Trump sends 5,000 active duty troops to the border

The Pentagon will deploy up to 5,000 active-duty troops to the U.S.-Mexico border in an effort to prevent members of a migrant caravan from illegally entering the country, a U.S. official said Monday.

About 2,100 National Guard troops are already fanned out across the border under an order from President Donald Trump earlier this year. In recent weeks, the president has been warning repeatedly about the dangers posed by a caravan of mostly Central American migrants, which has swelled to an estimated 7,000 people and is continuing its slow trek north through Mexico.

Administration officials said last week that they were considering a plan to send up to 1,000 active duty troops to the border, but that deployment has increased to 5,000, according to the Department of Homeland Security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the plans before a formal announcement Monday afternoon.

The troops are not expected to conduct law enforcement activities, but instead provide backup support to Border Patrol agents manning the border.

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[ColtWalker1847]

The troops are not expected to conduct law enforcement activities

They can't. Posse Comitatus.

I guess they are there to provide surveillance and equipment.

 

[RodgerDodger]

They can't. Posse Comitatus.

I guess they are there to provide surveillance and equipment.

The Army is allowed to protect the borders. Posse Comitatus does not apply. It in fact is the most basic purpose for an Army.

 

[Doc Cassidy]

They can't. Posse Comitatus.

I guess they are there to provide surveillance and equipment.

The troops are not expected to conduct law enforcement activities, but instead provide backup support to Border Patrol agents manning the border.

 

[ES 148]

Is Trump trying to build a wall out of muscular military men? Not complaining, just intrigued

 

[mindlessobserver]

Yeah...Dunno if this is legal or not. Yet another grey area where Congress will happily give up more of its authority to the overweening power of the executive because they are too focused on getting reelected then doing the job they are actually elected to do.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Yeah...Dunno if this is legal or not. Yet another grey area where Congress will happily give up more of its authority to the overweening power of the executive because they are too focused on getting reelected then doing the job they are actually elected to do.

I'm sorry, did you just say that the President has to wait for Congressional approval to use the military to repel an invading force? Because that's asinine.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

The Army is allowed to protect the borders. Posse Comitatus does not apply. It in fact is the most basic purpose for an Army.

Against standing armies in a military role, yes. If this caravan was a column of Panzer IIIs and halftracks full of grenadiers you would be absolutely correct.

However, this is law enforcement detail. Specifically immigration law enforced against non-combatants. Posse Comitatus, which bars the US Army from acting in a law enforcement capacity inside the US, does apply. That means all law enforcement activities (i.e. detaining those who cross illegally) has to be carried out by their respective agencies, not the Army.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Yeah...Dunno if this is legal or not. Yet another grey area where Congress will happily give up more of its authority to the overweening power of the executive because they are too focused on getting reelected then doing the job they are actually elected to do.

It's not a grey area at all. No Nation in Civilizations HIstory has ever had an issue with using their armed forces to defend and secure their national borders. Using the Military against individual issolated illegal immigrants would be inappropriate. But this is an organized cohesive army of 10,000+ moving in mass to storm a sovereign border. One that has already forcibly breached the border of two other nations without leave and assaulted governmental personnel while doing so. This is what is legitimately considered a National Security and Sovereignty issue. Use of the Army is well within the executive purview under these circumstances.

 

[Magic Sun Daddy]

Is Trump trying to build a wall out of muscular military men? Not complaining, just aroused

FTFY

 

[ColtWalker1847]

It's not a grey area at all. No Nation in Civilizations HIstory has ever had an issue with using their armed forces to defend and secure their national borders. Using the Military against individual issolated illegal immigrants would be inappropriate. But this is an organized cohesive army of 10,000+ moving in mass to storm a sovereign border. One that has already forcibly breached the border of two other nations without leave and assaulted governmental personnel while doing so. This is what is legitimately considered a National Security and Sovereignty issue. Use of the Army is well within the executive purview under these circumstances.

Stop. They aren't an army. No amount of wishful thinking makes them an army. They have no uniforms. They have no weapons. They are not going to engage in combat.

They are non-combatants doing some Ghandi-type thing.

The law is very clear on who is to handle this. It isn't the Army.

 

[trigon]

Would it be too much to hope for the mass slaughter at the border to happen after the midterms?

 

[Sissy Galvez]

I'm sorry, did you just say that the President has to wait for Congressional approval to use the military to repel an invading force? Because that's asinine.

TBF it’s not an invading force, it’s a bunch of asylum seeking economic migrants being supported/herded by NGOs funded in part by Soros.

 

[mindlessobserver]

An invading army actually has a specific legal meaning. At a minimum the people have to be under arms and following some sort of directed hostile mission. A bunch of civilians storming over the border fence is not an armed invasion.

I'm sorry, did you just say that the President has to wait for Congressional approval to use the military to repel an invading force? Because that's asinine.

Yes, he does unless there is an overriding emergency that reaches the level of clear and present danger. This shit has been a slow moving train wreck for a month now. More then enough time for Congress to pass a resolution authorizing the Army to deploy in a law enforcement role. But again we are more then happy to weaken the constitutional separation of powers in the name of political expediency.

The President has the authority to use the military within the parameters set out by Congress. Anything outside those parameters (and this is outside them) requires Congress to act before the President can do anything. Be it invade Mexico, or use the Army to halt a migrant caravan. We have been chipping away at it for years now though. We used the 2001 war on terror authorization to send troops to the Central African Republic, so why the fuck not come up with equally amorphous justification to use the Army as border police.

 

[QI 541]

B-b-but Trump can't do that, a forum dedicated to stalking an autistic retard told me so!

 

[Tranhuviya]

Trump is going to make FEMA death camps real.

 

[Draza]

Like this.

 

[RG 448]

I feel that much safer knowing Trump will make sure nobody without a caucasian heritage gets into our country.

 

[Kirito]

Hopefully they're authorized to act with lethal force. I'll be disappointed if any less than 10% of these invaders end up dead but I'm hoping they all die.

 

[Maxliam]

Stop. They aren't an army. No amount of wishful thinking makes them an army. They have no uniforms. They have no weapons. They are not going to engage in combat.

They are non-combatants doing some Ghandi-type thing.

The law is very clear on who is to handle this. It isn't the Army.

I'm okay with the military having a border guard function. Other countries do it.

Would it be too much to hope for the mass slaughter at the border to happen after the midterms?

I am hoping for a bloody November. Honduran are trash mammals. Everyone knows that.

TBF it’s not an invading force, it’s a bunch of asylum seeking economic migrants being supported/herded by NGOs funded in part by Soros.

They're going to take jobs from Americans and bleed us further. They're economic terrorists.

Trump is going to make FEMA death camps real.

I surely hope so.

Hopefully they're authorized to act with lethal force. I'll be disappointed if any less than 10% of these invaders end up dead but I'm hoping they all die.

I think they should open fire on anyone who comes within 500 meters of the border.