Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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No. It's not anything anyone wanted if you ever payed attention to retarded fanbases. Noelle and Susie fans whom are likely lebos themselves wanted more subtlety. If you like any characters and ship them you'd want good writing with it. This is just plain retarded fetishism that consumes the plot. This is the jump the shark moment.
If they cared about good writing they wouldn't be shipping noelle with susie to begin with. I'm not even saying this as a joke/jab. There are some directions the story naturally pulls toward and some directions the story does not naturally pull toward based on established character actions, traits and history.

Outside fetishism there was zero reason to support susie and noelle to begin with because they had zero chemistry.
 
What do noelle fans have to be upset about, is this update not literally all they wanted?
Fuck it, here's a little palate cleanser as an example of what me and many others wanted.
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If they cared about good writing they wouldn't be shipping noelle with susie to begin with. I'm not even saying this as a joke/jab. There are some directions the story naturally pulls toward and some directions the story does not naturally pull toward based on established character actions, traits and history.

Outside fetishism there was zero reason to support susie and noelle to begin with because they had zero chemistry.
Gaster replaced Noelle with Susie
Gaster is Toby's stand in
This whole thing is him apologizing for Halloween hack and telling us all fanmods are dog shit

Something I just thought of, a lot of the more autistic fans hate kriselle because the weird route is "heteronormative" even they see Kris as a dude subconsciously instead of their theythem make believe like it's some third option or Kris could be a chick. A really masculine chick
 
Fuck it, here's a little palate cleanser as an example of what me and many others wanted.
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You'll take your insane Souelle lake suicide and you'll enjoy it.
As an unironic enjoyer of the childhood friend trope, shit sucks that the ONLY time Kris ever really shows he cares for Noelle is during the Weird Route when he's trying to stop you.

Gaster replaced Noelle with Susie
Gaster is Toby's stand in
At the end of all this, the final Gaster battle with have the Halloween Hack Megalovania start to play, and he'll hit Susie and Noelle with a "tl;dr eat shit, faggots" and hit them both with PSI BitchKill.
 
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I can't believe I gave tricky tony my money only for him to go and bamboozle me with chapter 5.

Did he like write down a few concepts and then leave the rest to some guest writer? Did he only start writing down chapter 5 like last year? It feels so jarring coming after chapter 4 and the writing isn't good to save it either. What a let down.
 
Something about the weird route that still intrigues me: the ARG clearly said "you only need to see her once and you'll move on". I dunno about you guys but to me that makes me feel like aborting in the lake is intended to be part of the weird route, and chapter 7 side B might even be a continuation of that aborted route and not the drowning end. I know the odds of this are rather slim but I don't think it's impossible.
 
As much as I dislike most of the Flower-Humans, I think Flowery would've killed it with some more development time. I liked that Ralsei had someone to butt heads with, both because him and Flowery are "not-quite-Asriels", and because he 100% knew this was coming due to the prophecy. He knew Asgore was going to bring his perfect flower man to life, and he knew it'd be a colossal pain in the ass to convince him to move the story along.

It's not like Flowery's motivations were completely wrong, either -- these were our first Darkners that were still living things in the Light World, so they existed in a weird limbo-like state where they're alive but motionless in the Light World and one-note caricatures that Asgore had applied to them in the Dark World. It could've been an interesting perspective to throw at the player, had it not been mentioned that the Flowers couldn't come to Castle Town because their Light World counterparts require constant maintenance, which... makes no sense, because their forms completely change when steeped in darkness, just like everything else...

Also having 7 of these unique beings introduced and fleshed out in the same chapter was a Herculean task that was never going to work, and it's kind of annoying that Flowery suffered the most for it. I'm not even considering the fucking mouse as a character, and the chef's an obstacle at best.

The OST doesn't have very many hits this time around, but I'm getting a little bit tired of the leimotifs. I get it, it's the Undertale chapter. It's all about Undertale. There's flowers and Asgore is relevant and woo it's Mad Mew Mew from Undertale!! I'll at least give Flower Man (Flowery's boss theme) some points, because it's supposed to be cheesy, and the drop syncs up really well with a lot of moments in the fight.
 
So Toby Fox has this cool fever dream of a game ending and decides it has to be 7 chapters long (for whatever reason), but he can't be bothered to make an actual video game.

So he pumps out filler in the form of seasonal fandumb bait, with the only plot developments being dripfed inconclusive cliffhangers at the end of each chapter to sloppily set up the dream ending right at the end.

Deltarune could have been 4 chapters long and finished by the time chapter 2 came out. But Toby wanted shekels and his own Homestuck.
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I can't believe I gave tricky tony my money only for him to go and bamboozle me with chapter 5.

Did he like write down a few concepts and then leave the rest to some guest writer? Did he only start writing down chapter 5 like last year? It feels so jarring coming after chapter 4 and the writing isn't good to save it either. What a let down.
The only way I could remotely forgive this is if it ends up being a "this is why you don't play with peoples' lives" thing, and even then, only for the weird route
 
So ferris wheel ride with Noelle is apparently real, "forced" my ass. I don't know why he insists on throwing a bone just this once. Maybe he rewrote the chapter out of spite and forgot to clean up one of events.
 

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So ferris wheel ride with Noelle is apparently real, "forced" my ass. I don't know why he insists on throwing a bone just this once. Maybe he rewrote the chapter out of spite and forgot to clean up one of events.
FUCK.
NOW I'M EVEN FUCKING ANGRIER
TRICKY TONY YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
Why. What leads a man to do this? What causes a man to throw away everything for his yuricuck ntr fetish?
Poor Kris.
 
No. It's not anything anyone wanted if you ever payed attention to retarded fanbases. Noelle and Susie fans whom are likely lebos themselves wanted more subtlety.
Maybe actual lesbians, but I can assure you with complete and total confidence that most yurifags and fujos do not give a flying fuck about good writing; they just like tropes.
 
I think in hindsight, helping the Knight destroy the world is the most understandable thing done by any character, maybe ever.
Imagine if you were aware of a prophecy and it said "You will get cucked by your tomboy classmate you have a crush on and your childhood friend you have feelings for together, and there is literally nothing you can do to stop it. Also your life just generally fucking sucks."
I'd probably try to lock in and destroy the world, too.
 
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