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[poggers]

So I've been researching more into intersex conditions. There's a youtuber who claims to have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS). This means that, although they are chromosomally male, their natal development means they developed as female. Aside from non-visible symptoms (i.e undescended testicles in the abdomen), the only physical symptom of this condition is that they don't ovulate and can't get pregnant.

So what are they? ...A woman. Because that's functionally what they are. They were raised as a woman and clearly present as a woman. If they had been born earlier in history, they would be recognised as simply an infertile woman. Most people with AIS (it seems) identify as women and may not even know they have it. The fact they are "chromosomally male" is more of an interesting factoid than something that meaningfully defines them, unless they choose to. Which is what they have done, because they identify as "non-binary" and go by they-them.

What this exposes to me is how functionally useless the concept of being "non-binary" truly is. If even people who have intersex conditions, and could therefore superficially claim that it genuinely applies to them, don't actually benefit from the label in any meaningful way.

I've seen that particular YouTuber (Blume) live at a musical gig, and (she? they?) are much more twink looking than female looking. Tall, no female body fat, skinny thighs and ass, broad shoulders, male sized head and prominent chin, obvious nose job, looks and acts like a gay guy. Sorry.

Also, I think this is a similar condition to Imane Khelif and the Lin Yu Ting. They're intersex, they're not female, so don't go demanding to compete against XX women in boxing. If you have male advantage (high testosterone, longer arms and legs etc) then stay out of female sport.

 

[Positron]

Bad news: Squid Game season 2 has a trans character playing the game to fund their cock chop

I hope he loses the game yet still gets the cock chop.

 

[Beautiful Border]

I've seen that particular YouTuber (Blume) live at a musical gig, and (she? they?) are much more twink looking than female looking. Tall, no female body fat, skinny thighs and ass, broad shoulders, male sized head and prominent chin, obvious nose job, looks and acts like a gay guy. Sorry.

Also, I think this is a similar condition to Imane Khelif and the Lin Yu Ting. They're intersex, they're not female, so don't go demanding to compete against XX women in boxing. If you have male advantage (high testosterone, longer arms and legs etc) then stay out of female sport.

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Hmm, maybe it's different seeing her in real life, but from seeing any video of her I just immediately think "woman". I think this is a situation where your perception is being colored by the added knowledge of her medical history.

For a point of comparison, John Mulaney has child-bearing hips, and it's something people have noticed and commented on to the point he's incorporated it into his comedy acts. But that's not because he has some kind of genetic disorder, his body's just like that. Blume's (outward) body differs from a standard female one to about the same extent John Mulaney's differs from a standard male one, it's within the range of "huh, that's a bit unusual for a man/woman". Not "my goodness, you completely defy my understanding of biology".

 

[poggers]

Hmm, maybe it's different seeing her in real life, but from seeing any video of her I just immediately think "woman". I think this is a situation where your perception is being colored by the added knowledge of her medical history.

For a point of comparison, John Mulaney has child-bearing hips, and it's something people have noticed and commented on to the point he's incorporated it into his comedy acts. But that's not because he has some kind of genetic disorder, his body's just like that. Blume's (outward) body differs from a standard female one to about the same extent John Mulaney's differs from a standard male one, it's within the range of "huh, that's a bit unusual for a man/woman". Not "my goodness, you completely defy my understanding of biology".

Sure. If a person has CAIS, they look feminine. Blume looks like a feminine guy, to me. And I don't mind at all what intersex people choose to call themselves. (And a lot of guys can look like convincing women with makeup and lighting, just look at Troye Sivan in that clip "One of your Girls." ) My point is, they're NOT female. Intersex males are males. So in things like sports, where male/female differences matter, Imane Khelif etc, they shouldn't be classified as women. In everyday life, intersex people can be whatever.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

So I've been researching more into intersex conditions. There's a youtuber who claims to have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS). This means that, although they are chromosomally male, their natal development means they developed as female. Aside from non-visible symptoms (i.e undescended testicles in the abdomen), the only physical symptom of this condition is that they don't ovulate and can't get pregnant.

So what are they? ...A woman. Because that's functionally what they are. They were raised as a woman and clearly present as a woman. If they had been born earlier in history, they would be recognised as simply an infertile woman. Most people with AIS (it seems) identify as women and may not even know they have it. The fact they are "chromosomally male" is more of an interesting factoid than something that meaningfully defines them, unless they choose to. Which is what they have done, because they identify as "non-binary" and go by they-them.

What this exposes to me is how functionally useless the concept of being "non-binary" truly is. If even people who have intersex conditions, and could therefore superficially claim that it genuinely applies to them, don't actually benefit from the label in any meaningful way.

I thought we knew theres no such thing as a “male woman”. He is a male, an adult male. So he is a man. Its called testicular feminisation syndrome. And honestly that guy still looks male to me.

 

[Xev]

How come the troons during the Jerry Springer days were more convincing than 2024 troons?

 

[Beautiful Border]

I thought we knew theres no such thing as a “male woman”. He is a male, an adult male. So he is a man. Its called testicular feminisation syndrome

Well, no. The role of the AIS is that without it, she would have developed into a male baby. This is the case with all babies, but in this case there was an extra roll of the dice that blocked it. She has female genitalia and breasts. The genitals you have at birth are the most important factor in what your sex is, not your chromosomes. Chromosomes aren't actually that functionally significant, in the sense that nobody raises a child as male or female based solely on their chromosomes. This is why people with Klinefelter are raised as men, they have two X chromosomes but male genitalia.

How come the troons during the Jerry Springer days were more convincing than 2024 troons?

Transtrenders weren't a thing yet. If you were transitioning, you had to be really determined about what you were doing.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

Well, no. The role of the AIS is that without it, she would have developed into a male baby. This is the case with all babies, but in this case there was an extra roll of the dice that blocked it. She has female genitalia and breasts. The genitals you have at birth are the most important factor in what your sex is, not your chromosomes. Chromosomes aren't actually that functionally significant, in the sense that nobody raises a child as male or female based solely on their chromosomes. This is why people with Klinefelter are raised as men, they have two X chromosomes but male genitalia.


Transtrenders weren't a thing yet. If you were transitioning, you had to be really determined about what you were doing.

He is a male. Genitals are usually a great indicator of sex but AIS proves they can be wrong. It isnt just about the chromosomes, its because they have testicles and no female organs. The vagina is a short, blind ending pouch. CAIS males are over represented in womens sports.
Do you believe that this is a female

 

[poggers]

The genitals you have at birth are the most important factor in what your sex is, not your chromosomes. Chromosomes aren't actually that functionally significant, in the sense that nobody raises a child as male or female based solely on their chromosomes. This is why people with Klinefelter are raised as men, they have two X chromosomes but male genitalia.

If you have a Y, then you really are male. It doesn't matter what you look like, or how you act. "Female" isn't a dumping ground category for disordered male development

 

[Dilatortron3000]

If you have a Y, then you really are male. It doesn't matter what you look like, or how you act. "Female" isn't a dumping ground category for disordered male development

XY females do exist. It is called swyer syndrome, they are very different from CAIS males and have 0 male organs so i consider them to be female
Genitals can be very misleading. Females with CAH (male appearing genitals) have been assigned male at birth and when they get older the sex that they really are becomes obvious and they just look like females with boy haircuts

 

[Xev]

Well, no. The role of the AIS is that without it, she would have developed into a male baby. This is the case with all babies, but in this case there was an extra roll of the dice that blocked it. She has female genitalia and breasts. The genitals you have at birth are the most important factor in what your sex is, not your chromosomes. Chromosomes aren't actually that functionally significant, in the sense that nobody raises a child as male or female based solely on their chromosomes. This is why people with Klinefelter are raised as men, they have two X chromosomes but male genitalia.


Transtrenders weren't a thing yet. If you were transitioning, you had to be really determined about what you were doing.

It's also possible that Springer was lying to us because most of that show was fake

 

[poggers]

XY females do exist. It is called swyer syndrome, they are very different from CAIS males and have 0 male organs so i consider them to be female Ver archivo adjunto 6717713Ver archivo adjunto 6717716

I would still call Swyer syndrome a male DSD. Genetically male. These are rare mutations, and I feel a lot of sympathy for these people. But yeah I just don't consider them female.

 

[Procrastinhater]

XY females do exist. It is called swyer syndrome, they are very different from CAIS males and have 0 male organs so i consider them to be female Ver archivo adjunto 6717713Ver archivo adjunto 6717716
Genitals can be very misleading. Females with CAH (male appearing genitals) have been assigned male at birth and when they get older the sex that they really are becomes obvious and they just look like females with boy haircuts

We actually have a thread specifically for discussion of Swyer Syndrome and disorders like it.
I absolutely despise Troons and their kind, thing is personally I have no issue calling Swyer Syndrome people female because while they have a Y chromosome its basically broken and completely non functional and has zero effect on their development.
I'm not a geneticist but thats the way I understand it from what I've read on the subject.

The thing is Trannies love to use things like Swyer Syndrome as a Red Herring and spurious argument as if it has any relevance to Transsexual bullshit, which it doesn't.
Its an extremely rare genetic mutation, so rare that its existence is irrelevant to any discussion that isn't specifically about disorders of sexual development.
Women with Swyer Syndrome aren't Trannies, have nothing to do with Trannies, and anyone trying to bring up that sort of thing in a discussion about Transgenderism should be treated with the contempt they deserve.
Its a Red Herring and a distraction from the actual issue. The existence of a tiny minority of people with these weird mutations doesn't make a guy who takes artificial hormones and flays his penis a woman.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

I would still call Swyer syndrome a male DSD. Genetically male. These are rare mutations, and I feel a lot of sympathy for these people. But yeah I just don't consider them female.

The problem is that despite having XY, nothing physically about them is male. There are rare XY females who can even have ovaries. But also swyer is extremely rare. 1 in 80,000. For comparison 1 in 100,000 babies are born with cyclopsia (1 eye)

 

[poggers]

We actually have a thread specifically for discussion of Swyer Syndrome and disorders like it.
I absolutely despise Troons and their kind, thing is personally I have no issue calling Swyer Syndrome people female because while they have a Y chromosome its basically broken and completely non functional and has zero effect on their development.
I'm not a geneticist but thats the way I understand it from what I've read on the subject.

Dude, the XY Swyers still don't go through female puberty, have periods or ovaries, or female hormones. Yeah the Y isn't working so they don't go through male puberty, still doesn't make them female. I know this has nothing to do with troons whatsoever, it just shits me that faulty genetic males get called female. These are mutations carried on the Y chromosome. And tbh all the Swyers I've seen on YT look pretty fucking manly.

 

[Dilatortron3000]

Dude, the XY Swyers still don't go through female puberty, have periods or ovaries, or female hormones. Yeah the Y isn't working so they don't go through male puberty, still doesn't make them female. I know this has nothing to do with troons whatsoever, it just shits me that faulty genetic males get called female. These are mutations carried on the Y chromosome. And tbh all the Swyers I've seen on YT look pretty fucking manly.

Turners syndrome females (45, X) dont have ovaries or go through periods. I think they just have manjaws but other than that they look female

 

[Kermit the Impaler]

the only physical symptom of this condition is that they don't ovulate and can't get pregnant.

That is an odd way to phrase that they don't have ovaries or a uterus and have a small pouch vagina.

 

[Cryin RN]

So I've been researching more into intersex conditions. There's a youtuber who claims to have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS). This means that, although they are chromosomally male, their natal development means they developed as female. Aside from non-visible symptoms (i.e undescended testicles in the abdomen), the only physical symptom of this condition is that they don't ovulate and can't get pregnant.

So what are they? ...A woman. Because that's functionally what they are. They were raised as a woman and clearly present as a woman. If they had been born earlier in history, they would be recognised as simply an infertile woman. Most people with AIS (it seems) identify as women and may not even know they have it. The fact they are "chromosomally male" is more of an interesting factoid than something that meaningfully defines them, unless they choose to. Which is what they have done, because they identify as "non-binary" and go by they-them.

What this exposes to me is how functionally useless the concept of being "non-binary" truly is. If even people who have intersex conditions, and could therefore superficially claim that it genuinely applies to them, don't actually benefit from the label in any meaningful way.

Nisipisa also reports to have CAIS although she's never made it a focus of her content. She has made references to being childfree not by choice, but otherwise would never trip any flags. She's above the 50th percentile for female height, but not to a degree that stands out due to her ancestry. Her content is normie girl stuff, like Torrid, baking, internalizing her self loathing instead of making it the Internet's problem, and never posting about weird fetish bullshit.

 

[Chandelier]

He is a male. Genitals are usually a great indicator of sex but AIS proves they can be wrong. It isnt just about the chromosomes, its because they have testicles and no female organs. The vagina is a short, blind ending pouch. CAIS males are over represented in womens sports.
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So, the thing with CAIS is that it's considered a sex reversal DSD. It usually goes by a case by case basis. The SRY gene is non functional or does not exist, so masculinization does not occur. The issue with undescended testes is whether they produce sperm or testosterone. For Imane Khaleif and Caster Semenya, the answer is yes. For CAIS, no. They are completely non functional and sterile.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

So, the thing with CAIS is that it's considered a sex reversal DSD. It usually goes by a case by case basis. The SRY gene is non functional or does not exist

This is Swyer syndrome, I believe. In Cais, or Morris syndrome, the SRY gene is functional, but the various andgrogenizing receptors are not.