somebody altering the timeline in order to change the past and future that Kris was meant to have, a lost dream indeed. This purple dinosaur cunt self-inserted herself into KRIS' life to REPLACE him, and the prophecy, which is noted as being unchangeable even in the shadow crystal is fucked up and is forcing Noelle to now feel things for Susie, instead of Kris. (Where the world is confused and there are still moments of perfect synchronicity for Noelle and Kris like the compatibility tester, yet when Susie does it with her, she needs to force things all by herself.) Now, this could be schizobabble, you could even call it cope, but if Toby pulls this off and makes Susie the actual villain I will laugh for a solid ten minutes straight.
Flay this purple dinosaur nigger. She's one of those fucking Goners. I know it, I just can't prove it.
Susie is a dragon, Noelle is a princess, Kris is a knight. Maybe the next chapter will be Susie dragging Noelle around, growing ever more unhinged, while we have to pursue and stop her, rescuing Noelle?
Crazy theories aside, look at this insanity. The hammer game is, as stated by Noelle, a game to determine how strong is the bond between two people. Noelle x Susie leads to Susie cheating to get a score, because they can't do it properly. Susie x Kris leads to them beating each other with hammers. Kris x Noelle will ALWAYS score a point, no matter if you wait ten seconds, or just hit as soon as you're allowed to, Noelle will always hit at the same time as you.
Why does he keep doing this???!??!?!?! TOBY-SENSEI, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS?!? CAN'T YOU STOP BEING VAGUE FOR FIVE SECONDS, YOU TWAT! IS KRISELLE REAL????? If only Dojima's Dragon was here, he would know what to do.
is going as planned.
