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Hundreds of academics at top UK universities accused of bullying

Senior professors among 300 people alleged to have bullied students and colleagues

Hannah Devlin and Sarah Marsh

Fri 28 Sep 2018 17.30 BSTLast modified on Sat 29 Sep 2018

Hundreds of academics have been accused of bullying students and colleagues in the past five years, prompting concerns that a culture of harassment and intimidation is thriving in Britain’s leading universities.

A Guardian investigation found nearly 300 academics, including senior professors and laboratory directors, were accused of bullying students and colleagues.

Dozens of current and former academics spoke of aggressive behaviour, extreme pressure to deliver results, career sabotage and HR managers appearing more concerned about avoiding negative publicity than protecting staff.

In response, Prof Venki Ramakrishnan, the president of the Royal Society, called for an overhaul of workplace practices, saying bullying had become ingrained in the culture of too many academic institutions.

“In science, like in many creative professions such as the film industry, there are huge power differentials,” he said, adding that intense competition and lack of oversight risked allowing bullying to go unchecked.

Other leading academics called for an end to the culture of secrecy around the issue.

Prof Athene Donald, a distinguished physicist and the master of Churchill College, Cambridge, said: “I know of two instances where it is hard to think a cover-up is not going on.

“They’re at different universities, different situations. I’m really quite bothered about universities desperately trying to damp things down.”

The Guardian sent freedom of information requests to 135 universities. Responses revealed a total of 294 complaints against academics at 55 institutions. A further 30 universities reported 337 complaints against all staff – academic and non-academic. Across 105 universities, at least 184 staff have been disciplined and 32 dismissed for bullying since 2013.

Fourteen universities said they had used non-disclosure agreements to resolve bullying cases, with at least 27 staff signing confidentiality clauses in exchange for financial payouts.


Separately, more than 200 academics contacted the Guardian to share their experiences. Dozens were interviewed, with many giving accounts of behaviours that went well beyond robust academic discourse, professional rivalries or personality clashes.

One compared the management style of his boss, one of the country’s most eminent scientists, to that of Henry VIII. Staff were said to be subjected to “classic tyrannical” behaviour, with everyone’s motives treated with suspicion and everyone viewed as “someone else to be crushed”.

At another internationally renowned laboratory, the pressure was reportedly so extreme people were driven to falsify data rather than incur the wrath of the director.

A former researcher, who wished to remain anonymous, said: “Mostly this was just a survival strategy to survive meetings and didn’t make it into the literature, but not always.

“Some students were driven to attempt suicide as a result, others broke down and simply vanished from science.”

Donald said the level of dependence of PhD students and junior researchers on their group leader could leave them vulnerable. “You’re on very close terms with someone and if you don’t get on, it can get toxic,” she said. “It’s that long-term, close, unmediated relationship. There’s no escape.”

Prof Fiona Watt, the executive chairwoman of the Medical Research Council, called for an annual national audit of bullying incidents at universities and compulsory bullying and harassment training for academics, saying the problem is “widespread”. Too often, she said, incidents went under the radar because senior academics may “have an incentive to avoid negative publicity for their institution”.

Case study: confidence ‘stripped away bit by bit’
When Charlotte* took a job as a technician at a leading laboratory, her boss, a senior academic, was initially supportive. She was encouraged to switch to a part-time PhD programme to enhance her career prospects.


The grace period was short-lived, however, and she quickly became a target for bullying. “It’s like classic abuse,” she said. “You’re nice to people and then you turn around and they are really horrible.”

Research staff who had fallen out of favour would routinely be denigrated behind their backs, and her boss responded with explosive anger to scientific setbacks and made comments seemingly designed to humiliate.

“She’d ask the impossible and get really angry when you said no. Too much was never enough,” she said. “People would be in tears.”

A couple of colleagues reported their treatment to HR, but this did not resolve the situation. “We just had HR sitting in on lab meetings, it wasn’t taken seriously,” Charlotte said. The head of department was aware of the problem, but had an attitude of “just take it on the chin and get on with it”, she added.

On the same day as having her first paper accepted, her boss told her she was probably going to fail her PhD. “A colleague said ‘Congratulations on the paper’ and I just burst into tears,” Charlotte said.


She had a miscarriage at work and her boss had appeared to be sympathetic. But when, six months later, she became pregnant again, she was told: “Oh God, I can’t believe it, this is going to be really damaging for your project. I actually thought that miscarriage you had was a good thing,” she said.

After completing her PhD, Charlotte was keen to leave, but said her supervisor attempted to sabotage a move to a different department.

Following her interview, she learned her supervisor had been in touch with the leader of the team she hoped to join, to warn them personal problems might prevent her from working full-time. Charlotte said her husband was ill, but this had not interfered with her work until that point.

“Clearly, a conversation had been had saying ‘she has issues’,” she said. “I was fuming that she would basically try to sabotage my next career move on the grounds of concern.”

It was only once she left the lab, Charlotte said, that she recovered her confidence, which had been “stripped away bit by bit”.

* The scientist’s name has been changed

https://amp.theguardian.com/educati...ersities-accused-bullying-students-colleagues
 
Well, many jobs have even worse (and worsening) applicant-to-opening ratios. Think about trying to get into the NBA or becoming a movie star. The applicant in this case rationalizes the struggle because of the glory and attending payoff.

The academic on the other hand gets neither even if he gets a tenure track position because for every Einstein, Planck and Bohr, there are a thousand who will be forgotten once an undergrad departs the education system. Plus, even tenured professors bitch about their low pay.
It's a common misconception that the only thing you can do with a Ph.D is become a professor. While that's certainly true in fields with little to no commercial or industrial value (hello gender studies), science-based research degrees are critical for any large corporation like Siemens or Intel. Plus, the national/military laboratories always need people to perform basic research, and they only draw from the best and brightest of the country. Thanks to a number of factors, there's a massive shortage of US citizens with Ph.D's in some sort of engineering or proper science. This has had a terrible effect on the US' national security and economic position. The foreign students and Ph.D's (especially those from China) have no loyalty to the US and have a nasty habit of stealing trade secrets and sending them back to their home countries. Frankly speaking, it's tragic that the US doesn't provide enough incentives and funding to encourage its own people to become scientists.
 
Thanks to a number of factors, there's a massive shortage of US citizens with Ph.D's in some sort of engineering or proper science. This has had a terrible effect on the US' national security and economic position. The foreign students and Ph.D's (especially those from China) have no loyalty to the US and have a nasty habit of stealing trade secrets and sending them back to their home countries. Frankly speaking, it's tragic that the US doesn't provide enough incentives and funding to encourage its own people to become scientists.
The reasons are the same for not hiring Americans to do unskilled labor, namely they're cheap as fuck.

I am aware that there are plenty of job opportunities for PhDs. What I'm upset about is that highly experienced BS level scientists are kept under a glass ceiling because the market has to accommodate all these jobless PhDs. Though maybe that's just a bio and chem thing because what I hear from engineers and computer scientists is that a PhD in their field meant they weren't able to find work after undergrad.
 
Of course, there are some like Bootleg Girl who troon themselves out of a tenure-track career.
 
This reminds me of the Linux thing.

Academics are supposed to be people that get upset about bad facts and data. Now any harsh criticism is bullying, no matter how benign.

Of course, there probably is bullying. Power dynamics and fights over funding do that. Heck, cracking down on bullying will probably be used as a way to bully people.

It's a common misconception that the only thing you can do with a Ph.D is become a professor. While that's certainly true in fields with little to no commercial or industrial value (hello gender studies), science-based research degrees are critical for any large corporation like Siemens or Intel. Plus, the national/military laboratories always need people to perform basic research, and they only draw from the best and brightest of the country. Thanks to a number of factors, there's a massive shortage of US citizens with Ph.D's in some sort of engineering or proper science. This has had a terrible effect on the US' national security and economic position. The foreign students and Ph.D's (especially those from China) have no loyalty to the US and have a nasty habit of stealing trade secrets and sending them back to their home countries. Frankly speaking, it's tragic that the US doesn't provide enough incentives and funding to encourage its own people to become scientists.

Why become a scientist when you can become business major that buys their work?
 
Insert joke about academics being so vicious because the stakes are just that low.... (HERE)
 
Oh my, so many opinions but most of them based on what others said or read on whatever site.

Let me sum it up really quickly, you have two types of academics, the ones that makes research and the fags. The academia ones are the researchers doing the heavy lifting, making articles, attending conferences, you name it. Then we have the fags, the old cunts that have a good position because their family have been "donating" to the institution wherever they are and they can do whatever the shit they want because they basically keep the place funded.

While most universities has the first type of researchers, the second type are mostly on the big ones, the very expensive universities that are almost always at the top of most international lists. Naturally, most people would love to enroll on those big universities and get their degree from it, thing is, you can only get there either because you are rich and influential OR because you are really skillful, if it's the later you are going to have a really bad time and that's what might have triggered this "bully" shit going on.

I agree there's some bullying going on but not at the level they are portraying, especially in Europe, where asking a minority to do even the bare minimum is considered an actual crime. Most of this bullying cases are just people who complain too fucking much or simply find it easier to blame others because they can't do something. This actually happened not long ago, a top medic decided to snitch his good for nothing collegues and of course, those fags decided to use the racism card to get him fired because how dare he bully them by asking them to work, top medic decided to file a lawsuit and he actually won because they found out the fags that accused him of racism were super fucking shitty, thing is, those fags didn't got disciplined or anything and they continue to work like if nothing happened because that's how scared Europe is of offending anyone.

Anyway, most students nowadays I can confirm are shit, they want everything easy and they expect that PhD is going to be a highschool 2.0 electricboogaloo, but when they realise it's more like an actual job, with deadlines, a boss and stress up the butt, that's when things get bad. Like it or not, PhD is supposed to be the highest peak for a student but the starting line for a job, so of course it's going to be rough and it has to be hard, because otherwise we'd have stupid PhD degrees with no real value, a piece of paper that anyone can have that will ultimately make the degree a useless paper but a great tool to profit from lazy cunts that didn't want to get a regular PhD from a reputable university. I mean, it's not like that is currently happening or anything, like why would you work your ass off getting a psychology degree from a reputable centre spending lots of time and effort into your studies, when you can get a gender studies degree to contradict everything already stablished just because you don't like it, while showing off your PhD from god knows what basement while being seriously in debt, that never happens nor will happen, right?


The real problem is not bullying on academia, but people being too damn lazy to work, get offended super easily and a very fucked up political correctness bullshit going on, giving ass pats to people who can't even with their degree.
If some fucking researchers are pussy enough to file a lawsuit because someone made a joke in an elevator, and other academias are more interested in fucking around with lawsuits because gender studies are purposely pushing misandry, then what the fuck can we expect from youngsters trying to get a degree?

Well, not everything is lost, to be honest, most of this stupid bullshit happens in just certain faculties and most of this bullying claims are ignored because they are just dumb shit some students come up with and I'm grateful for it. I just hope this fad doesn't gain any traction because if this stupid shit starts hitting places like engineering or medicine, who knows what kind of shit might happen, maybe some top cancer researcher will have to quit her job because a bunch of pussy fags didn't felt like working for her and instead just ask for her removal, I mean, it's just cancer research and we obviously rather have a couple of people happy and take their word for granted rather than having to ask for evidence and risk being branded racists.
 
Anyway, most students nowadays I can confirm are shit, they want everything easy and they expect that PhD is going to be a highschool 2.0 electricboogaloo, but when they realise it's more like an actual job, with deadlines, a boss and stress up the butt, that's when things get bad
Lol screen your grad students better. That's what the interview is for
 
Lol screen your grad students better. That's what the interview is for
Sadly I do not have the final say on who gets in, even if I say they are not adequate at all, the university will still give them a chance because in some cases the profit is preferable over quality. This is not the case everywhere but I do can tell you it is a pretty wide spread practice nowadays, why do you think most places keep making the entry exams and the requirements to enrol easier?. Degrees are becoming more a trap to suck people into debt rather than a good opportunity to learn. Again, I'm not saying all the universities are the same and that every single thing is shit but this is a trend that is happening in lots of places and I don't see it going anywhere any time soon because some people profit from it and others are happy to buy useless degrees.

But anyway, the bullying in academia is no worst than the bullying in any other place, only difference is that right now they are making a fuzz of it because lately there has been some nasty changes in terms of education that is allowing people to fuck with others and go completely unharmed. This is the kind of shit that happens when it's more about politics instead of science.
 
Sadly I do not have the final say on who gets in, even if I say they are not adequate at all, the university will still give them a chance because in some cases the profit is preferable over quality. This is not the case everywhere but I do can tell you it is a pretty wide spread practice nowadays, why do you think most places keep making the entry exams and the requirements to enrol easier?. Degrees are becoming more a trap to suck people into debt rather than a good opportunity to learn. Again, I'm not saying all the universities are the same and that every single thing is shit but this is a trend that is happening in lots of places and I don't see it going anywhere any time soon because some people profit from it and others are happy to buy useless degrees.

But anyway, the bullying in academia is no worst than the bullying in any other place, only difference is that right now they are making a fuzz of it because lately there has been some nasty changes in terms of education that is allowing people to fuck with others and go completely unharmed. This is the kind of shit that happens when it's more about politics instead of science.
Sucks your university sucks. Most real universities have standards for their PhD students and are competitive for entrance with students needing to find a lab to work in. Maybe you're just in some shithole with garbage standards.
 
I am kind of torn. On one hand, it isn't so much as bullying as outright abuse. I have heard of students not being able to graduate because their mentors want them to run the lab or teach new students for them. I have also heard of mentors that were very abusive and favored shaming in front of other students to get work done, which leads to extraordinarily low morale in labs. There are also aloof mentors who basically don't guide their students and expect magic to happen. Sink or swim mentors can make or break you, depending on how good they are. This is especially true if they're deans because generally they don't have a lot of time for checking in and rely on total independence. This is both good and bad. Good because if you've got a dean backing you, people are less likely to fuck with your work (grad students can be incredibly petty bitches). It also gives you a lot of eexperience with troubleshooting and new methods, because no one is there to hold your hand. Also if you are in a Dean's lab as the ranking student (the oldest there in terms of years joined), you learn how to properly run a lab because the dean barely has time for that so it falls to the senior student. Talking to companies, maintaining inventory and making sure all projects have what they need from the cheapest vendors is actually kind of invaluable experience.

It can be bad because if they starts to dislike you or get frustrated with you or turn abusive, its a very easy route to getting booted. More than if you were just with a tenured or associate. It's also bad if you have little to no lab experience and are thrown to the wolves because the dean just doesn't have time to babysit new students.

Abuse is also more about internal politics than research goals about 80 to 90 percent of the time. A lot of the time the heat comes from professors without tenure because they are under enormous pressure to produce both papers and students. Again, this can be good and bad. Professors without tenure cannot afford to be aloof, so a lot of the time they will be right in the lab with you, helping you. On the other hand, the enormous pressure on them to produce typically falls under the old adage 'shit rolls downhill'. They might be uncomprimising, expecting 100% commitment no matter what else you have to do, which often includes teaching and classes.

Of course, this is all highly varied and generalities. Things can go in many different directions and largely depends on personality. Which is why investigating your potential mentor and lab is the number one thing I think that makes or breaks most PhD students. A surprising amount do not do any legwork, so these behaviors come out of left field. My recommendation to new PhD students is to ALWAYS ask around as to what a potential lab is like, speak with the goddamn students. Do rotations there, talk to them. Observe lab meetings (if there are any formal ones). Know who has tenure and who doesn't, because a lot of pressure will come from non-tenured ones, regardless, which is understandable. Know what they are working on because usually you will be given something the lab is currently doing or has done in the past. Typically you are given of selection of things they have going on. This includes asking and not demanding to work on something the lab isn't involved with. This isn't because labs are assholes about it, it's because budgets are tight and the more crossover there is, the easier it is to get everything you need. See how many publications they have and how many students they've graduated. See how many citations those publications have and what publications they are in.

Problem is nobody tells you these things, you have to know what you are getting into. It shocks me at how many students will blindly stumble into a lab their first week without doing the leg work and just sort of implode. And move from lab to lab before finally finding one after being screwed. There's also the tendency of grad students to act like battered wives and not leave labs where the mentor/mentee relationship doesn't fit.

The university I am going to won't take you unless they believe you can handle the work and you are approved by a committee. I don't know the washout rate, but I believe it is low. Most of the time it is just Masters students not going further. But still, bad legwork can really fuck you and give you a miserable fucking five or six years.
 
I think we all know who to call in a situation as dire as this.
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