TundranVoltaire / sea-chart - The Kiwis' Benedict Arnold

[Adamska]

An example would be me saying this mentally to myself as I'm trying to pick up the courage to talk to people: "hey, I know you are scared of talking to strangers to try and make friends, but you're Link! You're courageous! You can do it, you've fought worse!"

This is the smartass talking here, but isn't Link one of the worst motivating figures for talking to others you could have outside of Chrono?

As for falling out of contact? That really was my fault and I am very sorry for it, and also for taking shit about you guys. I don't exactly remember what I said but it probably was during my "blow-ups" and yeah, that's my fault and I'm sorry for that.

I still don't understand why you'd want to try and re-establish relations with a person who has shown no indication of wanting to change and who has been known to abuse those that go back to them. What is it about Alyssa that makes you want to mend relations? I'm asking since even ignoring the qualities we feel are too big to ignore, she doesn't really talk hobbies or show any real interests outside of eating and getting high.

 

[Meowthkip]

About the otherkin thing; I just feel a strong connection with Link, and can use that connection to strengthen myself in difficult situations in my life. An example would be me saying this mentally to myself as I'm trying to pick up the courage to talk to people: "hey, I know you are scared of talking to strangers to try and make friends, but you're Link! You're courageous! You can do it, you've fought worse!" It really helps. Fiction is very empowering. As for falling out of contact? That really was my fault and I am very sorry for it, and also for taking shit about you guys. I don't exactly remember what I said but it probably was during my "blow-ups" and yeah, that's my fault and I'm sorry for that.

I like to look up to Batman and Spider-Man and Tank Girl for self-confidence but I don't go around saying I am Batman or Spider-Man or Tank Girl. If you were looking up to a historical figure, would you say you're them?

What convinced you that Vade had changed, aside from her no longer attacking you or your friends?

 

[Magpie]

An example would be me saying this mentally to myself as I'm trying to pick up the courage to talk to people: "hey, I know you are scared of talking to strangers to try and make friends, but you're Link! You're courageous! You can do it, you've fought worse!" It really helps. Fiction is very empowering.

This is funny because, well, this is Link we're talking about here. (goddamn it Adamska you got me) Also, this is called being inspired, not being otherkin. A simple concept that a person/character/whatever can be a positive influence or role model.

As for your change of heart regarding Vade and company, it's still too befuddling for me to comment on other than "why?"

 

[TundranVoltaire]

That's not what you just said. Or what you said in your fire and brimstone Skype chat. I can read, my friend. I would accept that easily if you hadn't taken up with her; that is still being directly involved, just a different capacity.

You can just say you felt bad and went clamouring to her to absolve yourself of guilt, you know.

Now that I have more perspective and have realized Vade's not changing, I'm trying not to be directly associated with Vade. Meowthkip's words have not fallen on deaf ears. I personally feel bad about what happened between Vade and I, though, because I was frankly being an ass for the sake of being an ass, and wanted to reconcile to help with that, rightfully or not.

I still don't understand why you'd want to try and re-establish relations with a person who has shown no indication of wanting to change and who has been known to abuse those that go back to them. What is it about Alyssa that makes you want to mend relations? I'm asking since even ignoring the qualities we feel are too big to ignore, she doesn't really talk hobbies or show any real interests outside of eating and getting high.

What convinced you that Vade had changed, aside from her no longer attacking you or your friends?

I had a private conversation with them, and they apologized to me for their actions. I took it at face value because Vade's never in my knowledge done that to anyone they've targeted before. It frankly shocked me enough that I figured Vade had changed.

I like to look up to Batman and Tank Girl for self-confidence but I don't go around saying I am Batman or Tank Girl. If you were looking up to a historical figure, would you say you're them?

I donno, but it helps, and it's better than the alternative which is lashing out at people (which, is something I'm genuinely working at because that's not healthy). It's the lesser of two coping mechanisms, and hey if it helps without hurting others, I'll take it. It's not as if this kin stuff controls my life by any means, either.

This is the smartass talking here, but isn't Link one of the worst motivating figures for talking to others you could have outside of Chrono?

The point was more about how Link's courageous against overwhelming odds, but I appreciate this nevertheless; I chuckled a bit, I will admit.

 

[DirtbagDeluxe]

This is the smartass talking here, but isn't Link one of the worst motivating figures for talking to others you could have outside of Chrono?

I think if you need to compare speaking with another human being to stabbing a dodongo, or calling yourself courageous for things you never did and will never do, you have bigger problems than shyness. Lying to yourself about who you are isn't healthy, and I notice that around here, that's the exact logic every kiwi otherkin/factkin uses. A coping mechanism shouldn't hinder your personal development as an individual, instead of a pretend person. I also name you a liar, @TundranVoltaire , because you regularly talk about being 'actually Link' on your blog. Were you Actually Kyle, like Vade warned us?

It's much funnier this way though.

 

[Meowthkip]

I had a private conversation with them, and they apologized to me for their actions. I took it at face value because Vade's never in my knowledge done that to anyone they've targeted before. It frankly shocked me enough that I figured Vade had changed.

Wait, you were in her thread for hundreds of pages, knew full-well she was notorious for being manipulative, and you still believed her?

I donno, but it helps, and it's better than the alternative which is lashing out at people (which, is something I'm genuinely working at because that's not healthy). It's the lesser of two coping mechanisms, and hey if it helps without hurting others, I'll take it. It's not as if this kin stuff controls my life by any means, either.

There are more than two coping mechanisms that exist, you know. And just because it's a coping mechanism doesn't mean that it's healthy.

 

[TundranVoltaire]

Wait, you were in her thread for hundreds of pages, knew full-well she was notorious for being manipulative, and you still believed her?

Yeah, I was being an idiot. I fully realize this now. I was hoping for the best and of course I was mistaken.

There are more than two coping mechanisms that exist, you know. And just because it's a coping mechanism doesn't mean that it's healthy.

I'm aware. But as I said before, I'd take the occasional spergyness of using a fictional character to help cope with things than the alternative that I have shown, which is lash out at people angrily. I do appreciate your opinion on this; however, I respectfully disagree. Other than the occasional inside joke on my blog about it and me motivating myself to get over my problems, it doesn't affect my life; and it's actually helped in a lot of respects. I'm still trying to figure out how best to cope with things to be honest, though, so who knows. I might be able to drop the kin thing someday. But for now, it helps.

Were you Actually Kyle, like Vade warned us?

What, that random ass kin blog someone had that Vade accused of being me? Nah. I believe that person running the blog left because of anon hate, either due to lurkers in the thread or Vade's friends sending them.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Yeah, I was being an idiot. I fully realize this now. I was hoping for the best and of course I was mistaken.


I'm aware. But as I said before, I'd take the occasional spergyness of using a fictional character to help cope with things than the alternative that I have shown, which is lash out at people angrily. I do appreciate your opinion on this; however, I respectfully disagree. Other than the occasional inside joke on my blog about it and me motivating myself to get over my problems, it doesn't affect my life; and it's actually helped in a lot of respects. I'm still trying to figure out how best to cope with things to be honest, though, so who knows. I might be able to drop the kin thing someday. But for now, it helps.


What, that random ass kin blog someone had that Vade accused of being me? Nah. I believe that person running the blog left because of anon hate, either due to lurkers in the thread or Vade's friends sending them.

Lashing out at people, being two-faced, and pretending to be a fictional character is infantile. I understand that you're struggling, but a grown adult shouldn't need make-believe to exist. Just because you say you're fucked in the head and need "coping mechanisms" doesn't mean you're excused from acting like an adult.

 

[Meowthkip]

I'm aware. But as I said before, I'd take the occasional spergyness of using a fictional character to help cope with things than the alternative that I have shown, which is lash out at people angrily. I do appreciate your opinion on this; however, I respectfully disagree. Other than the occasional inside joke on my blog about it and me motivating myself to get over my problems, it doesn't affect my life; and it's actually helped in a lot of respects. I'm still trying to figure out how best to cope with things to be honest, though, so who knows. I might be able to drop the kin thing someday. But for now, it helps.

A lot of people say Scientology helped them out, too. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Why hold onto the kin thing if you know it's not real?

 

[TundranVoltaire]

Lashing out at people, being two-faced, and pretending to be a fictional character is infantile. I understand that you're struggling, but a grown adult shouldn't need make-believe to exist. Just because you say you're fucked in the head and need "coping mechanisms" doesn't mean you're excused from acting like an adult.

I know. It's a long learning process to figure out how best to deal with the trauma that had happened in my life.

A lot of people say Scientology helped them out, too. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Why hold onto the kin thing if you know it's not real?

It's only temporary, because at least for now it helps.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Honestly @TundranVoltaire, this whole thing reeks of an attempt to get us off your back. Your conduct in the chat logs is far less civil than your conduct here, which suggests that you're playing nice to try and get us off your ass.
That's historically turned out poorly for people who've earned their own thread, and it's endemic to the tumblr cows. Tread cautiously.

 

[Meowthkip]

Another thing, @TundranVoltaire , you're still in contact with Tanku, right? Tanku is also an otherkin. Was it acceptable to you when she posted about killing herself to find her fictional brother in another universe?

Honestly that seems like a pretty big sign that the whole "otherkin" thing isn't a good way to cope at all.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Another thing, @TundranVoltaire , you're still in contact with Tanku, right? Tanku is also an otherkin. Was it acceptable to you when she posted about killing herself to find her fictional brother in another universe?

Honestly that seems like a pretty big sign that the whole "otherkin" thing isn't a good way to cope at all.

They always claim it's trauma-induced, but it curiously only seems to affect people were already kinda nuts.

 

[TundranVoltaire]

Honestly @TundranVoltaire, this whole thing reeks of an attempt to get us off your back. Your conduct in the chat logs is far less civil than your conduct here, which suggests that you're playing nice to try and get us off your ass.
That's historically turned out poorly for people who've earned their own thread, and it's endemic to the tumblr cows. Tread cautiously.

Cat told me that if I came to the thread, this could be peacefully resolved. And I admit I was way too harsh in the chat logs to Cat, my temper is something I am trying to work on but it's a very slow process. Doesn't excuse it, and I'm sorry Cat.

Another thing, @TundranVoltaire , you're still in contact with Tanku, right? Tanku is also an otherkin. Was it acceptable to you when she posted about killing herself to find her fictional brother in another universe?

Honestly that seems like a pretty big sign that the whole "otherkin" thing isn't a good way to cope at all.

Tanku is also 16; she's immature as a 16 year old is. She's young, has issues of her own that differ from mine, and I don't think she uses kin things to cope. And to be completely honest, she shouldn't really be brought into this. She's a minor, and has made it clear she doesn't want to be any part of this. That being said though, I talk to her mostly on Steam; I do not follow her Tumblr due to the fact she changes it a lot. So I was unaware of that, to be fair.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Cat told me that if I came to the thread, this could be peacefully resolved. And I admit I was way too harsh in the chat logs to Cat, my temper is something I am trying to work on but it's a very slow process. Doesn't excuse it, and I'm sorry Cat.

Ah, so in other words, you're civil when you stand to gain something. When you don't, you're shitty to people. Good to know.
Your temper appears to have cost you quite a bit. For someone with such extreme coping mechanisms, they don't seem to be working.

 

[Adamska]

What, that random ass kin blog someone had that Vade accused of being me? Nah. I believe that person running the blog left because of anon hate, either due to lurkers in the thread or Vade's friends sending them.

Nahh, it was more how you kept using Kyle pix like how you use Link nowadays on that website. So did you identify with and claim Kyle as kin based on this observation?

 

[TundranVoltaire]

Ah, so in other words, you're civil when you stand to gain something. When you don't, you're shitty to people. Good to know.
Your temper appears to have cost you quite a bit. For someone with such extreme coping mechanisms, they don't seem to be working.

Coping mechanisms aren't immediate, and I'm working on making progress, but it's a slow grind uphill. I still have parts where I act wrongly, but I feel like I've made some progress at least.

Nahh, it was more how you kept using Kyle pix like how you use Link nowadays on that website. So did you identify with and claim Kyle as kin based on this observation?

I did not. However, I like to use reaction pictures because I feel like my correct tone isn't being conveyed right through the text, so I use the pictures to emphasize things like that. Seems to help people understand my tone a bit better, especially on a site like Tumblr where you could be sent anon hate for someone misinterpreting your tone.

 

[Meowthkip]

Tanku is also 16; she's immature as a 16 year old is. She's young, has issues of her own that differ from mine, and I don't think she uses kin things to cope. And to be completely honest, she shouldn't really be brought into this. She's a minor, and has made it clear she doesn't want to be any part of this. That being said though, I talk to her mostly on Steam; I do not follow her Tumblr due to the fact she changes it a lot. So I was unaware of that, to be fair.

But you told her about the thread and got her flipping out over being mentioned once or twice for context. You kind of brought her into it when I got that message from her accusing me of stalking her blog the other night.

Also, yes, she's 16. But you're not. You're an adult, and if you had been reading this thread over as she suggested, you should have known about the suicide threats before I brought them up.

Explain this discrepancy.

 

[Rung]

About the otherkin thing; I just feel a strong connection with Link, and can use that connection to strengthen myself in difficult situations in my life.

I feel a strong connection to certain characters as well but im not that fucking autistic to "identify" as them. Grow up, and ditch Otherkin. It causes more problems and makes people avoid their mental issues and it makes me wanna shove you in a locker and steal your lunch money for being a nerd.
You're an adult, not a five year old.

 

[TundranVoltaire]

But you told her about the thread and got her flipping out over being mentioned once or twice for context. You kind of brought her into it when I got that message from her accusing me of stalking her blog the other night.

Also, yes, she's 16. But you're not. You're an adult, and if you had been reading this thread over as she suggested, you should have known about the suicide threats before I brought them up.

Explain this discrepancy.

I wasn't really sitting down and reading word for word the thread, because this shit's been hell on my mental health; I've been skimming for links and url drops because as I said before in the chatlog, I didn't want innocent people's urls dropped.

I saw her name and something about her kintype, but didn't really stop and read to be honest. I just mentioned it to Tan because I figured she should know she was being brought into this shit again. Didn't figure anything would come of it other than her switching urls or deleting her personal stuff; I didn't expect her to rail on you for it. She made it out that she was terrified of you, and I didn't press further on the subject save for lightly mentioning it so she was aware.