🦊 Furry Trish Henderson / Adiago / Spacedrake Designs / Sevva-Phoenix - Furry artist who claims to be both Poly, and Monogamous with insane paranoia about people stealing their mediocre, ripped-off artwork.

[SorrynotsorryAdiago]

So, Trish is having the gall to talk about other's people's drakes like she owns them and can write their lore for them. She talks about Persi and Vigil openly here and can only guess what she means by 'having to put corrupted drakes down.'



I wonder if they were brought up because of this new referencesheet Iven has made for Hiro. From what I can see now much was changed minus more scars, eye colour and on the sfw version his hair goes all the way down his back.

Spoiler: NSFW

Her once again talking about how she was 'forced to make Damien female' among other characters.



This piece doesn't look like her artstyle which makes me wonder if she has someone redlining for her now.

 

[Pukebucket]

So, Trish is having the gall to talk about other's people's drakes like she owns them and can write their lore for them. She talks about Persi and Vigil openly here and can only guess what she means by 'having to put corrupted drakes down.'

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I wonder if they were brought up because of this new referencesheet Iven has made for Hiro. From what I can see now much was changed minus more scars, eye colour and on the sfw version his hair goes all the way down his back.

Spoiler: NSFW

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Her once again talking about how she was 'forced to make Damien female' among other characters.

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This piece doesn't look like her artstyle which makes me wonder if she has someone redlining for her now.

The character rundown is very amusing, because it very clearly displays her history of concept theft and hypocrisy.

No mention that Kisu's design was pulled from Kyttenish and Rikutida's old work;
that she eyeballed dragonmares from Jennadelle and Schkyzm for Adiago and Elegy;
Auril's aping of Caltroplay and others, and same with Marina of course;
she claims she wishes she hadn't gotten rid of Hatchi (who, let's not forget, was her siblingfuck fantasy character back when she drew twincest);
Fern's newest design iteration still looks like a black-and-white sketch of Shinerai's sona;
and her current drakes are, as we are all aware, lifted from Adjot.

Once again, her artistic style and capability jumps all over the fucking place in both quality and style over the years, and there really isn't any sense of organic growth to her artistic development. One minute she's eyeballing old ravepunk furries, another she's going for some Goodbye Volcano High animu shit, another she's doing extremely soft lines and colorshading, and now she's just doing the same shit every other furry does with altering line length and nondescript hair "tufts" that hide bad anatomy. I know she'd probably claim that that's her being versatile or whatever, but she barely actually improved. If anything, her shading/painting has gotten more smeared and sloppy n a way that honestly looks like oldschool dodge-and-burn with contrast filters bumped up.

Ranting aside; remember her new, blue Persi redesign? Yeah, that's Rika now.

"Idk why I made (Rika) red. I've always hated red. So now, she is blue."
How predictable. I guess she got sick of people pointing out that Rika's original color pattern looked fucking awful and her dyed hair was a dead giveaway to her days of ripping off grunge furries.

 

[Pukebucket]

Some new stuff over the past month.

Adiago recently tried to weasel into another hashtag for promotion. No mention as to why her following dropped, of course.

She once again redesigned the icons that were originally intended for Raven and her husband.

As well as celebrated her and Meg's 1 year anniversary. That background looks like a stock photo once again.

Designed a green drake (with blue eyes of fucking course) because I guess she got tired of people pointing out that she only ever draws blue drakes.

"Ugh can you believe the guy I tried to bully into suicide when he was a teenager is still warning people about me? What a stalker!"

More on the "stalker" who was just warning people not to do business with a known scammer and abusive individual. Slitha is going to be another victim I bet.

Nice to see that people still recognize Adiago's reputation for what it is, despite her attempts to play the victim.

 

[Baphomet_Chan]

Apparently she admits that the characters in her "books" are all self-inserts of herself.

 

[Pukebucket]

Another baby update on Adiago. Nothing super entertaining lately, I'm afraid.

Still posting art of her fursona crying in public, even if it isn't out of making a spectacle of misery this time. Linkin Park joke there somewhere.

She's blurring out parts of her DA gallery to anyone not directly watching her, not that it matters since it's full of shit she's posting on Twitter and Weasyl.

She's gone so far into ripping off Snowskau/Adjot that she's started keysmashing her titles in a similar fashion...?

LizardLogics was sneakily deleted not too long ago, with no additional posts after it was called out as belonging to Adiago.

 

[BoobWhiskers]

Small update re. the drama with Ravensmoon, apparently there was a major chargeback/crediting/DMCA kerfuffle. Posting quick before dinner so I dont have a tl;dr but enjoy.

 

[Apex]

Adiago seems to be keeping herself rather low on drama, which is concerning for her. Since we all know how much of a drama whore she is. I stand corrected... She's posted having to get her two cents in.

Small update re. the drama with Ravensmoon, apparently there was a major chargeback/crediting/DMCA kerfuffle. Posting quick before dinner so I dont have a tl;dr but enjoy.

TL;DR for the link
Efsher notices Ravens edited out the credits she put on Eclipse's reference sheet, she did not like said edit because it goes against furaffinity policy, is extremely disrespectful to Adiago (Who Efsher is on good terms with, or "good friends" as Adiago says), and also attempts to drag Efsher into drama, when Efsher wants nothing to do with it. Efsher private messages Ravens, with Ravens reading, said message. When that doesn't work Efsher goes and asks furaffinity staff to remove the SFW and NSFW images because she doesn't want this huge target on her back caused by Ravens. Ravens sees this and throws a huge tantrum taking to Paypal to attempt a chargeback because Efsher didn't want her to edit out the credits she gave to Adiago, being the creator of said species that Eclipse is.

Like I said before, if Ravens wants to be done with Adiago, why does she keep poking at her? She has gotten multiple pieces of artwork to poke at the bear, changed Eclipse's colors, rewrote Adiago's lore, and much more. She should know by now that would just keep Adiago on her ass.

Furaffinity policy about crediting. It clearly states in both paragraphs that all copyright holders must be cited in the description of the submission. While yes Adiago is batshit crazy and probably shouldn't even be spoken of, it isn't right to not credit because of your own spitefulness. All artists/commissioners know this as a fact.

Unfortunately I doubt the OP of this thread is ever going to be remade. Teal N' Aqua Sci Fi seems to've only signed up to shittalk Adiago, and since the thread didn't get any immediate traction it doesn't seem like they've signed in or interacted with the site at all since. Sort of wondering who T N'A is because of that, actually, and if they have a personal beef with Adiago as an individual, but I don't think it's worth bothering to look into them at this time.

I've mauled over this statement ever since I saw this. I didn't agree with Puke not looking further into it, because you can clearly see the hatred, and so started my own investigation now I feel like I've collected enough info.

In my own opinion, this thread was just made to fuel Raven's hate and also sit as somewhat of a "but I'm a saint" persona. I refused to believe that Adiago was the only one at fault in this whole slap box. Adiago, while yes a Lolcow has just turned her back doing the plug her ears 'lalala' action and only posting about Ravens after: Ravens started changing Eclipse's design (without permission, because "she's non-canon anyway."), getting multiple art pieces (yet seems to have totally shifted focus ever since Adiago has not paid her any mind), started dating Adiago's old ex-boyfriend Hiro (Oh that ended or at least on standby), compiling a list of Adiago's old friends and starting a furaffinity page with "new drake" lore Just me archiving it, and started to not credit Adiago as the creator of the Drake species and all of her hate group (which is still against furaffinity policy).
Adiago is actually handling this drama better than Ravens, because so far she's just been radio silent or blabbing about things non-related to the furry community, besides the callout post. Ravens started an Adiago hate discord, possibly this whole thread, not letting the old friends of Adiago just drop the Drake species (proof below), and lurked on here under SorrynotSorry, Tealshepard, and Teal N' Aqua Scifi. My evidence (also posted below) is all of the profile photos are somehow some art of Adiago's and they seem to only rise from the grave when something personal is posted about them and how these accounts all have some inner evidence/proof/descriptions.


By inner evidence I mean, how did SorrynotSorry know Ivy's drake was called "The trash drake"? I've hunted high and low for this and could find no evidence of it from Ivy herself or from Adiago's own posts (and we all know how much she overshares.) The most recent post I can find with Adiago ever posting about Persi being a "trash drake" is one from all the way from July 8th. SorrynotSorry was posting this trash drake info with plenty of extra details about Ivy June 18th. SorrynotSorry somehow knew Ivy was reworking Persi's reference, Persi's backstory, and Ivy getting served a DMCA. I found this rather fishy.



Ivy posting in the description of her Persi updated reference saying she doesn't really want to do this, but Ravens threw money in her face to update the Drake she just wants to throw away. Also the extra drake art she drew. Oh and how she doesn't accept drake art from other people but will do it for the Adiago hate group. That statement is under Hiro's drake reference.


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Whew! Guys, I'm out of breath from all of this.

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[Lion]

Small update re. the drama with Ravensmoon, apparently there was a major chargeback/crediting/DMCA kerfuffle. Posting quick before dinner so I dont have a tl;dr but enjoy.

so i checked out the original and the edit, and i’m not seeing what the artist is claiming?

 

[Apex]

so i checked out the original and the edit, and i’m not seeing what the artist is claiming?

Look under the character's name Eclipse. In the original it says "Non-canon Abyss Drake Species by Adiago" Edited she just took that all out and it says "Abyss Drake Banded Striped Pattern + Speckle"

In my above post, I mentioned how not crediting the creators of said species is against furaffinity policy and also explained further as to why Efsher did not want Ravens to edit out the credits given.

 

[Lion]

Look under the character's name Eclipse. In the original it says "Non-canon Abyss Drake Species by Adiago" Edited she just took that all out and it says "Abyss Drake Banded Striped Pattern + Speckle"

In my above post, I mentioned how not crediting the creators of said species is against furaffinity policy and also explained further as to why Efsher did not want Ravens to edit out the credits given.

oh i was looking by the characters feet at the other character info and the artists watermark.
raven sure fucked up trying to wiggle her way into getting what she wants, should have left it alone if she wanted to continue using adiagos original donut steal hairlizards. hopefully the artist wins the dispute.

 

[Uncle Warren]

Adiago seems to be keeping herself rather low on drama, which is concerning for her. Since we all know how much of a drama whore she is. I stand corrected... She's posted having to get her two cents in.
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TL;DR for the link
Efsher notices Ravens edited out the credits she put on Eclipse's reference sheet, she did not like said edit because it goes against furaffinity policy, is extremely disrespectful to Adiago (Who Efsher is on good terms with, or "good friends" as Adiago says), and also attempts to drag Efsher into drama, when Efsher wants nothing to do with it. Efsher private messages Ravens, with Ravens reading, said message. When that doesn't work Efsher goes and asks furaffinity staff to remove the SFW and NSFW images because she doesn't want this huge target on her back caused by Ravens. Ravens sees this and throws a huge tantrum taking to Paypal to attempt a chargeback because Efsher didn't want her to edit out the credits she gave to Adiago, being the creator of said species that Eclipse is.

Like I said before, if Ravens wants to be done with Adiago, why does she keep poking at her? She has gotten multiple pieces of artwork to poke at the bear, changed Eclipse's colors, rewrote Adiago's lore, and much more. She should know by now that would just keep Adiago on her ass.

Furaffinity policy about crediting. It clearly states in both paragraphs that all copyright holders must be cited in the description of the submission. While yes Adiago is batshit crazy and probably shouldn't even be spoken of, it isn't right to not credit because of your own spitefulness. All artists/commissioners know this as a fact.
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I've mauled over this statement ever since I saw this. I didn't agree with Puke not looking further into it, because you can clearly see the hatred, and so started my own investigation now I feel like I've collected enough info.

In my own opinion, this thread was just made to fuel Raven's hate and also sit as somewhat of a "but I'm a saint" persona. I refused to believe that Adiago was the only one at fault in this whole slap box. Adiago, while yes a Lolcow has just turned her back doing the plug her ears 'lalala' action and only posting about Ravens after: Ravens started changing Eclipse's design (without permission, because "she's non-canon anyway."), getting multiple art pieces (yet seems to have totally shifted focus ever since Adiago has not paid her any mind), started dating Adiago's old ex-boyfriend Hiro (Oh that ended or at least on standby), compiling a list of Adiago's old friends and starting a furaffinity page with "new drake" lore Just me archiving it, and started to not credit Adiago as the creator of the Drake species and all of her hate group (which is still against furaffinity policy).
Adiago is actually handling this drama better than Ravens, because so far she's just been radio silent or blabbing about things non-related to the furry community, besides the callout post. Ravens started an Adiago hate discord, possibly this whole thread, not letting the old friends of Adiago just drop the Drake species (proof below), and lurked on here under SorrynotSorry, Tealshepard, and Teal N' Aqua Scifi. My evidence (also posted below) is all of the profile photos are somehow some art of Adiago's and they seem to only rise from the grave when something personal is posted about them and how these accounts all have some inner evidence/proof/descriptions.


By inner evidence I mean, how did SorrynotSorry know Ivy's drake was called "The trash drake"? I've hunted high and low for this and could find no evidence of it from Ivy herself or from Adiago's own posts (and we all know how much she overshares.) The most recent post I can find with Adiago ever posting about Persi being a "trash drake" is one from all the way from July 8th. SorrynotSorry was posting this trash drake info with plenty of extra details about Ivy June 18th. SorrynotSorry somehow knew Ivy was reworking Persi's reference, Persi's backstory, and Ivy getting served a DMCA. I found this rather fishy.
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Ivy posting in the description of her Persi updated reference saying she doesn't really want to do this, but Ravens threw money in her face to update the Drake she just wants to throw away. Also the extra drake art she drew. Oh and how she doesn't accept drake art from other people but will do it for the Adiago hate group. That statement is under Hiro's drake reference.
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Whew! Guys, I'm out of breath from all of this.

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This is either a wall of autistic conspiracy shit, or we really do have an insider who's fingers are deep into the shithole.
@SorrynotsorryAdiago @TheTealShepherd care to explain?

 

[Pukebucket]

Adiago seems to be keeping herself rather low on drama, which is concerning for her. Since we all know how much of a drama whore she is. I stand corrected... She's posted having to get her two cents in.
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TL;DR for the link
Efsher notices Ravens edited out the credits she put on Eclipse's reference sheet, she did not like said edit because it goes against furaffinity policy, is extremely disrespectful to Adiago (Who Efsher is on good terms with, or "good friends" as Adiago says), and also attempts to drag Efsher into drama, when Efsher wants nothing to do with it. Efsher private messages Ravens, with Ravens reading, said message. When that doesn't work Efsher goes and asks furaffinity staff to remove the SFW and NSFW images because she doesn't want this huge target on her back caused by Ravens. Ravens sees this and throws a huge tantrum taking to Paypal to attempt a chargeback because Efsher didn't want her to edit out the credits she gave to Adiago, being the creator of said species that Eclipse is.

Like I said before, if Ravens wants to be done with Adiago, why does she keep poking at her? She has gotten multiple pieces of artwork to poke at the bear, changed Eclipse's colors, rewrote Adiago's lore, and much more. She should know by now that would just keep Adiago on her ass.

Furaffinity policy about crediting. It clearly states in both paragraphs that all copyright holders must be cited in the description of the submission. While yes Adiago is batshit crazy and probably shouldn't even be spoken of, it isn't right to not credit because of your own spitefulness. All artists/commissioners know this as a fact.
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I've mauled over this statement ever since I saw this. I didn't agree with Puke not looking further into it, because you can clearly see the hatred, and so started my own investigation now I feel like I've collected enough info.

In my own opinion, this thread was just made to fuel Raven's hate and also sit as somewhat of a "but I'm a saint" persona. I refused to believe that Adiago was the only one at fault in this whole slap box. Adiago, while yes a Lolcow has just turned her back doing the plug her ears 'lalala' action and only posting about Ravens after: Ravens started changing Eclipse's design (without permission, because "she's non-canon anyway."), getting multiple art pieces (yet seems to have totally shifted focus ever since Adiago has not paid her any mind), started dating Adiago's old ex-boyfriend Hiro (Oh that ended or at least on standby), compiling a list of Adiago's old friends and starting a furaffinity page with "new drake" lore Just me archiving it, and started to not credit Adiago as the creator of the Drake species and all of her hate group (which is still against furaffinity policy).
Adiago is actually handling this drama better than Ravens, because so far she's just been radio silent or blabbing about things non-related to the furry community, besides the callout post. Ravens started an Adiago hate discord, possibly this whole thread, not letting the old friends of Adiago just drop the Drake species (proof below), and lurked on here under SorrynotSorry, Tealshepard, and Teal N' Aqua Scifi. My evidence (also posted below) is all of the profile photos are somehow some art of Adiago's and they seem to only rise from the grave when something personal is posted about them and how these accounts all have some inner evidence/proof/descriptions.


By inner evidence I mean, how did SorrynotSorry know Ivy's drake was called "The trash drake"? I've hunted high and low for this and could find no evidence of it from Ivy herself or from Adiago's own posts (and we all know how much she overshares.) The most recent post I can find with Adiago ever posting about Persi being a "trash drake" is one from all the way from July 8th. SorrynotSorry was posting this trash drake info with plenty of extra details about Ivy June 18th. SorrynotSorry somehow knew Ivy was reworking Persi's reference, Persi's backstory, and Ivy getting served a DMCA. I found this rather fishy.
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Ivy posting in the description of her Persi updated reference saying she doesn't really want to do this, but Ravens threw money in her face to update the Drake she just wants to throw away. Also the extra drake art she drew. Oh and how she doesn't accept drake art from other people but will do it for the Adiago hate group. That statement is under Hiro's drake reference.
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Whew! Guys, I'm out of breath from all of this.

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Once again there's more bullshit going on behind the scenes. Good digging OP.

I was wondering why Raven had nuked her favorites not too long ago as well but just assumed she was sick of people combing through her gallery to find more digs at Adiago, as well as her and Exterio and Hiro not commissioning as much drake porn as they had been before. Now we know why.

As for Raven providing credit; I can understand her reluctance to do so given their history and how Adi tends to operate, especially as Adiago had lifted so heavily from other artists like Adjot in the first place. Regardless, you're right in pointing out that it's against FA rules and common decency to do this to another artist; while I also think that such a statement is worth it's weight in protest against an artist who is as morally bankrupt as Adiago can be, Efsher themselves did nothing wrong and Raven attempting to bully others into going along with her dumb drama war by throwing money at them (or rescinding money if they have their own firm boundaries on crediting rules, as is currently the case with Efsher) is really a shitty thing to do. That's not protesting against Adiago's own behavior, it's forcing other people to side with you when they might not even be either aware or willing to pick a side due to prior affiliation. All Raven had to fucking do was upload the commissions with the credit, or change the name of her offshoot branch of the species (see; Angel Dragons and DADs).

Spoiler: Personal thunk on the matter

Regarding Adiago handling the drama better though, I'd personally contest this statement. She's gone out of her way plenty of times to call out Raven on Twitter long before she did the DMCA against Efsher, nevermind all the shit with FireFox, her contest and dog scams, and her decades of abuse against other artists and commissioners. She might not be as obvious about what she does anymore, since she's gone through this trial by fire a dozen times by now, but she is incapable of really keeping her nose out of trouble for long. Even if she gets bored of bothering Raven, then that typically just means she's found someone else to get her supply of narc fuel from.

Raven being shitty doesn't cancel out Adiago's own history of being an asshole; Adiago attempting to steal back a character Raven paid thousands of dollars for in art just because Raven wanted it to be slightly more grey than blue and Adiago couldn't have that for whatever contrived reason is what apparently kicked off this entire shit-show in the first place. It definitely doesn't excuse Raven's behavior, which is qualifying her as a fucking lolcow at this point, but there's a reason Adiago's name is here and elsewhere for this exact shit.

It also should not escape anyone's notice that despite the AB being posted on behalf of Efsher, Adiago is making it all about herself in her tweets about it. There is some paltry support for Efsher of course, but Adiago is still using the callout as a means of voicing her own personal grievances with Raven, particularly with the "she steals characters and species" note at the bottom of Adi's statement. As far as I've seen, Adiago is the only person Raven has stolen a species or character from, and it was in direct opposition to getting fucked with for months. The DMCA is fairly new drama and most people who have heard it seem shocked Raven would actually do that; her reputation has been otherwise upstanding up until this drama with Adiago.

This is a tactic Adi has used before to claw her way back to relevance many times; she'll do some dumb bullshit that ruins her reputation, then waits until the drama dies down and one of her self-assigned enemies to fuck up at some point and then makes sure to point the finger at them about how she was right all along, playing them off as some secret cabal who were ruining her reputation for furry clout or whatever. She did this to Jennadelle, and Pranktail, and Mongler, and others. While what most of them did was shitty (Jennadelle traced, Pranktail failed to finish commissions, Mongler... was Mongler) I think it's very much a pot calling the kettle black scenario and a way for her to deflect drama away from herself by pretending that what she did wasn't terrible because "look, the people who hated me do it too!"

I'm also not sure I'd take Adiago's statement that Raven and Hiro have split at face value just yet either; they're both still on one another's FA profiles and, as both of their Twitter accounts are currently protected, there's no way to know what's going on on that front. Raven still has Hiro on her Twitter bio as well. Who knows, and I'm personally not taking Adiago's word on the inner workings of someone else's relationship, especially as she allegedly has a very vested interest in seeing Raven's relationship crash and burn.

As for the gay ops; Teal N' Aqua, Sorrynotsorry, and TealShepherd could be Raven, given their posting history and the fact they inserted themselves to the point of writing the OP and dumping most of the evidence; alternatively I suspected Sorrynotsorry might be Koachella, Pannekoeke, Firefox, or his new girl on an alt, but I have no evidence beyond wondering why someone has such a dedicated hateboner for a furry e-thot and has access to private convos and streams. I'm not as sure about TealShepherd being the same person as the other two though, given that their typing rhythm and posting habits were pretty different to Aqua and Sorry, unless Raven or whomever it is was dedicated enough to type like a completely different person in between posts and even argue with one another. This is always possible, but I have my doubts.

Teal N' Aqua and Sorrynotsorry, by comparison, have a lot of similarities in terms of how they capitalize, their grammar structure, and even the way they present evidence; the screencaps posted by Teal N' Aqua and the screencaps posted by Sorrynotsorry are all labelled as shit like DamienandKorroth.jpg or GettingPissyWhenAskedToGiveCredit.jpg or Adiagodoesntknowshit.png, with all the words and phrases mashed together with no spaces or additions, with exceptions being numbers added for images that are posted in sequence. It suggests to me that they could be getting their screencaps from the same source, or that they are the same source.

Or it could be purely coincidental. But given how much gay ops and pozloading my neghole this thread has devolved into, I'm somewhat doubtful that's the case.

At this point I almost wonder if the thread shouldn't just be locked until we get a new OP and can figure out how many people are here fucking around as bad actors. It kind of pisses me off that there seems to be like three actual people here and upwards of a dozen socks fucking around in this thread at any given time. @Meowthkip, thoughts?

 

[Uncle Warren]

At this point I almost wonder if the thread shouldn't just be locked until we get a new OP

There are several threads here, including the Drama general, that have devolved into gayops, rage baiting, and stupid furry shit you'd see from lulz.net. Why would this one need to be locked?

 

[Pukebucket]

There are several threads here, including the Drama general, that have devolved into gayops, rage baiting, and stupid furry shit you'd see from lulz.net. Why would this one need to be locked?

Fair enough. I was mostly considering it since there was talk recently about closing down the Glitchedpuppet thread to purge some of the bullshit going on there that was happening in a similar vein (pozloading the neghole, gay ops, consistent sock puppeteering) so I was mostly wondering whether this shit would cause Null to descend down from on high to nuke the thread since it's very clear he's sick of that kind of shit, or if it wouldn't just be better to do that before he shows up to ask what the fuck is going on.

That said, this thread is probably not a high priority for that shit.

 

[Apex]

Spoiler: Personal thunk on the matter

Regarding Adiago handling the drama better though, I'd personally contest this statement. She's gone out of her way plenty of times to call out Raven on Twitter long before she did the DMCA against Efsher, nevermind all the shit with FireFox, her contest and dog scams, and her decades of abuse against other artists and commissioners. She might not be as obvious about what she does anymore, since she's gone through this trial by fire a dozen times by now, but she is incapable of really keeping her nose out of trouble for long. Even if she gets bored of bothering Raven, then that typically just means she's found someone else to get her supply of narc fuel from.

Raven being shitty doesn't cancel out Adiago's own history of being an asshole; Adiago attempting to steal back a character Raven paid thousands of dollars for in art just because Raven wanted it to be slightly more grey than blue and Adiago couldn't have that for whatever contrived reason is what apparently kicked off this entire shit-show in the first place. It definitely doesn't excuse Raven's behavior, which is qualifying her as a fucking lolcow at this point, but there's a reason Adiago's name is here and elsewhere for this exact shit.

It also should not escape anyone's notice that despite the AB being posted on behalf of Efsher, Adiago is making it all about herself in her tweets about it. There is some paltry support for Efsher of course, but Adiago is still using the callout as a means of voicing her own personal grievances with Raven, particularly with the "she steals characters and species" note at the bottom of Adi's statement. As far as I've seen, Adiago is the only person Raven has stolen a species or character from, and it was in direct opposition to getting fucked with for months. The DMCA is fairly new drama and most people who have heard it seem shocked Raven would actually do that; her reputation has been otherwise upstanding up until this drama with Adiago.

This is a tactic Adi has used before to claw her way back to relevance many times; she'll do some dumb bullshit that ruins her reputation, then waits until the drama dies down and one of her self-assigned enemies to fuck up at some point and then makes sure to point the finger at them about how she was right all along, playing them off as some secret cabal who were ruining her reputation for furry clout or whatever. She did this to Jennadelle, and Pranktail, and Mongler, and others. While what most of them did was shitty (Jennadelle traced, Pranktail failed to finish commissions, Mongler... was Mongler) I think it's very much a pot calling the kettle black scenario and a way for her to deflect drama away from herself by pretending that what she did wasn't terrible because "look, the people who hated me do it too!"

I'm also not sure I'd take Adiago's statement that Raven and Hiro have split at face value just yet either; they're both still on one another's FA profiles and, as both of their Twitter accounts are currently protected, there's no way to know what's going on on that front. Raven still has Hiro on her Twitter bio as well. Who knows, and I'm personally not taking Adiago's word on the inner workings of someone else's relationship, especially as she allegedly has a very vested interest in seeing Raven's relationship crash and burn.

As for the gay ops; Teal N' Aqua, Sorrynotsorry, and TealShepherd could be Raven, given their posting history and the fact they inserted themselves to the point of writing the OP and dumping most of the evidence; alternatively I suspected Sorrynotsorry might be Koachella, Pannekoeke, Firefox, or his new girl on an alt, but I have no evidence beyond wondering why someone has such a dedicated hateboner for a furry e-thot and has access to private convos and streams. I'm not as sure about TealShepherd being the same person as the other two though, given that their typing rhythm and posting habits were pretty different to Aqua and Sorry, unless Raven or whomever it is was dedicated enough to type like a completely different person in between posts and even argue with one another. This is always possible, but I have my doubts.

Teal N' Aqua and Sorrynotsorry, by comparison, have a lot of similarities in terms of how they capitalize, their grammar structure, and even the way they present evidence; the screencaps posted by Teal N' Aqua and the screencaps posted by Sorrynotsorry are all labelled as shit like DamienandKorroth.jpg or GettingPissyWhenAskedToGiveCredit.jpg or Adiagodoesntknowshit.png, with all the words and phrases mashed together with no spaces or additions, with exceptions being numbers added for images that are posted in sequence. It suggests to me that they could be getting their screencaps from the same source, or that they are the same source.

Or it could be purely coincidental. But given how much gay ops and pozloading my neghole this thread has devolved into, I'm somewhat doubtful that's the case.

At this point I almost wonder if the thread shouldn't just be locked until we get a new OP and can figure out how many people are here fucking around as bad actors. It kind of pisses me off that there seems to be like three actual people here and upwards of a dozen socks fucking around in this thread at any given time. @Meowthkip, thoughts?

I'm not trying to excuse Adiago's actions she is, by all means, just as guilty. I just noticed that this thread looked to have been run by someone from the inside of this furfag drama. Adiago always throwing the "Oh but look at what has happened to me" is just another form of her thinking she is relevant (Spoiler alert Adiago, you aren't).

You are right though. Adiago in her own self is just as mouthy and drama-filled, seems to me Ravens and Adiago are just two peas in a pod both chasing each other's tails.

About TealShepard, I can't think of a reasonable explanation Adiago would come on this thread and pull a JasonaFex. She can be dumb and outspoken, but to willingly jump on here with a tag that we can all identify as herself and then rat out someone that she doesn't have much beef (besides old server drama. But Adiago isn't coming on here to talk about server drama) with doesn't seem to match with me. Now Ravens pretending to be someone else, we all knowing she has some beef with KBQ, and seeing the screenshots where she was obsessed with finding out if the MilkShake person was KBQ (Plus the screenshot where she actually said she didn't have the passwords to SorryNotSorry but her boyfriend, Orien, did and she was just a reviewer) was an interesting turn of events. Mostly since how did TealShepard know about the Gearfox events? Besides that one post but even then if anyone even read the description it was clearly stated that it wasn't a rip-off and they messaged Adjot about using his creations.

Like this message the first thing TheTealShepard does is jump straight onto KBQ no second thought. Also, so you know about private DM drama, is that not suspicious and you seem to keep up a lot with what KBQ is doing. (Page 29 so I don't forget where this post is)

the person who keeps pozloading my neghole is the one who always has lunahasawa996/ pusheen/queenkittyblob etc LOL

you can scroll through her twitter and see how shes inserting herself in every conversation involving adi and made an offshoot abyss- adjot drake that she tookover with gearfox after adi make her sperge and leave her server because according to adiago, valleria didnt keep their conversation private and shes had a grudge since.

while taking shots i realized it may also have to do with her being friends with manders

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35138422/ https://www.furaffinity.net/view/35638247/ https://www.furaffinity.net/view/36520550/

Which you were in the server when this all went down? So you have some form of connection to Adiago too, just like KBQ.

im just a lurker of the farms who got tired of seeing you constantly messaging her and starting shit instead of learning your lesson the first time cudly called you out, i know of the whole server fiasco because i was in it when it went down and adi posted screenshots of you getting upset and know people that keep an eye on this bullshit

After that TealShepard disappears never to be seen again and outcomes Ravens on her Delirium account ranting about how "a friend told her she may have been outed on here". Okay, what friend? You admit that someone is watching this thread and basically playing around in the same shit.

Jesus Christ... The sock puppets on this thread are truly funny. The lengths furries will go just to try and clear their name makes me laugh. I could be wrong on this all, but with the screenshots that were thrown around by KBQ after the TealShepard drama and then like Puke pointed out all of the similarities of grammar I highly doubt it.


Also found this out on my search back. Kind of odd how they both use the same excuse of, "I'm just a lurker". Maybe me being nitpicky.



Edit: While going through the forum, I also noticed how Teal edited their post, but Milkshake caught the original. You can see from above the post (It's the one with the red. I don't feel like putting it again.) Below is the one Milkshake caught and the phrase that has been edited out. It just seems like Ravens being obsessed with KBQ to me and going on rampages to out anyone she thinks is KBQ.

 

[Uncle Warren]

Fair enough. I was mostly considering it since there was talk recently about closing down the Glitchedpuppet thread to purge some of the bullshit going on there that was happening in a similar vein (pozloading the neghole, gay ops, consistent sock puppeteering) so I was mostly wondering whether this shit would cause Null to descend down from on high to nuke the thread since it's very clear he's sick of that kind of shit, or if it wouldn't just be better to do that before he shows up to ask what the fuck is going on.

That said, this thread is probably not a high priority for that shit.

I have only seen Null in AC twice. Once when my halal was active, and once when the zoosadist gig happened. It would have to be a really big event to make him come here.

 

[Pukebucket]

I'm not trying to excuse Adiago's actions she is, by all means, just as guilty. I just noticed that this thread looked to have been run by someone from the inside of this furfag drama. Adiago always throwing the "Oh but look at what has happened to me" is just another form of her thinking she is relevant (Spoiler alert Adiago, you aren't).

You are right though. Adiago in her own self is just as mouthy and drama-filled, seems to me Ravens and Adiago are just two peas in a pod both chasing each other's tails.

About TealShepard, I can't think of a reasonable explanation Adiago would come on this thread and pull a JasonaFex. She can be dumb and outspoken, but to willingly jump on here with a tag that we can all identify as herself and then rat out someone that she doesn't have much beef (besides old server drama. But Adiago isn't coming on here to talk about server drama) with doesn't seem to match with me. Now Ravens pretending to be someone else, we all knowing she has some beef with KBQ, and seeing the screenshots where she was obsessed with finding out if the MilkShake person was KBQ (Plus the screenshot where she actually said she didn't have the passwords to SorryNotSorry but her boyfriend, Orien, did and she was just a reviewer) was an interesting turn of events. Mostly since how did TealShepard know about the Gearfox events? Besides that one post but even then if anyone even read the description it was clearly stated that it wasn't a rip-off and they messaged Adjot about using his creations.

Like this message the first thing TheTealShepard does is jump straight onto KBQ no second thought. Also, so you know about private DM drama, is that not suspicious and you seem to keep up a lot with what KBQ is doing. (Page 29 so I don't forget where this post is)


Which you were in the server when this all went down? So you have some form of connection to Adiago too, just like KBQ.


After that TealShepard disappears never to be seen again and outcomes Ravens on her Delirium account ranting about how "a friend told her she may have been outed on here". Okay, what friend? You admit that someone is watching this thread and basically playing around in the same shit.

Jesus Christ... The sock puppets on this thread are truly funny. The lengths furries will go just to try and clear their name makes me laugh. I could be wrong on this all, but with the screenshots that were thrown around by KBQ after the TealShepard drama and then like Puke pointed out all of the similarities of grammar I highly doubt it.


Also found this out on my search back. Kind of odd how they both use the same excuse of, "I'm just a lurker". Maybe me being nitpicky.
Ver archivo adjunto 1511065Ver archivo adjunto 1511066


Edit: While going through the forum, I also noticed how Teal edited their post, but Milkshake caught the original. You can see from above the post (It's the one with the red. I don't feel like putting it again.) Below is the one Milkshake caught and the phrase that has been edited out. It just seems like Ravens being obsessed with KBQ to me and going on rampages to out anyone she thinks is KBQ.
Ver archivo adjunto 1511098

I'm not trying to excuse Adiago's actions she is, by all means, just as guilty. I just noticed that this thread looked to have been run by someone from the inside of this furfag drama. Adiago always throwing the "Oh but look at what has happened to me" is just another form of her thinking she is relevant (Spoiler alert Adiago, you aren't).

You are right though. Adiago in her own self is just as mouthy and drama-filled, seems to me Ravens and Adiago are just two peas in a pod both chasing each other's tails.

I know dude.
I wasn't trying to throw shade at you to clarify, I just wanted to add that note in case someone comes in here and decides that our current discussion of Raven's present behavior would somehow nullify 30+ pages of Adiago's nonsense or that we were flipping our focus or some other shit. If Raven proves to be a lolcow she might get her own thread or be documented here; but Adiago should remain the focus of this thread since, well, her name is on it.

Anyway, back to game theory I guess. I think the biggest question as to whether or not TealShepherd is Adiago is the fact that Adi hasn't really felt the need to clear the air about it at all. She has people trawling the thread consistently enough so she can have tweet material, so you'd think she'd make a statement about whether some rando on KF is impersonating her or not... before someone here points it out anyway, since that's typically my baseline for how long it takes for her to genuinely respond to anything in her own words rather than being forced to make a PR statement in her own defense. Being openly on KF is typically a bad look in furry circles, after all. At the very least it's likely one of her orbiters coming here to fuck about on her behalf; either Val or Retro are likely contenders in my opinion, especially if TealShep was allegedly in the server at the time shit went down.

TealShep does have valid reasons for believing that Milkshake and KBQ might be the same person, just based by shit that was happening here in the thread and on KF in general. I don't typically like dropping details of private conversations on KF since discretion is preferred by everyone, but since KBQ is continuing to be a distraction here I'll post my own perspectives and interaction with them and a bit of an explanation.

Spoiler: Book 1: KBQ and the Private Chat

Several users including myself were engaged in a private chat conversation that is long gone now here on KF; if anyone has screencaps they might be good by the way, I wasn't aware that these chats auto-delete after a certain period of inactivity so I've lost more than one important convo due to being a lazy ass and not archiving properly. Commence shit-flinging.

We were discussing the thread around the time it was first posted by Teal 'N Aqua and were considering whether to rewrite the trainwreck OP. This was while it was still in the Proving Grounds, before Null opted to obliterate that board and kicked the thread out into the wilds of Animal Control before we were able to wrangle it into something halfway presentable. KBQ began posting screencaps in the thread while we were still in discussion over what should be done with it, which I noticed and recommend that maybe she join the chat to help us grab evidence and archive.

(I feel sort of irritated by that now in retrospect, even though I had no way at the time of knowing how things would turn out; I just assumed she was just a former fan or interested third party who would be able to keep her info gathering discreet, but as we all know she engaged in gay ops on several occasions and chimped out when we told her publicly to knock it off. Had I known she was going to pull all this stupid bullshit I wouldn't have wasted my time inviting her to help with the thread as a main contributor.)

KBQ told us in her intro post that she had a friend who had been treated poorly by Adiago at some point when we all shared a brief explanation of our histories with Adi or lackthereof. KBQ was vague and didn't name her friend (unless I'm a moron who missed it somehow), and she mostly started with providing us screencaps taken from Adiago's galleries, to Patreon and other places that we didn't want to bother trying to gain access to (since that would require giving Adiago money), under the assumption that the reason KBQ had access to thee places was by being an ex-fan or associate. This worked well enough until eventually KBQ decided to go off and play gay ops against Adiago directly on her own rather than sticking with just archiving, starting with her posting fan art for Adi on DA to worm into her friend group or whatever to supposedly get better intel.

KBQ tried to play it off initially as something someone else was doing, in a "haha look, a random supporter : ) " sort of way, but it was pretty obvious it was her as she'd been the first person to mention it if I recall, and she was warned off from pozloading my neghole any further at that point. This is why when she did start doing it again months later in the main thread we got fed up and told her to respectfully get lost, and she seemingly started messing around with Adiago in earnest on her own ever since.

Spoiler: Book 2: KittyBlobQueen, Milkshakeboys, and the Sockpuppet Gang

... Except for when she has presumably come back here multiple times to try and worm her way back into providing evidence for the thread or whatever the fuck has been going on with some of these sock accounts. KBQ, Dramallama, SukMyDickAdiago, thesnackthatbitesback, and potentially Milkshakeboys were all using the exact same obscure screencap software called Lightshot as their primary means of saving and sharing images, rather than posting them to Imgur or uploading them directly here or using literally any other possible method.

According to KBQ way back in the chat, they had to use that particular software to take screengrabs because they were having issues with using archive and other image capturing software on their phone or tablet or whatever other device I don't remember they had at the time. KBQ got kicked for engaging in gay ops and things were quiet for a brief while until SukMyDick showed up and was immediately hostile towards other members because we "weren't doing enough" and "chased off a good contributor" (despite, you know, the fact they had been given two chances not to touch the doo-doo). Dramallama also only showed up directly before and then right after SukMyDick was getting booted off site for being KBQ, and then thesnackthatbitesback did the same thing once Dramallama2 was chased off. And then Milkshakeboys started posting, using the same screencap software (Lightshot) that all the others did initially, after which thesnackthatbitesback stopped posting as well. Since then, MSB has used other programs besides Lightshot, but their earlier posts still have it.

The odds of Milkshakeboys being KBQ is actually fairly tangible just by their activity on here and their posting habits, up to and including the grammatical errors that KBQ had (caused by typing on a mobile system) and MSB's (which admittedly reads more like Engrish than accidental spelling errors caused by sausage-fingers). Their posting behavior isn't entirely identical but the timeline is suspicious as hell, and the other sockpuppets regularly changed up their grammar and speaking habits in a bizarre fashion to try and hide the fact that they were all very likely the same person, sometimes even mid-socking; Milkshakeboys' earlier posts were way more clear and legible than their current posts, with fewer spelling errors from what I could see than their current typing habits.

Now we get to TealShep and the belief that KBQ/Luna/whomever the fuck they are has ties to Roro. We know Roro is a serial stalker and harasser. There's not much else to add. I don't personally believe KBQ or Milkshakeboys is Roro himself, to clarify; they were active on and off during the same times Roro was sure, but not in a manner that I consider suspect. If they were only logged in when he was, or only logged off when he was, then I'd suspect some fishy shit going on on that front. Additionally, Milkshake didn't seem to side with him at all during his repeated shit-shows in the thread, but wasn't outright hostile towards him either until Roro started going off the deep end and derailing the thread repeatedly. While that could've just been a play to get us to trust them, I'm rather doubtful this is the case. It's possible, however, that the "friend" KBQ initially claimed to've been wanting to help way back in the chat was Roro.

Personal Conclusion: I honestly have no idea dude, I've been up all night and my thoughts are slurry from sleep deprivation; anybody's guess as to what this shit means is as good as mine. The sockpuppets are coming from inside the house or something.

I have only seen Null in AC twice. Once when my halal was active, and once when the zoosadist gig happened. It would have to be a really big event to make him come here.

Null came into the Floraverse thread less than two weeks ago, slapped the magenta-colored cum-stained bed with a belt a few times and told us that if we didn't stop being naughty by letting users wander into Glitchpuppet's Pokeporn findom server he'd spank us, and then banned some users who had been playing e-trial in the Floraverse Discord to try and push Glip towards a redemption arc. (Or maybe Meowthkip banned them, I don't remember.)

 

[Milkshakeboys]

I know dude.
I wasn't trying to throw shade at you to clarify, I just wanted to add that note in case someone comes in here and decides that our current discussion of Raven's present behavior would somehow nullify 30+ pages of Adiago's nonsense or that we were flipping our focus or some other shit. If Raven proves to be a lolcow she might get her own thread or be documented here; but Adiago should remain the focus of this thread since, well, her name is on it.

Anyway, back to game theory I guess. I think the biggest question as to whether or not TealShepherd is Adiago is the fact that Adi hasn't really felt the need to clear the air about it at all. She has people trawling the thread consistently enough so she can have tweet material, so you'd think she'd make a statement about whether some rando on KF is impersonating her or not... before someone here points it out anyway, since that's typically my baseline for how long it takes for her to genuinely respond to anything in her own words rather than being forced to make a PR statement in her own defense. Being openly on KF is typically a bad look in furry circles, after all. At the very least it's likely one of her orbiters coming here to fuck about on her behalf; either Val or Retro are likely contenders in my opinion, especially if TealShep was allegedly in the server at the time shit went down.

TealShep does have valid reasons for believing that Milkshake and KBQ might be the same person, just based by shit that was happening here in the thread and on KF in general. I don't typically like dropping details of private conversations on KF since discretion is preferred by everyone, but since KBQ is continuing to be a distraction here I'll post my own perspectives and interaction with them and a bit of an explanation.

Spoiler: Book 1: KBQ and the Private Chat

Several users including myself were engaged in a private chat conversation that is long gone now here on KF; if anyone has screencaps they might be good by the way, I wasn't aware that these chats auto-delete after a certain period of inactivity so I've lost more than one important convo due to being a lazy ass and not archiving properly. Commence shit-flinging.

We were discussing the thread around the time it was first posted by Teal 'N Aqua and were considering whether to rewrite the trainwreck OP. This was while it was still in the Proving Grounds, before Null opted to obliterate that board and kicked the thread out into the wilds of Animal Control before we were able to wrangle it into something halfway presentable. KBQ began posting screencaps in the thread while we were still in discussion over what should be done with it, which I noticed and recommend that maybe she join the chat to help us grab evidence and archive.

(I feel sort of irritated by that now in retrospect, even though I had no way at the time of knowing how things would turn out; I just assumed she was just a former fan or interested third party who would be able to keep her info gathering discreet, but as we all know she engaged in gay ops on several occasions and chimped out when we told her publicly to knock it off. Had I known she was going to pull all this stupid bullshit I wouldn't have wasted my time inviting her to help with the thread as a main contributor.)

KBQ told us in her intro post that she had a friend who had been treated poorly by Adiago at some point when we all shared a brief explanation of our histories with Adi or lackthereof. KBQ was vague and didn't name her friend (unless I'm a moron who missed it somehow), and she mostly started with providing us screencaps taken from Adiago's galleries, to Patreon and other places that we didn't want to bother trying to gain access to (since that would require giving Adiago money), under the assumption that the reason KBQ had access to thee places was by being an ex-fan or associate. This worked well enough until eventually KBQ decided to go off and play gay ops against Adiago directly on her own rather than sticking with just archiving, starting with her posting fan art for Adi on DA to worm into her friend group or whatever to supposedly get better intel.

KBQ tried to play it off initially as something someone else was doing, in a "haha look, a random supporter : ) " sort of way, but it was pretty obvious it was her as she'd been the first person to mention it if I recall, and she was warned off from pozloading my neghole any further at that point. This is why when she did start doing it again months later in the main thread we got fed up and told her to respectfully get lost, and she seemingly started messing around with Adiago in earnest on her own ever since.

Spoiler: Book 2: KittyBlobQueen, Milkshakeboys, and the Sockpuppet Gang

... Except for when she has presumably come back here multiple times to try and worm her way back into providing evidence for the thread or whatever the fuck has been going on with some of these sock accounts. KBQ, Dramallama, SukMyDickAdiago, thesnackthatbitesback, and potentially Milkshakeboys were all using the exact same obscure screencap software called Lightshot as their primary means of saving and sharing images, rather than posting them to Imgur or uploading them directly here or using literally any other possible method.

According to KBQ way back in the chat, they had to use that particular software to take screengrabs because they were having issues with using archive and other image capturing software on their phone or tablet or whatever other device I don't remember they had at the time. KBQ got kicked for engaging in gay ops and things were quiet for a brief while until SukMyDick showed up and was immediately hostile towards other members because we "weren't doing enough" and "chased off a good contributor" (despite, you know, the fact they had been given two chances not to touch the doo-doo). Dramallama also only showed up directly before and then right after SukMyDick was getting booted off site for being KBQ, and then thesnackthatbitesback did the same thing once Dramallama2 was chased off. And then Milkshakeboys started posting, using the same screencap software (Lightshot) that all the others did initially, after which thesnackthatbitesback stopped posting as well. Since then, MSB has used other programs besides Lightshot, but their earlier posts still have it.

The odds of Milkshakeboys being KBQ is actually fairly tangible just by their activity on here and their posting habits, up to and including the grammatical errors that KBQ had (caused by typing on a mobile system) and MSB's (which admittedly reads more like Engrish than accidental spelling errors caused by sausage-fingers). Their posting behavior isn't entirely identical but the timeline is suspicious as hell, and the other sockpuppets regularly changed up their grammar and speaking habits in a bizarre fashion to try and hide the fact that they were all very likely the same person, sometimes even mid-socking; Milkshakeboys' earlier posts were way more clear and legible than their current posts, with fewer spelling errors from what I could see than their current typing habits.

Now we get to TealShep and the belief that KBQ/Luna/whomever the fuck they are has ties to Roro. We know Roro is a serial stalker and harasser. There's not much else to add. I don't personally believe KBQ or Milkshakeboys is Roro himself, to clarify; they were active on and off during the same times Roro was sure, but not in a manner that I consider suspect. If they were only logged in when he was, or only logged off when he was, then I'd suspect some fishy shit going on on that front. Additionally, Milkshake didn't seem to side with him at all during his repeated shit-shows in the thread, but wasn't outright hostile towards him either until Roro started going off the deep end and derailing the thread repeatedly. While that could've just been a play to get us to trust them, I'm rather doubtful this is the case. It's possible, however, that the "friend" KBQ initially claimed to've been wanting to help way back in the chat was Roro.

Personal Conclusion: I honestly have no idea dude, I've been up all night and my thoughts are slurry from sleep deprivation; anybody's guess as to what this shit means is as good as mine. The sockpuppets are coming from inside the house or something.


Null came into the Floraverse thread less than two weeks ago, slapped the magenta-colored cum-stained bed with a belt a few times and told us that if we didn't stop being naughty by letting users wander into Glitchpuppet's Pokeporn findom server he'd spank us, and then banned some users who had been playing e-trial in the Floraverse Discord to try and push Glip towards a redemption arc. (Or maybe Meowthkip banned them, I don't remember.)

??????????? over somehow being pozloading my neghole cow or Roro?

Don't understand how my joining/posting = being KBQ neghole pozzer

Agree otherwise about the cow

 

[AllCISPeople]

I think the beware is justified only because Raven removed the artist’s credits. Raven’s reasons for doing that were messed up. But the bit about Raven being a character thief is false. You know those are just Trish’s words coming out of Efisher’s mouth. Efisher probably just took Adiago at her word when she notified her saying Raven was a character theif, and Efsher didn’t research any further than that. Efsher probably doesn’t know about Raven paying for the Eclipse character, as well as Adiago never delivering $300 worth of art to Raven. So I mean both sides are kind of at fault here.

EDIT; excuse my autism, I’m now reading things more carefully and I see now that Raven not only removed the credits, but filed a chargeback. That is beyond messed up. Raven is 100% at fault here. Adiago is a shithead as always, but Raven really didn’t prove herself to be any better by doing that.

Some random things: Luna/KBQ is posting in the A_B post and shit-talking Raven out of personal spite (like they were about Adiago) and speaking on Efsher’s behalf despite not even personally knowing them:

Spoiler: Luna Posts

And Luna has favorited Adiago’s post on Twitter about the Ravensmoon A_B post (where Adiago literally insults Luna by saying “Even Luna abandoned you”):

Spoiler: Twitter

I thought Luna/KBQ hated Adiago for being transphobic? I don’t know.

 

[Uncle Warren]

??????????? over somehow being pozloading my neghole cow or Roro?

Don't understand how my joining/posting = being KBQ neghole pozzer

Agree otherwise about the cow

Can you repeat that but in english? I can't quite seem to get past your autistic twitterspeak.