Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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I think the running consensus is that, some way or another, the knight remains the knight in the light world, since the black shard from its sword stays a black shard in the light world.
The knight could very well be covered in a giant shadow crystal cocoon for all we know. The SCs seem to have a really strange relationship with the boundary between worlds anyway. Looking through one in the dark world reveals a glimpse of the real world wherever the fountain is set up and they stay the same even when you take them back to the real world, appearing as a piece of black glass.

Which also explains why the twisted sword, a blade literally made of shadow crystals, and the Knight's sword are the only weapons that can outright kill darkeners. You're literally cutting through the delusion with reality.
 
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This is something I've been thinking about at some point, but I don't think it would be because of Noelle "being only a love interest" (she still plays a role in the story) moreso because Suselle would be a story about a girl falling head over heels for the "bad boy" bully because of his looks or something along those lines while barely interacting with him. And don't forget she had fantasies of Susie pushing her and laughing at her while blushing all over the place when telling it to Kris.

"A masochistic girl being into a bully while barely interacting with him and not seeing much of his character just because he looks hot? PATRIARCHY!"
That's what I've been saying, if either character's genders were swapped they'd be complaining. It literally only gets a pass if it's a fag couple.
>If Susie was a man they'd be complaining about how Noelle's only character trait outside of WR is lusting after him
>If Noelle was a guy they'd be complaining about how creepy it is that Noelle is creepily lusting after a girl he barely even knows

Faggots are some of the most biased people in this regard.
 
What if Noelle betrays Kris after she joins the gang and fucks him over in some way so she can "keep" Susie now that she has her, revealing the crazier personality that was up until that point hidden away by her outside of the WR? Because her dialogue in the WR reveals that she feels this way even in the Normal route, she just feels trapped with "being Noelle" in that one so she never lets the mask slip.

Too compelling I know, but hear me out
 
Could be wrong, but I'm surprised that nobody posted this after you give Sean the shadow crystal from ch4. Guess everyone got too distracted by the raging faggotry of ch5.
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It could imply a connection between Sean and Gaster, or it could just be more Undertale nostalgiabating.
 
Noelle would 100% be the abusive one btw
She acts possessive and deranged anytime someone wants to take Susie away, it's really creepy
Hilariously the Weird Route kind of confirms the idea that she's unstable and waiting to crack (And not in the tranny way.) I could 100% see her becoming a psycho bitch as an adult who poorly tries to hide how malicious she is with her retarded "Innocent girl" schtick. If she isn't ballsy enough to physically abuse you she'd 100% be emotionally abusive and manipulative.
 
1782499202089672.png Uh? What's that Susie? You want to BUILD a ROOM for my childhood friend Noelle? And you want ME to do It? Wait, you want to JOIN her room to YOURS? So you can have MIND-BLOWING LESBIAN SEX every single night? Yikes, Susie, that's...what's that? You want me to WATCH? I NEED to be there every single night so I can Fetch you WATER? I HAVE to sit in the corner like a good KEK eating MOSS while you eat my childhood bestie's deer pussy? Wait, you want me to RECORD It too?? I have to put my DRUNK SLUT MOTHER on silence so I can record you with my shitty Android phone she bought me after buying and iPhone to Asriel??? And I can WATCH them and let my ELDRITCH HORROR FROM THE GREAT BEYOND HEART force me to JERK OFF my dick to them when I'm ALONE in my room after helping the ROARING KNIGHT kidnap my DEADBEAT LOSER DAD?? Susie...I say PROCEED! YABBA DABBA DOO!
 
what if the flowers would've just been recolors of lightners and the chapter would've revolved around how the asgore perception of his family, friends, etc and the expectations he had of them if and when he gets to reveal what the dark fountains are. with said flowers pushing him deep into the delusions of the dark world to "keep finding clues" as a way to cope for the disappearance of Dess in a safe place where everyone loves him.
I bet that this was the original plan, then it got changed at some point. Aqua is pretty clearly based on Kris' younger self, Flowery seems to be somewhat based on Asgore's distant memories of Rudy from college, and given the older sibling dynamic she has with Aqua and the fact that we know Asriel is a nerd, Seth was likely a stand-in for Asriel before Toby randomly decided to turn her into Female Berdly.
These three flowers that map to existing lightners are coincidentally the ones that Toby himself designed, the rest just being guest characters. It also could have worked since there were seven of them, so there could be one for each Dreemurr and Holiday family member minus Asgore.
 
TBH even Earthbound is mid if you don't play Mother first to get the context of how it's a tragedy, its main selling point is Giygas reveal being a "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING" moment
i always thought it was a fun time, not the best but certainly unique amongst RPGs speaking as someone who played it in the 2000s and not in the 2015-2020s where earthboundalikes are fucking everywhere
 
i always thought it was a fun time, not the best but certainly unique amongst RPGs speaking as someone who played it in the 2000s and not in the 2015-2020s where earthboundalikes are fucking everywhere
Same here. I liked reading about Earthbound more than playing it. Never really clicked with me. But Mother 3 did -- followed the translation effort from the first day until release.
 
Ver archivo adjunto 9196194Uh? What's that Susie? You want to BUILD a ROOM for my childhood friend Noelle? And you want ME to do It? Wait, you want to JOIN her room to YOURS? So you can have MIND-BLOWING LESBIAN SEX every single night? Yikes, Susie, that's...what's that? You want me to WATCH? I NEED to be there every single night so I can Fetch you WATER? I HAVE to sit in the corner like a good KEK eating MOSS while you eat my childhood bestie's deer pussy? Wait, you want me to RECORD It too?? I have to put my DRUNK SLUT MOTHER on silence so I can record you with my shitty Android phone she bought me after buying and iPhone to Asriel??? And I can WATCH them and let my ELDRITCH HORROR FROM THE GREAT BEYOND HEART force me to JERK OFF my dick to them when I'm ALONE in my room after helping the ROARING KNIGHT kidnap my DEADBEAT LOSER DAD?? Susie...I say PROCEED! YABBA DABBA DOO!
Unless Toby works his autistic little fingers to the bone to make 6 fix this shit the future is either this or Kris shooting up his school, take your pick.
 
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At the risk of sounding controversial, one of the highlights of this chapter was Green, she stole every scene she's in and is an incredibly endearing and adorable character.
1782504357214.png this is your fucking green, a fucking mute ripped straight from fiona and cake, it's the same fucking character, only painted green.
1782504430083.png This is basically the plot of UT and DR, this plus retarded refried memes like "Green, rev up those fryers haha!" 1782504492623.png
The game has (0), absolute zero original bones, no, the feather "gameplay" is not beautiful or good, it's the fucking 2D area's of Link's awakening with ALSO the feather, only even easier!
zero original jokes, zero original characters, mew mew has double personality like sakura from naruto, and she pulses like a fucking Metal Slug tank when under 30% health, and this is because this traits are ripped off from other media, like everything else.
Ask yourself, how many fucking times are you presented with the ingame text "You defeated Bullet pattern" everything is a fucking bullet pattern to be defeated, it's a game where jack shit makes sense that's what happens, so you basically have retarded touhou strapped on an earthbound clone strapped to route ending systems like in older persona and SMT games, before they interbred too hard and became SMASHED UND SLAMMED, strapped to variations of the same main theme from 67 years ago and some new songs, absolutely gorgeous, can't wait for the remaining other two chapters when most probably gender transition and death will happen, but nobody will be happy, like in the amazing digital troonery.
No controversy whatsoever, it's just surprising how people are eating nutra loaf without realizing it, remember that playing a game is better than not playing it, even if it's this shit.
 
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