UK Truss will only make the UK more miserable. That could be good - The past has proven that hitting rock-bottom can be a productive national moment

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On Monday, we will witness the ritual miracle of Britain’s peaceful transfer of power, from one Conservative leader to the next. The party’s genius is that it keeps reinventing itself and scrambling the country, so that each new Tory prime minister — now, presumably, Liz Truss — feels like a new regime.

There’s more that’s familiar about this moment. As an ex-superpower, Britain swings between hubris and despair. There was war-induced hubris in 1914 and 1982 and despair in 1956 (the Suez Crisis), 1979 (winter of discontent) and the 2008 financial crisis. The vote for Brexit in 2016, uniquely, combined hubris with despair; some Leave voters thought the UK could do without Europe, while others were expressing their pain. Now a hubristic leader is taking charge just as Britain’s economy and public realm melt down. How will that play out?

Even the British term “omnishambles” cannot capture the current despair. Energy bills will rise 80 per cent next month, real wages are lower than in 2007, foreign investment has evaporated since 2016, the trade deficit is the worst on record and the Bank of England predicts a recession lasting more than a year. Given southern Italian levels of productivity outside London and the UK’s self-exile from the world’s largest free-trade zone, Britain’s regions have no obvious long-term economic strategy beyond flogging national heritage to foreigners.

Britain’s public realm, weak since Margaret Thatcher and hollowed out by David Cameron’s austerity, is now collapsing. In an ageing country that had Europe’s lowest healthy life expectancy even before Covid-19, a record 6.7 million people are waiting for hospital-level treatment. Next comes what Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the National Health Service Confederation, predicts will be “the most difficult winter on record”. Labour is forever warning that the Conservatives will privatise the NHS, but instead the Tories are turning Britain into Brazil, impoverishing healthcare to the point that it’s only used by the poor, pushing the wealthy to go private, as they already do for schools. Meanwhile, climate change is biting, immiserated public-sector workers are striking and, in the only modern country to have fully privatised water, companies have soiled the coasts with excrement.

Now inject Truss into the mix. Like most Tory leaders, she has pitched her appeal to well-off people who want tax cuts. That works electorally when such people abound, but Britain is currently following Argentina’s descent from a predominantly middle-class nation into a predominantly precarious one. Like all modern Tory prime ministers, Truss will spend her political energy on managing her own party. Only during brief interludes before elections do Tories worry about beating Labour. And so Truss will follow Boris Johnson in feeding nationalistic hubris to elderly Conservatives. She will commute to Kyiv for photo-ops with Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, because military action remains shorthand for British greatness, even if the UK’s last military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan ended in ignominious withdrawal.

She also wants to push a bill through parliament backsliding on the Northern Ireland protocol, which the UK signed with the EU. That would break international law, which suits Truss as it signals that Britain does what it likes. The legislation probably won’t ever pass, and will take months of parliamentary time away from the UK’s bigger problems. But its purpose is to remobilise Leave voters and embarrass Labour, which tries to pretend Brexit doesn’t exist. Tory leaders need Brexit to remain an unfinished knight’s quest, requiring constant duels with villains, because as every TV writer knows, that’s a better story than proclaiming Brexit finished and having Leavers say, “But you’ve improved it worse!”

Yet longer term, I’m optimistic. At peaks of despair, British policy changes, occasionally even for the better. After Suez, the UK stopped acting abroad without the US; after 1979, Thatcher decimated the trade unions; after 2008, Cameron imposed misconceived austerity. After the next election in about 2024, I expect two positive changes. First, when you’re down you realise you need friends. Though Britain won’t rejoin the EU for decades, it will seek European allies and freer trade. Younger Britons, raised without superpower fantasies, are overwhelmingly pro-EU.

Second, we will see some reversion to the pre-1979 redistributionist UK, with a stronger public realm. For instance, though the UK won’t renationalise energy companies, it will start regulating them tightly, as it did for banks after 2008. I also expect more serious public debate: whereas fake news is growing worldwide, it’s waning in the UK as the tabloids shed readers.

Despair rarely lasts. Hitting rock-bottom can be a productive national moment.
 
Understand completely. If anything, Rishi shows being an out-of-touch upper-class twat gifted a job in politics is independent of race. Despite all of that, we’re going to see that lazy journalism in the next few days anyway.

In any case, I’m too lazy to find the post, but somebody was talking about Rishi and in the same breath mentioned they really hated how tikka masala was the National dish of the UK (which I just found funny and petty), so that’s become my autistic jab for this leadership cycle.
Tikka masala is not the national dish of Britain no matter how much it’s pushed to be. Our national dish is fish and chips, and anyone who says otherwise can meet me outside.
It’s fun when you find the barb that really get everyone going
 
Tikka masala is not the national dish of Britain no matter how much it’s pushed to be. Our national dish is fish and chips, and anyone who says otherwise can meet me outside.
It’s fun when you find the barb that really get everyone going
You do realize that the type of fish needs to be specified? Knew a few people who got really heated about cod vs haddock, so even people who agree on something still get going over a barb! 8)
 
You do realize that the type of fish needs to be specified? Knew a few people who got really heated about cod vs haddock, so even people who agree on something still get going over a barb! 8)
If you think that's bad you should hear how bad some people get about fishfinger sandwiches. The debate over buttered or not alone could kick off a fight in a pub.
 
One of the better points I've seen made about Rishi is that because he is already ludicrously wealthy and a lot of it is his wife he actually is unlikely to do what many of them will do, namely do a fuckton of favours so he has something cushy to go on to afterwards so he might actually do a good job.
Yeah, got news for you. He's a massive crony of the WEF, supported Brexit because he thinks decoupling from Europe will make Britain more, not less, globalist and he wants to push Central Bank Digital Currency. He's not your guy. He's Mike Bloomberg, not Donald Trump
 
Yeah, got news for you. He's a massive crony of the WEF, supported Brexit because he thinks decoupling from Europe will make Britain more, not less, globalist and he wants to push Central Bank Digital Currency. He's not your guy. He's Mike Bloomberg, not Donald Trump
Exactly, if he didn't deep throat the cock of money already he wouldn't have married for it.
 
Yeah, got news for you. He's a massive crony of the WEF, supported Brexit because he thinks decoupling from Europe will make Britain more, not less, globalist and he wants to push Central Bank Digital Currency. He's not your guy. He's Mike Bloomberg, not Donald Trump
Liz Truss also has a seat at the WEF table. They both work for Klaus. As did Bojo.
 
The only way socialized healthcare has a chance of working is if everyone pays into the system, can't have that with the Pakis, "youths", and parasites in the system.

That's the reality with all modern welfare states in general. This is what people don't get when they push for open borders and write off illegals as an annoyance at worst.. And it ESPECIALLY goes (in the US) for the people who spew out history of immigration. Putting aside the fact that for all of modern history, we had tight regulations on immigration and it wasn't till very modern times that illegal immigration blown up... To put it plainly, immigration is not the same and doesn't have the same effect as before. We didn't have social safety nets and welfare programs in historical times. Allowing a bunch of poor immigrants didn't impact the country nearly as much as it does now. You can't have a welfare state that relies on people working now to pay for workers of the past, and then let millions of middle and older age poor immigrants in continually! You can have one or the other... A social safety net/welfare state or one with a lot of poor immigrants.. not both.. at least not in the long term!
 
Article is fairly presumptuous that Liz Truss will win instead of Dishi Rishi Sunak. I’m still readying up a big chicken tikka masala feast upon his ascension to number 10, since that is THE national dish of the United Kingdom (also makes Britbongs here reeee). 8)
Excuse me, I said I liked curry (or had a young Rowan Atkinson explain it):

 
And it was Kemi. I remain of the opinion that she is still too inexperienced for the job but the gnashing of teeth about the Conservatives electing a black woman who hates that woke shit would have been funny.
Kemi was most likely their only chance to keep those Red Wall seats they gained at the last GE. She was far and away the most charismatic of all the candidates.

Truss' Thatcher cosplay just creeps me out.
 
The question you have to ask is, do you want a raging moron who might make things worse, or a cynical vulture who definitely will make things worse?

Absent Badenoch, I'd take Truss over Rishi, simply because there's a small chance she might do the right thing by accident.

Though I'd rather have the SDP.
I'm choosing Truss purely because in the 2000s I used to fancy her.

I just want Mosley.
He's make sure the gas wouldn't run out. It would be a light that would never be extinguished.
 
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