Truth about face masks and Covid revealed

A firm staple during the Covid-19 pandemic, they were mandated by governments in certain settings.

Some felt they were lifesavers, others viewed them as oppressive or a waste of time.

But more than three years into the pandemic there still isn’t a universal consensus on whether masks protect against the coronavirus with both sides utilising different methodology to argue their case.

But a recent Cochrane Review — considered the gold standard of evidence-based medicine — is perhaps the closest medical conclusion on the validity of masks.

The review assessed 78 high-quality scientific studies. And its findings are illuminating.

The authors found “wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference,” when comparing masking with non-masking to prevent Covid-19.

What’s more, even for health care workers providing routine care, “there were no clear differences” between medical or surgical masks versus N95s, the review found.

Of course, not everyone is accepting the Cochrane findings.

Critics argue that a different conclusion might have been reached if more and better studies had been available.

The paper’s authors acknowledge that the trials they considered were prone to bias and didn’t take into account inconsistent use of masks.

But lead author Tom Jefferson, senior associate tutor at the University of Oxford, has stood by the study.

In a recent interview, he offered this: “There is still no evidence that masks are effective during a pandemic.”

Over Christmas last year millions of Australian were warned to wear face masks in certain settings to quash a fresh spike in Covid cases.

The issue was raised by NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant, who gave the advice despite assuring that the state had already reached its latest virus peak.

“Wearing masks is an effective measure, but it is a personal choice, but I think about those around you,” she explained.

Other states followed with Queensland chief health officer John Gerrard urging people to socially distance and wear mask

The Australia Medical Association unsuccessfully pushed for state governments to return to mask mandates over the busy holiday season.

In Victoria, where Premier Daniel Andrews and his chief health officer Brett Sutton oversaw some of the harshest pandemic rules in the world, masks became a divisive issue.

Police were forced to enforce mask rules, which often let to confrontations with members of the public.
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In August last year, the Andrews government made available millions of N95 masks.

“Providing masks free of charge to those who need them most will help them protect themselves, their loved ones, and Victoria’s hardworking healthcare workers,” the Premier said.

From: https://www.news.com.au/technology/...d/news-story/ccaefaecc2de8ecfba359c817dc2fad7
 
Entirely unsurprised, although the N95 fact is surprising. Those cheap surgical masks people wore were useless, they didn’t seal and were flimsy as shit. I’m guessing with N95s it’s might be the case that either the viral particles are too small to be meaningfully affected, or that basically nobody fits them correctly so it didn’t matter anyway.

N95s are meant to be fitted using a kit that includes a vial of stink, and if you can still smell it with the mask on, you’ve not fitted it correctly.
What they call N95's are just dust masks, which is technically correct (the material itself is rated at N95 by NIOSH or whatever) but obviously not effective. No one is wearing actual half-face and full-face respirators with N95 (or P95, or N/P 100 etc) cartridges.

The whole thing is so stupid that even after years of this shit nobody understands what they're talking about

I use serious PPE every day. If I wore a brand name dust mask "N95" or (even worse) some kind of knockoff "N95" face rag instead of a respirator, I'd be hospitalized within a few days. It's so stupid that it's not even possible to talk about - even if the believer was willing to engage with you (and they never are, they just scream at you to put a mask on and then call the cops) there really is nothing to talk about because they don't even have a grasp on the fundamentals - it's like trying to talk about calculus with a kid who can't even read yet
 
I genuinely think part of the plan with masks was to force people to stay inside and quarantine. People hate wearing masks. Make everyone wear it while going out and people will just stay inside more. It doesn't matter if they're effective or not, just make going out and interacting with people miserable and you can in theory reduce transmission or so the logic goes.
 
What they call N95's are just dust masks, which is technically correct (the material itself is rated at N95 by NIOSH or whatever) but obviously not effective. No one is wearing actual half-face and full-face respirators with N95 (or P95, or N/P 100 etc) cartridges.

The whole thing is so stupid that even after years of this shit nobody understands what they're talking about

I use serious PPE every day. If I wore a brand name dust mask "N95" or (even worse) some kind of knockoff "N95" face rag instead of a respirator, I'd be hospitalized within a few days. It's so stupid that it's not even possible to talk about - even if the believer was willing to engage with you (and they never are, they just scream at you to put a mask on and then call the cops) there really is nothing to talk about because they don't even have a grasp on the fundamentals - it's like trying to talk about calculus with a kid who can't even read yet
Interesting. Obviously the cartridge based systems are typically more effective, depending on the cartridge used. The N95's I was thinking of were these type. Mind you, the study seems to just say any mask provides the same efficacy, which I guess might be due to none of them being capable of blocking viral particles, but all of them preventing aerosols from escaping.

As for twits that scream at you about masks, I never really had to deal with that here in NZ. It was mostly just considered a courtesy, if someone wasn't wearing a mask they probably had a reason. Only place it was really enforced was tertiary education, and even there nobody really cared that much outside of a few teachers. Nobody bothered wearing them outside for the most part.
 
If that's true, how did that one strain of flu go extinct?
Maybe they don't spread the same? I remember seeing like lowest flu rates, but another part is we were all told to remain inside.

I wore a mask as little as possible, basically only when I had to go in to buildings. And I always wore the basic medical ones. In theory it would be better than fucking cloth. The fact pro mask people would just use a piece of cloth is wild to me.
They're probably only any good at blocking spittle from coughs and sneezes.
 
It propably has a small effect. Its not a full hazmat suit.

Yes, I want my hazmat suit and I want to larp Fallout, though with the hohols and mutts egging on Russia, I may be able to larp Krieg soon, as soon as the comrades let our people's atomic apocalypse fly. Entrenchment tool!
 
influenza B/Yamagata
While two influenza B virus lineages have co-circulated, B/Yamagata-lineage circulation has not been confirmed since March 2020.
 
influenza B/Yamagata

I'd be tempted to attribute that to the fact that, a lot of the initial response to the rona was adapted from plans to deal with a flu pandemic, so measures such as wearing masks and keeping distance might actually have an effect, while its slow mutation rate makes it more vulnerable to (real) vaccines. The possiblity that a less prevalent or less virulent flu strain might be wiped out by the coronavirus response is quite high.

All the evidence indicates that the rona is airborne, a trait it almost certainly shares with all coronaviruses, rather than dropletborne; few measures, beyond hermetically sealing yourself in a bag, can actually prevent its spread, while it's long been known that all coronaviruses mutate far too quickly for any vaccines to be effective. Or, at least, it was well known until two years ago, when the world suddenly decided this fact of biology to be misinformation.
 
Literally the case around here, which is weird given their "shit mufugga fug the Man keepin' us down bix nood" approach to the world. They're still religious about it when no one else has worn them in years.


Covid was a watershed moment in my understanding of the relationship between the state and the people. You can't trust anybody to resist tyranny even when it slaps them across the face - people who actually believe in liberty are a tiny, tiny minority.
Literal nigger voodoo charms..

No one cares about freedom they care about getting shit done. They have real personal problems to solve while you larp about ancapistan. A kid in a shitty diaper takes priority over muh freedoms.
I genuinely think part of the plan with masks was to force people to stay inside and quarantine. People hate wearing masks. Make everyone wear it while going out and people will just stay inside more. It doesn't matter if they're effective or not, just make going out and interacting with people miserable and you can in theory reduce transmission or so the logic goes.
It's all a visual reminder. If you make the world look sick and scary you change the internal response to it. If everyone's walking round looking normal and laughing no one's going to take your sci fi bullshit story seriously. Make them wear the masks and now you made the real world look like a horror movie. Everyone's faceless and scared.
 
Interesting. Obviously the cartridge based systems are typically more effective, depending on the cartridge used. The N95's I was thinking of were these type. Mind you, the study seems to just say any mask provides the same efficacy, which I guess might be due to none of them being capable of blocking viral particles, but all of them preventing aerosols from escaping.

As for twits that scream at you about masks, I never really had to deal with that here in NZ. It was mostly just considered a courtesy, if someone wasn't wearing a mask they probably had a reason. Only place it was really enforced was tertiary education, and even there nobody really cared that much outside of a few teachers. Nobody bothered wearing them outside for the most part.
I had the cops called on me by some fat bitch manager, inside a public building in a free state that outlawed mask mandates. The cop was even worse than the manager. She must have got over it because they don't wear masks there anymore

The first part of an effective mask is a seal. If it doesn't seal (like the dust mask you posted) then it passes unfiltered air around the sides. Effective respirators use silicone or other rubber facepieces, but even a fit-tested respirator will occasionally pass a bit of air, like when you move around. None of the NIOSH filters (95/99/100) are high enough for full virus protection although it will filter a lot out, 95 filters 95%+ of particles over .3 micron, 100 filters 99.97 percent of same particles, it's a rating system. P is superior to N because N is not rated for oil particulates. They say P100 levels are basically HEPA filters and they're supposed to catch pretty much everything, but the only way you can guarantee air safety is by having a clean air line going to a positive pressure suit. I would never expose myself to some deadly virus or super lethal gas without a fresh air line.

Now you know, and yeah carts are better than a thin layer of fabric, but the primary use-case for carbon carts is to capture the volatiles contained in aerosol (that is full of whatever VOC's you're dealing with). Carts have a safety rated life of ~40 hours. If you actually looked at the SCIENCE studies the government was using, they were only claiming a reduction in initial viral load from using masks, because (no shit) even a 99.97% theoretically effective .3 micron filter will still pass .03% (and even more if it's smaller than .3)
 
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