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Turkey agreed Tuesday to lift its opposition to Sweden and Finland joining NATO, ending an impasse that had clouded a leaders' summit opening in Madrid amid Europe's worst security crisis in decades, triggered by the war in Ukraine.

After urgent top-level talks with leaders of the three countries, alliance Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that "we now have an agreement that paves the way for Finland and Sweden to join NATO." He called it "a historic decision."

Among its many shattering consequences, President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has prompted Sweden and Finland to abandon their long-held nonaligned status and apply to join NATO as protection against an increasingly aggressive and unpredictable Russia — which shares a long border with Finland. Under NATO treaties, an attack on any member would be considered an attack against all and trigger a military response by the entire alliance.

NATO operates by consensus, and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had threatened to block the Nordic pair, insisting they change their stance on Kurdish rebel groups that Turkey considers terrorists.

After weeks of diplomacy and hours of talks on Tuesday, Finnish President Sauli Niinistö said the three leaders had signed a joint agreement to break the logjam.

Turkey said it had "got what it wanted" including "full cooperation ... in the fight against" the rebel groups.

Stoltenberg said leaders of the 30-nation alliance will issue a formal invitation to the two countries to join on Wednesday. The decision has to be ratified by all individual nations, but he said he was "absolutely confident" Finland and Sweden would become members, something that could happen within months.

Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said the agreement was "good for Finland and Sweden. And it's good for NATO."

She said completing the process of membership should be done "the sooner the better."

"But there are 30 parliaments that need to approve this and you never know," Andersson told the Associated Press.

Turkey hailed Tuesday's agreement as a triumph, saying the Nordic nations had agreed to crack down on groups that Ankara deems national security threats, including the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, and its Syrian extension. It said they also agreed "not to impose embargo restrictions in the field of defense industry" on Turkey and to take "concrete steps on the extradition of terrorist criminals."

Turkey has demanded that Finland and Sweden extradite wanted individuals and lift arms restrictions imposed after Turkey's 2019 military incursion into northeast Syria.

Turkey, in turn, agreed "to support at the 2022 Madrid Summit the invitation of Finland and Sweden to become members of NATO."

Details of exactly what was agreed were unclear. Amineh Kakabaveh, an independent Swedish lawmaker of Kurdish origin whose support the government depends on for a majority in Parliament, said it was "worrisome that Sweden isn't revealing what promises it has given Erdogan."

Andersson dismissed suggestions Sweden and Finland had conceded too much.

Asked if the Swedish public will see the agreement as a concession on issues like extraditions of Kurdish militants regarded by Ankara as terrorists, Andersson said "they will see that this is good for the security of Sweden."

U.S. President Joe Biden congratulated the three nations on taking a "crucial step."

Amid speculation about a U.S. role in ending the deadlock, a senior administration official said Washington did not offer any concessions to Turkey to coax it to accept a deal. But the official said the U.S. played a crucial role in helping bring the two parties closer together, and Biden spoke with Erdogan Tuesday morning at the behest of Sweden and Finland to help encourage the talks.

The agreement came at the opening of a crucial summit, dominated by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that will set the course of the alliance for the coming years. The summit was kicking off with a leaders' dinner hosted by Spain's King Felipe VI at the 18th-century Royal Palace of Madrid.

Top of the agenda in meetings Wednesday and Thursday is strengthening defenses against Russia, and supporting Ukraine.

Moscow's invasion on Feb. 24 shook European security and brought shelling of cities and bloody ground battles back to the continent. NATO, which had begun to turn its focus to terrorism and other non-state threats, has had to confront an adversarial Russia once again.

Biden said NATO was "as united and galvanized as I think we have ever been."

A Russian missile strike Monday on a shopping mall in the central Ukrainian city of Kremenchuk was a grim reminder of the war's horrors. Some saw the timing, as Group of Seven leaders met in Germany and just ahead of the NATO gathering, as a message from Moscow.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is due to address NATO leaders by video on Wednesday, called the strike on the mall a "terrorist" act.

Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko traveled to Madrid to urge the alliance to provide his country with "whatever it takes" to stop the war.

"Wake up, guys. This is happening now. You are going to be next, this is going to be knocking on your door just in the blink of an eye," Klitschko told reporters at the summit venue.

Stoltenberg said the meeting would chart a blueprint for the alliance "in a more dangerous and unpredictable world" — and that meant "we have to invest more in our defense," Stoltenberg said. Just nine of NATO's 30 members meet the organization's target of spending 2% of gross domestic product on defense. Spain, which is hosting the summit, spends just half that.

Stoltenberg said Monday that NATO allies will agree at the summit to increase the strength of the alliance's rapid reaction force nearly eightfold, from 40,000 to 300,000 troops. The troops will be based in their home nations, but dedicated to specific countries on NATO's eastern flank, where the alliance plans to build up stocks of equipment and ammunition.

Beneath the surface, there are tensions within NATO over how the war will end and what, if any, concessions Ukraine should make to end the fighting.

There are also differences on how hard a line to take on China in NATO's new Strategic Concept — its once-a-decade set of priorities and goals. The last document, published in 2010, didn't mention China at all.

The new concept is expected to set out NATO's approach on issues from cybersecurity to climate change — and the growing economic and military reach of China, and the rising importance and power of the Indo-Pacific region. For the first time, the leaders of Japan, Australia, South Korea and New Zealand are attending the summit as guests.

Some European members are wary of the tough U.S. line on Beijing and don't want China cast as an opponent.

In the Strategic Concept, NATO is set to declare Russia its number one threat.

Russia's state space agency, Roscosmos marked the summit's opening by releasing satellite images and coordinates of the Madrid conference hall where it is being held, along with those of the White House, the Pentagon and the government headquarters in London, Paris and Berlin.

The agency said NATO was set to declare Russia an enemy at the summit, adding that it was publishing precise coordinates "just in case."

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They don't want war, but agree they don't all want to pay their fair share. President Trump called out the deadbeats.
I think they want war but have no intentions of fighting it, they will allow Demented Joe to waltz right into one and allow a bunch of Americans to die, but they themselves don't want to get dirty.
 
No. I actually served, unlike most here.
I know you think that gives you some sort of authority, but it doesn't. It isn't the faggotry line a lot of remf come off "until you serve shut your fucking mouth", and i do value your opinion a bit more than most here. But you do come across like a cold war obsessed boomer with that shit. You have been out of the military longer than most of these kids have been alive, and you completely gloss over how much shit has changed in the past couple decades. I doubt any of these people even know what the Tailhook scandal was.
Your opinion carries a bit more weight, yes, but your expertise is a bit dated. Please stop trying to assign so much value to your takes and stop shitting on people who are just doing the same as you are.
 
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I know you think that gives you some sort of authority, but it doesn't. It isn't the faggotry line a lot of remf come off "until you serve shut your fucking mouth", and i do value your opinion a bit more than most here. But you do come across like a cold war obsessed boomer with that shit. You have been out of the military longer than most of these kids have been alive, and you completely gloss over how much shit has changed in the past couple decades. I doubt any of these people even know what the Tailhook scandal was.
Your opinion carries a bit more weight, yes, but your expertise is a bit dated. Please stop trying to assign so much value to your takes and stop shitting on people who are just doing the same as you are.
Well I used to feel the same way as @JosephStalin but then reality set in during our adventures in Afghanistan/Iraq. Shit had changed, and for the worst. The Tailhook Scandal got more play than Humvees with no armor and a lack of plate carriers for infantry in Iraq. I used to read the daily casualty lists, and there were a lot of KIAs that could have been avoided had there been even a couple of people who knew their way around Arabs, spoke Arabic and could name the tribal sheikhs of the area. So while its true even recently we had guys like Stormin Norman and Colin Powell, by the time 2003 rolled around Schwarzkopf had long been retired and Powell decided to drink the Kool Aid and burned his bridges.

Now that we have leftist corruption demanding women who faint before finishing a Ranger five mile run because their bodies can't handle carrying gear be placed into SFOD, troons, fat negress officers, medical personnel who balk at qualifying on a 9mm handgun then literally demand to speak to the manager when told no and DoD so desperate for bodies tatted up gangstas and AIDS patients are going to be allowed in, it will only get worse.

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I vaguely remember how goddamn sad it was that folks were raising money for armor for the humvees. I used to be in that boat too, I still have nothing but respect for most of the people that made up the military, but see how they are treated, how the young are targeted for recruitment, how they are treated after they are used up. I just don't really feel the same way anymore. The military grabs up kids, trains them up, throws them at a meatgrinders and just throws them away. Look how many homeless vets we have, look how many brain broken vets that come home but have no idea how to readjust to normal life. Makes me beyond angry.
It doesn't take much to anger me when i see and hear these clueless fucks trying to claim i'm some russian shill, or i'm some unpatriotic faggot. I'm just tired of seeing our treasure and our future, be it money, or people, being thrown away for some corrupt faggot in some corrupt faggot country. I don't give a fuck about the corrupt faggot puppets in that country.
 
Why would the NATO nations want war? Just don't see it.

Well where do we begin, since it's a long answer but let me give a simple analogy.

Russia is the Aztec Empire.

Uncle Sam are the Spanish Conquistadors.

NATO are made up of a shitload of tribes who hate the Aztecs for keeping them down at one point or another in past histories. The tribes in this case include Poland and the Baltic and other former annexed members of the Soviet Union and Russian Empire. Also include rivals as well like the Anglos.
 
Well where do we begin, since it's a long answer but let me give a simple analogy.

Russia is the Aztec Empire.

Uncle Sam are the Spanish Conquistadors.

NATO are made up of a shitload of tribes who hate the Aztecs for keeping them down at one point or another in past histories. The tribes in this case include Poland and the Baltic and other former annexed members of the Soviet Union and Russian Empire. Also include rivals as well like the Anglos.
Sorry, just don't buy it. The memories of World War II and the Cold War are still implanted in the body memory of Europe. Today's Germany acts nothing like pre-WWII Germany. The UK is hard-pressed to maintain even the forces it has. Poland is expanding their forces to a certain extent but nobody is calling for war with Russia. Suggest it's common knowledge that Europe far outstrips Russia population-wise and in military potential. All Russia has are nukes and certain natural resources, but Europe has a certain amount of nukes and access to the natural resources needed.

Today's Russia is hard-pressed to sustain the grind in Ukraine after their initial decapitation strike failed. How would they be able to fight NATO conventionally? And what's gained through nuclear war? Russia knows it cannot win either way.

On a different subject, I seem to get criticism from some when I mention my service. Have been told I served too ling ago to know how things are. Bullshit. My military knowledge doesn't come from playing video games and watching the History Channel. Learned what I know from actual field operations and years at headquarters and an alphabet agency. I had to learn how to effectively plan and execute actions and programs, especially the logistical aspects. Attended and graduated from professional military schools.

The basics of war don't change much. The fight is through combined arms, and utterly dependent on planning and logistics. You need air superiority and hopefully air supremacy. As appropriate, you need naval superiority and naval supremacy. You need an integrated strategy from the front line all the way back to the national capital. The changes come in the form of new and better ways to do the same basic things. If you knew how to do things back then, you can learn how to do things now. Could go back tomorrow and do my last job with a little updating.

Funny, seem to get no criticism from fellow vets here. Get criticism from those who think they know something but all they know is Call of Duty. Some who criticize don't like me asking if they have served. Reasonable question. If you haven't worn a uniform, if you haven't had to carry out missions under all sorts of conditions, if you haven't had to work logistics, then you don't really have the frame of reference needed to criticize people who have done so. And I'm not arguing with you, I just put you on ignore.
 
CuzingEd with another swing and a miss, never posted there bud. Anglin is, and always was a giant fuckign faggot, much like you. Hard to do much for whites when you are pumping gook whores. I'll delete my account if you can show proof i've ever gave anglin a dime, or if i've touched crypto in any way since 2015 or so. You still post on patriot.win you fucking mongoloid cocksucker?


I don't know man, a lot has changed since even i got out in the late 90s. Readiness can't' be what it once was, after the shit shows of Iraq/Afghan. I sure hope it will bounce back, but i think the vax mandate shit has it in pretty dire states right now. Not really too up to date, but last i seen was a good chunk were due to be booted over them. And that's not even considering something that is much more important, the seal's that refuse the vax. That's a recipe for some major issues goign forward.
I'm likely to agree with you 5 years ago, but now i just don't know, I really don't. We are going to get our shit absolutely kicked in if we don't get rid of this dumb shit.
So, you aren't a Gaymer Uprising paypig simp faggot. You are just some loser faggot that gets way too involved in the drama on other forums because you have nothing else to do with your time. I also noticed you have a Gayper as your avatar. Do you like Fuentes? Do you like Gayping? LOL

You keep talking about about how I post stupid opinions like you know me from Gaymer Uprising. Yeah, I don't believe for a minute that you are just some random faggot retard that seems to be a Russiaboo vatnigger you have a Gayper in your avatar and you don't post on Gaymer Uprising. Like I said fuck off back to Gaymer Uprising.
This is you every time you spew your hot takes on Russia, be it on Kiwi Farms or Anglin's shitty forum.
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You should Switch the faces around and then it would be more accurate. It would actually be more like the Russiaboo vatnigger retards every time I tell them that Russia isn't winning.
Didn't the British do something like that in southeast Asia the country's name escapes me right now
There are other things at play in the situation as well. Afghans are known for being fighters. It's a culture of machismo as well. Then you have the fact that the US was helping arm them. The Soviets would have lost anyway. By the mid 80's they were already talking about getting out.

The British still saw resistance in northern Burma till 1890. As someone pointed out it helped that the people doing the desistance fighting were not well liked by the vast majority of the country.
All these retarded countries want war but yet don't want to pay their financial commitments.
NATO is a defensive alliance and always has been. Even during the days of the cold war, it was defensive. It' was never about invading the Soviet Union and it's not about invading Russia now. Russia has nuclear weapons. There is no threat from NATO or the US. They can launch a nuclear strike on Europe and America. All the anti-NATO stuff you hear from Russia is just Russia whining because it wasn't to turn its Eastern European neighbors into slave states and NATO is in the way. If NATO didn't exist Russia would be doing that anyway.

The Russiaboo vatniggers are just parroting talking points they heard from Russian state propaganda.

But the Russian military is garbage, and they can no longer take on the Eastern European nations. That's why they are getting beaten in Ukraine. Russia's days as a superpower are over.
 
So, you aren't a Gaymer Uprising paypig simp faggot. You are just some loser faggot that gets way too involved in the drama on other forums because you have nothing else to do with your time. I also noticed you have a Gayper as your avatar. Do you like Fuentes? Do you like Gayping? LOL

You keep talking about about how I post stupid opinions like you know me from Gaymer Uprising. Yeah, I don't believe for a minute that you are just some random faggot retard that seems to be a Russiaboo vatnigger you have a Gayper in your avatar and you don't post on Gaymer Uprising. Like I said fuck off back to Gaymer Uprising.

You should Switch the faces around and then it would be more accurate. It would actually be more like the Russiaboo vatnigger retards every time I tell them that Russia isn't winning.

There are other things at play in the situation as well. Afghans are known for being fighters. It's a culture of machismo as well. Then you have the fact that the US was helping arm them. The Soviets would have lost anyway. By the mid 80's they were already talking about getting out.

The British still saw resistance in northern Burma till 1890. As someone pointed out it helped that the people doing the desistance fighting were not well liked by the vast majority of the country.

NATO is a defensive alliance and always has been. Even during the days of the cold war, it was defensive. It' was never about invading the Soviet Union and it's not about invading Russia now. Russia has nuclear weapons. There is no threat from NATO or the US. They can launch a nuclear strike on Europe and America. All the anti-NATO stuff you hear from Russia is just Russia whining because it wasn't to turn its Eastern European neighbors into slave states and NATO is in the way. If NATO didn't exist Russia would be doing that anyway.

The Russiaboo vatniggers are just parroting talking points they heard from Russian state propaganda.

But the Russian military is garbage, and they can no longer take on the Eastern European nations. That's why they are getting beaten in Ukraine. Russia's days as a superpower are over.
While some people on here are getting snippy with our @JosephStalin almost everyone (including me) values his opinion and observations, even if they disagree with some of it. On the other hand we have your word salad that contributes nothing. Literally you post the same garbage here that you posted on Anglin's site and got a long temp ban for it, maybe Null should consider doing the same.
 
Well where do we begin, since it's a long answer but let me give a simple analogy.

Russia is the Aztec Empire.

Uncle Sam are the Spanish Conquistadors.

NATO are made up of a shitload of tribes who hate the Aztecs for keeping them down at one point or another in past histories. The tribes in this case include Poland and the Baltic and other former annexed members of the Soviet Union and Russian Empire. Also include rivals as well like the Anglos.

What?? This is a retarded take even for you Russian child rapists. The only reason NATO keeps existing is that your Russian assholes keep threatening us with death and nuclear war, if you did not spaz out all the fucking time NATO would be gone by now.

Also fucker YOU invaded Ukraine. Yes, then the states around Ukraine decided this was a great time to get some payback and the US decided to use it to establish itself even stronger in the world as the foremost power.
This is not the US being smart, this is the Russians being stupid incompetent fuckwits.
 
Haven't heard of the Russians carrying out any amphibious landings in this war.
Well, the VDV were forced to improvise one after that mis-aimed drop into the Black Sea. Unfortunately they weren't dropped with any landing craft or even basic aquatic gear since they were supposed to hit dry land. Oops.
 
Why would the NATO nations want war? Just don't see it.
1) NATO is hell-bent on surrounding Russia at all sides (and has succeeded)
2) NATO refused to provide Russia with security guarantees when asked to in late 2021/early 2022
3) NATO has several members with extremely belligerent rhethoric (Poland, Latvia and Lithuania)
4) NATO has already gone on the offensive and dismantled a country it didn't like (Yugoslavia)

Not a good look.
 
1) NATO is hell-bent on surrounding Russia at all sides (and has succeeded)
2) NATO refused to provide Russia with security guarantees when asked to in late 2021/early 2022
3) NATO has several members with extremely belligerent rhethoric (Poland, Latvia and Lithuania)
4) NATO has already gone on the offensive and dismantled a country it didn't like (Yugoslavia)

Not a good look.
Yugoslavia imploded on themselves in 1991 and NATO only got involved in 95 after UN proven to be too incompetent to handle it.
By then, any chance of Yugoslavia being a nation was long dead (the buildup to the breakdown started in the 80s) and none of the breakaway countries wanted to part of Yugoslavia anymore.
 
1) NATO is hell-bent on surrounding Russia at all sides (and has succeeded)
Yeah your right NATO is cool.

2) NATO refused to provide Russia with security guarantees when asked to in late 2021/early 2022
Oh no we did not bend over and do whatever the Russians wanted with nothing in return. Instead, NATO works towards NATO goals, oh no how horrible, you are right we should move back to the NATO deal in the 80's and throw the Eastern European countries out of NATO and not allow countries to join.

Why the FUCK would we care what Russia wants. Is Russian in NATO or an Ally? NO, then don't give a shit

3) NATO has several members with extremely belligerent rhethoric (Poland, Latvia and Lithuania)

So, they will not get support if they are the aggressors. If Lithuania invades Russia they are on their own.
Are you worried that those 3 countries are going to invade and destroy Russia?

4) NATO has already gone on the offensive and dismantled a country it didn't like (Yugoslavia)

Yes with an FN mandate supported by the RUSSIANS. How horrible we stopped the genocide.
Not a good look.

NO, it is a great look.
Think of it this way, we have yet to join the fighting as NATO and we are still winning in Ukraine. We are literally winning a war we are not fighting in.

So far what have the Russians gained? They are now more surrounded than before and NATO is stronger than ever,
The Russian military has gotten shown to be a joke, military hardware is only good for blowing op kinder gardens, and trade has gotten fucked into the dirt and lost the only bargaining chip they had over the EU.
What have they gained? Maybe a Ukraine that needs to be rebuilt at best.
 
1) NATO is hell-bent on surrounding Russia at all sides (and has succeeded)
Maybe if Russia wasn't hell-bent on dick-waving towards its neighbors they wouldn't have felt the need to petition NATO for membership. Go on, tell me what finally convinced Sweden and Finland to ask to join instead of hemming and hawing about neutrality.
2) NATO refused to provide Russia with security guarantees when asked to in late 2021/early 2022
Yes, because after Russia's long history of belligerence towards its neighbors, NATO was going to guarantee their security.
3) NATO has several members with extremely belligerent rhethoric (Poland, Latvia and Lithuania)
Partitions of Poland
Soviet Rule Over the Baltics
Yeah, totally zero reasons for them to be belligerent towards Russia, especially since the last Russian soldier didn't leave Baltic soil until 1999. Russia is nothing but a domestic abuser, crying out to its victims that they made it do this to them.
 
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