Trans “Refugees” - Because victimhood is even funnier when running away.

[Helvítis Túristi]

Go on, what happened?

They get fucked with similar to libs of tik tok, a journalist goes to their family and work to do life ruination. If that doesn't work, the people go to the police who are more than willing to arrest them with no charges and break them mentally. When I heard about the insanity that happened to Caroline Farrow, I immediately remembered cases of the Swedish police doing that to people who either opposed immigration or had concerns to it. The best case was a rape researcher who got messed with just for fact checking posts on social media and saying yes, the perpetrators of the rapes are muslim. There was an anti-immigration politician who was assassinated. Similar killings I'm not fully aware of, but they probably exist.

 

[JohnnyG]

I can't find it, but an article in A&N was posted of a journalist actually investigating those cases. It's only a very small number of trans people being murdered and it's not even rural White hicks doing it. It's either the trans person's partner doing the crime or it's a minority doing it (black/latino). Now, if we take that small number of trans people being murdered and compared it to the staggering amount of trans people who are serial killers/rapists. What does that say about trans people?

Here's a bog-standard case of the typical tranny murder:
Black guy was cheating on his girlfriend with a tranny on the down low, friends find out and call him a faggot, he kills the tranny. Really counts as more of a homophobic hate crime, but that would require talking about homophobia among black people which is a no-no.

Right, the last time I saw an actual number, it was like a dozen for the entire year & country, ie a lower rate than most other groups (probably because troonery is mostly a Luxury Class phenomenon).

Of those, nearly all were ghetto criminals killed by other criminals...prostitutes who got in fights with their clients/boyfriends, robberies and drug deals gone wrong. Standard black-on-black crime but gayer. Zero actual "trans-genocides", because if one of those actually happened it would be national news.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

I don't care where they move, so long as OFF is the direction that they FUCK.

Can you imagine like 20 years from now when Minnesota starts making people pay $20 a person like a theme park to gawk at the freaks? Could be a good business for them. I'd certainly kick in a few bucks for a handful of feed to give a ladyboy.

Remember to hold your hand flat though, you don't want it to suck on one of your fingers.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

I’m concerned that trans kids who end up having their families move for more favorable laws will have a really, really hard time walking back their transition or even admitting they made a mistake. It is not easy to detrans, and the pressure around “we changed our whole life to help you,” would create massive guilt and family problems if a young person said, “I messed up, I’m not trans” later.

And a state or group that strongly supports transition is unlikely to back providing the mental health assistance and treatments needed for people to detransition.

Thanks to liberal policy, I can have time off without worrying about being able to buy groceries the next week (it’s great, in my area all jobs now have to grant one paid hour off in every 30, so if you get sick you don’t spread it everywhere but also don’t starve). But this refuge policy is badly thought out, and will likely damage some kids before the problems with it are realized. And these problems will be a lot less minor than “someone is burnt out or lazy and fakes illness, takes a few hours of pay.”

 

[cybertoaster]

I immediately remembered cases of the Swedish police doing that to people who either opposed immigration or had concerns to it. The best case was a rape researcher who got messed with just for fact checking posts on social media and saying yes, the perpetrators of the rapes are muslim. There was an anti-immigration politician who was assassinated

Got more on that?

Can you imagine like 20 years from now when Minnesota starts making people pay $20 a person like a theme park to gawk at the freaks?

Minneapolis its already becoming the next Detroit, the entire state its going to shit, nobody is going to do tourism there except slumming or to look at the blight.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I’m concerned that trans kids who end up having their families move for more favorable laws will have a really, really hard time walking back their transition or even admitting they made a mistake. It is not easy to detrans, and the pressure around “we changed our whole life to help you,” would create massive guilt and family problems if a young person said, “I messed up, I’m not trans” later.

And a state or group that strongly supports transition is unlikely to back providing the mental health assistance and treatments needed for people to detransition.

You shush. Detransitioning is soooo rare because the kids just know, you know?

Sarcasm aside, you're 100% right. Transitioning is no longer just about one person, it's now creating a big show for literally everyone that you're trans. There's no private soul-searching, no talking it out with a therapist where not being gender dysphoric or trans is not an option. There's no talking about fluid gender roles independent of transitioning. It's performative. And we live in a time when it's harder and harder to take a stand on a big social issue and then walk it the fuck back.

The only person I can think of that actually did walk something back in a serious way is Candace Owens (something about a weird privacy app that didn't quite work out), and even then I'm not entirely convinced it's not a grift (though, to be fair, I like the no-nonsense condescending way she talks to the gender bullies - that's just entertainment right there). Everyone else in the world basically doesn't admit they're wrong anymore, they just pretend they always believed the new thing or that things "evolved", but they never have to admit they're sorry over how big an asshole they are (if they are) about it.

The thing we don't talk about when we talk about transitioning is how it will affect everyone else. Which sounds so communist, and kind of bad considering I am the first to say that being trans shouldn't rely on validation from others, but that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is how people will generally react to it. Some parents might grieve the loss of the child they thought they had, for instance (which supports my idea that if transitioning comes out of the clear blue sky, there's something fucky about being trans in the first place). If changing your gender should mean nothing to the outside world, then there's no point in transitioning, but you can't expect everyone to be all sunshine and rainbows about it if it means something.

Aside that: it's why I am more and more hesitant to accept being trans. Because you can cover over being wrong with "oh, gender is fluid". It prevents you from having to admit there's something fucky about gender ideology, particularly that it allows you to abandon gender fluidity when it's socially convenient (see Demi Lovato and going by she/her pronouns because she's tired of explaining her pronouns to people). It doesn't require you to reach an "end state", just an endless circle of exploration that you can't ever exit out of or mature out of. At some point in your life, you have to accept who you are so you can face the world as a known quantity, not someone that nobody wants to deal with because they don't understand who you are today.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

@Not A Bunny gotta agree there. The publicity and performative aspects of transition are harmful. I hope that if medicine as practiced doesn’t change soon, the narratives around transitioning can at least be challenged. Trans rights is such an overarching social and political narrative that I’ve compared it to the USSR enforcing its own ideas. Not that there are gulags for transphobes, but ideologically it is alike.

I’m hoping that WPATH files and long term outcomes can at least lead to a sort of glasnost. Then again, I likely couldn’t post on most common social media sites and talk about detransitioning. Not if I want to keep my job and community around me.

I’m truly concerned that the modern trans movement does not allow for such discussions, and that’s dangerous. Yelling about trans genocide on one side and bathrooms and stereotypes on the other doesn’t seem quite right to me. They’re often lost in a way, mentally ill, or autistic. Just collateral damage. What happens in their individual lives matters less than what serves the narrative.

 

[rusty shackleford 1]

The publicity and performative aspects of transition are harmful.

Reminds me of during Covid where they all had a crisis about not being able to “perform their gender” with work and school being sent home for lockdown.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

Got more on that?

Minneapolis its already becoming the next Detroit, the entire state its going to shit, nobody is going to do tourism there except slumming or to look at the blight.

The tour guide: ...and if you'll just step this way through the group of angry trannies, I'll show you exactly where the officer put his knee on the nigger's neck that started the entire summer of "mostly peaceful protests"

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

Reminds me of during Covid where they all had a crisis about not being able to “perform their gender” with work and school being sent home for lockdown.

Funny that. For me, being home was nice. I could just be me with fewer worries about how I appeared to others and no worrying about getting hit or creeped on or violence.

Rate me autistic, but I literally don’t understand. Is it common for trans people to “be” the performance they put on? Is their gender who they are in that sense? I guess that’s a way I was different to them, even when I thought I was trans. I knew I was sort of playing a role. I don’t really have super inner gender feelings like a lot of them mention. Like a gendered soul? Doesn’t make sense.

If you feel you are your mask, what are you when it comes off? Are they empty somehow?

 

[Not A Bunny]

I’m truly concerned that the modern trans movement does not allow for such discussions, and that’s dangerous.

There's something very both "modern day" and reprehensible about making a social issue everyone's collective responsibility.

There was originally, "YOU have to protect ME from COVID". Now it's, "YOU have to validate ME for being trans."

The social contract isn't about reflexively catering to the fears of someone who claims oppression of victim status, and it's really weird that we've developed a societal system of codependence around people who claim that if they fear something, everyone has to drop everything and work on that problem.

People are no longer told that other people are allowed their own views on things, or allowed to handle things their own way. If you're the aggrieved party, you are allowed to commandeer any situation and set the rules and boundaries for everyone involved.

It's sick, and dangerous. And if people don't stop their victim shit, things are going to get far worse for them in the long run.

 

[RandallBoggs]

I can't find it, but an article in A&N was posted of a journalist actually investigating those cases. It's only a very small number of trans people being murdered and it's not even rural White hicks doing it. It's either the trans person's partner doing the crime or it's a minority doing it (black/latino). Now, if we take that small number of trans people being murdered and compared it to the staggering amount of trans people who are serial killers/rapists. What does that say about trans people?

My one good contribution to the Farms

I could do a follow-up for newer cases, but honestly what’s the point when we already know what the data is gonna say?

 

[AMHOLIO]

They’re often lost in a way, mentally ill, or autistic. Just collateral damage. What happens in their individual lives matters less than what serves the narrative

They're going to burn thrmselves out twice as hard as they did before the trans times, and it's an awful sight to see. Some could have gotten help and become stable, some would always be what they are, but the bodily destruction is off the charts and burns the candle at both ends. It's awful. There's always been humans who were lost in the mental health struggle with people not giving a shit about them, but the transitioning part makes it absolutely disgusting.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

The tour guide: ...and if you'll just step this way through the group of angry trannies, I'll show you exactly where the officer put his knee on the nigger's neck that started the entire summer of "mostly peaceful protests"

Actually, IIRC the officer encounter was also a labor issue.


The store manager where Floyd tried to pay had dealt with forgery before, and told the cashier who served him, “if you suspect forgery, either you call the cops or I take the forged amount out of your pay.” Which is illegal wage theft; the employer can decide when to call police, but theft or forgery are risks that the business owner must take on and not push onto their lower level employees. But the lower employees did not know this. So police were called in part because the employee made so little and had such a shitty boss that he could not afford to lose the $20 if it was a forgery.

Crime is crime, but better awareness and labor laws might have prevented the whole debacle in Minneapolis. As it was, it put the employee who called police seeming as if he had personally executed the guy. He almost killed himself from the guilt.

Big brain moment, but these social issues seem to keep people fighting over scraps rather than to go after the obscenely wealthy.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

Actually, IIRC the officer encounter was also a labor issue.


The store manager where Floyd tried to pay had dealt with forgery before, and told the cashier who served him, “if you suspect forgery, either you call the cops or I take the forged amount out of your pay.” Which is illegal wage theft; the employer can decide when to call police, but theft or forgery are risks that the business owner must take on and not push onto their lower level employees. But the lower employees did not know this. So police were called in part because the employee made so little and had such a shitty boss that he could not afford to lose the $20 if it was a forgery.

Crime is crime, but better awareness and labor laws might have prevented the whole debacle in Minneapolis. As it was, it put the employee who called police seeming as if he had personally executed the guy. He almost killed himself from the guilt.

Big brain moment, but these social issues seem to keep people fighting over scraps rather than to go after the obscenely wealthy.

Easy there Lenin, you missed the 1917 revolution anniversary by about 10 days.

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

Easy there Lenin, you missed the 1917 revolution anniversary by about 10 days.

Just context. Don’t have to be Lenin to want fair working conditions and not stealing. Wage theft is the single largest form of theft in dollar terms. Hell, happens at my job occasionally- if there are technical issues lasting for more than half an hour, have to either quit until there’s a fix, or not count time after the first half hour. Makes sense I guess from the business side, but sometimes it takes longer to fix a problem.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

Just context. Don’t have to be Lenin to want fair working conditions and not stealing. Wage theft is the single largest form of theft in dollar terms. Hell, happens at my job occasionally- if there are technical issues lasting for more than half an hour, have to either quit until there’s a fix, or not count time after the first half hour. Makes sense I guess from the business side, but sometimes it takes longer to fix a problem.

And then you no sold my Lenin joke.

Hurtful.

 

[TismFarmer]

If you feel you are your mask, what are you when it comes off? Are they empty somehow?

Yes. I think they are, and that's the issue with their whole lives.
I spend the vast majority of my life as a person. Doing my thing, whatever it is, womanhood is simply so negligible in these times that I would think something was weird if I even thought about gender during those times. Then there is a tiny part of my life where being a woman is important to me, pregnancy, birth, having sex with my husband, it would be weird not to be thinking, in some way, of my womanhood.
I can't wrap my head around the concept of living my whole life being as concerned with my gender as I am during those small (by comparison) times. It would be exhausting and distracting and as Sonalee said, when you are by yourself, do you just think to yourself about performing your gender and carefully keep up the act? Do you drop the act and sit around in your saggy undies, scratching your balls (or where they used to be) or do you just switch off like a robot that only does something if there is a person there who expects output?

 

[Sonalee Rashitwar]

And then you no sold my Lenin joke.

Hurtful.

Some family left or dashed out of the Iron Curtain, so I normally like to clown on communist career Party dudes. I guess I didn’t get your joke, is all.

But if you like Soviet jokes, I have them!

Yes. I think they are, and that's the issue with their whole lives.
I spend the vast majority of my life as a person. Doing my thing, whatever it is, womanhood is simply so negligible in these times that I would think something was weird if I even thought about gender during those times…when you are by yourself, do you just think to yourself about performing your gender and carefully keep up the act? Do you drop the act and sit around in your saggy undies, scratching your balls (or where they used to be) or do you just switch off like a robot that only does something if there is a person there who expects output?

That’s almost a philosophy thought, friend. If a tree in a forest…

Are you the mom with an adult daughter who thinks she’s trans? I hope she’s doing OK, we can talk a bit if you want.

 

[JohnnyG]

Reminds me of during Covid where they all had a crisis about not being able to “perform their gender” with work and school being sent home for lockdown.

Even better was the twitter thread by that troon talking about how horrible seeing himself on zoom was for his mental health, with a gorillion replies by other troons agreeing.

No sympathy for all the *normal* people forced to watch them play Emperor's New Dress all the time, of course...