It was profound pop poetess Katy Perry that once asked the world at large: "
Do you ever feel like a plastic bag?"
Kiwis, if such a cerebral and insightful question has ever touched you personally, just know that you aren't alone. So if today you feel like tomorrow's garbage, please enjoy at least a plastic bag's worth of posts to get you through any hard times you may be enduring!
Buy One, Get One Free: Looksmaxxers like glassy-eyed little mutant-twunk Clavicular have been a major source of laughs for Kiwis as of late, but did you know that you can actually dual-wield discrimination by hurting trannies when you laugh at them? This pooner thinks so, as she describes that the similarly dismissive attitudes around looksmaxxing can be applied to trans people and that this could all be connected, somehow, to fascism. While she's far from the first person to draw conclusions between the two factions, one thing's for sure: if you attend a circus, why would you only laugh at one clown?
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I am undercaffeinated and undermedicated so there's a 50-50 chance I will delete this later. But for now please indulge my hot take:
Some of the things people complain about to make fun of looksmaxxers sounds a hell of a lot like things that are said to promote disgust of trans bodies. "Smashed his face with a hammer" vs "got their d*ck cut off" as an example.
Like
if someone's making fun of a cis man for wanting to alter his appearance, then what are they actually making fun of? A guy who doesn't think he looks masculine enough? A guy who's willing to have medical procedures done to align his sense of self with his appearance? Because that's me, too.
Just to be perfectly clear, I am *not* saying looksmaxxers are trans allies or support us or anything. I am not under any illusions of that. Just pointing out something that feels hypocritical (and thus unsafe) about the rhetoric used to complain about them.
I don't think it's a coincidence that this conversation is happening alongside a rise in transphobia (policing our bodies in particular) and fascism (policing all bodies in general).
I like to present a grab bag of posts for the readers in this thread just because everyone's got different tastes, and I know a lot of you enjoy the finer things in life like poetry, so I've got not one, but
two tranny poems for you all to mull over! Truly, there exists no more refined a wordsmith than a transRedditor poet, with the way they artfully carry their readers through each stanza the way a middle aged, poverty-stricken mother of 5 carries a crew of stoned teenagers working at McDonald's on her shoulders like Atlas himself.
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Does it harm you?The clothes I choose to wear.
Does it harm you? A baby chick's chirping in the air.
Does it harm you? The pink and blue blending in the sky.
Does it harm you? This new name I proudly go by.
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This is likely one of the most idiotic things I have done on Reddit, but that's fine. I write poetry occasionally to cope with my real life events, and this one in particular was from when I was homeless and alone (long story short, my parents kicked me out for being trans). I was in my car, waiting for places to open so I could get some AC. I was incredibly hungry, but I did not want to eat yet, since I was very financially stringent with myself. So to cope, I wrote this:
Sluggish
Weak
Headache
Seek sustenance or you'll die, spend the funds you've tried so hard to keep or the card you'll reap will be… pain.
I should ignore it; I'll be fine.
One meal a day and I will survive. So why oh why does my brain try all it can to make me think I'll die? It costs too much for me to sustain myself.
Living without God's blessing,
A man in a woman's dressing,
This life he chose, though we tried to show,
The consequence of not confessing.
Live in misery
Come crawling back
Renounce your delusion
Gain faith you lack
Kill this “Penny” who doesn't exist.
You are Peyton, do not resist.
Let go
Let us fill your hungry spirit
And make you anew
Your hateful cries, drowned in eyes,
Opened to what you knew.
Then you can have all the feasts you want, both here and in heaven.
Throw away your childish games, reject the ways you've been set in.
All our support, all our love, only accessed through the one up above.
Keep searching for him; maybe you'll see,
The man you were always meant to be.
To those of you who relate to this, I feel you. Ive been there. But as someone who has been through it all, I can tell you it's so worth it to keep going. I wrote this in August of 2025, back when I was homeless and without income. Without hope. But today, I stand proudly as who I am, with an apartment, a job, a loving partner, and an HRT appointment next week. I do not need my parents' love to be loved. And to those who need to hear it, neither do you.
A tale of two nukes: Two trannies have differing ideas about what the general optics of the transgender community are, with one stating that "optics nukes" - i.e., bad PR - are essential in order for ""normal"" troons 'n' poons to fly under the radar, while the other claims that, trans people are, no joke, "practically saints." These are both criminally hilarious and puzzling to read for anybody who has read this thread for longer than a day, so I highly recommend them, but if you want Chef Pickle's personal pick I'd eat dish number two as such a dreamlike view of the world makes me suspect OP may believe Jabberwockies, unicorns and fathers that return home from going out to get cigarettes actually exist.
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We need to keep the normies as uneducated and misinformed about what we're actually like as much as possible. The more educated they are about us and how we actually live, the more they can hurt us. Optics nukes are a lightning rod; a necessary evil.
We need to let cissoid normies keep thinking that trans women are "men in dresses" and that trans men are just women with blue hair and pronouns. The more and more of us that take HRT and do eventually try to blend in and pass as who we truly are, the further away we get from cis stereotypes.
For every average arr slash em tee eff user who is 30 years old and looks completely like a guy but "socially transitions," there could be half a dozen just regular trans people essentially living under cover as women. For every blue haired pixie cut that they think is representative of the average dood, there's plenty of guys on T just living their lives as men.
They can't ever find out about the normal ones. The optics nukes are what keep them in the dreamy state of ignorance. And if they ever find out about trans people who pass, there goes our entire way of life.
When we let cis people focus on the unlucky few who, it gives us all who do hope to pass one day a bit of hope. From the cis perspective,
trans people start and end in the horrific stereotypes, and those who fit the stereotype, to them, are what encompasses all trans people.
Of course if you won't ever pass, none of this applies to you.
But if you do, live life. And then don't tell anybody else you're trans. Ever.
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Trans people have been subject to legal subjugation, genocide, and mass violence for years, and continue to be subject to those things to this day. What's our response? To ask politely that we be integrated as equals into the society that has attempted to and continues to attempt to annihilate us. Maybe occasionally we raise our voice when making that request, but
we never ask for reparations, never push for separatism, and never get violent. Cis people
torture us, mutilate our bodies, segregate us, subjugate us as second class citizens, routinely humiliate us, and openly fantasise about our genocide, and
yet still we just ask that we be given a chance to be a normal person in their society. That is an astonishing amount of grace on our part--
I don't think any other marginalised group has been as forgiving as us. Terrorist groups have been formed over much less.
This faith in cis society also shows in the profound level of charity displayed by trans people.
Trans people care about every single cause but their own. Despite constant accusations of trans women being misogynists, rapists, incels, whatever else,
the majority of trans women I've met have been self-identified feminists who support reproductive freedom and want to end violence against women--something I can't say for cis women, as a whole. In fact,
I'm certain that trans women are significantly more likely to be feminists than cis women, and
I wouldn't be surprised if trans women are the most feminist demographic, though trans men might have us beat there. We also live these values--
I've heard much, much more misogynistic things from self-identified feminist cis women, about women's bodies, about sexual violence, etc than I have from trans women. Trans people also tend to support racial equality, recognise the genocide in Gaza, workers rights, etc, even in cases where they have absolutely no personal connection to the cause in question.
Our interest in others, and our compassion for others, is profound.
Now,
can you imagine a cis person, with no personal connection to trans people, marching for trans rights? Even the ones who
do have a personal connection rarely stand up for us!
Trans people very frequently risk everything to try and help people with no connection to us--we really do embody the principle of Christian charity, to give and give and give regardless of whether the person you're helping ever thinks to give back. We're practically saints.
Interpersonally,
most trans people are accommodating to the point of self-denial. It's simply expected that cis people will misgender you and will have dehumanising beliefs about you--
most of us just take that on the chin, and admonishment, if given, is always worded in the most reconciliatory tones. The routine response to harassment is to either freeze and take it or to remove oneself from the situation--confrontation is extremely rare, even in the face of direct violence. When advocating for trans rights,
not only do we endlessly reassure cis people that they won't be inconvenienced by our being their equals, but we're also keen to centre conversations on transphobia around the small number of cisgender victims who receive unintended blowback ('this bathroom ban will harm butch cis women too!'). Cis people are very much at the centre of our lives.
So we're basically pacifistic saints with a universal love for humanity, and yet many will still insist we have bad optics. Why?
Because some of us are ugly and annoying or something, as if the majority of cis people aren't ugly and annoying too. Have people seen what 'bad optics' looks like for other marginalised groups? It goes significantly further than 'someone was irritating' or 'someone was ugly'. Quite frankly,
our optics are amazing, and I think we should be commended for the level of patience, goodwill, and charity we have shown to a society that has rejected us so thoroughly.
Since we're talking about how good trans optics are, here's a random ask I found off of askbox website Tetratto that shows an anonymous MTF messenger discussing the kink of detransition with a fellow TiM, who goes into detail about what he finds arousing about it. (For those of you blissfully unaware, there
are indeed troons 'n' poons who eroticize the concept of detransition because there can be no stone left unjerked in this scummy, cummy, Godforsaken world.)
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Anonymous asks:
Whaddya think about detransition as a kink? As a MtF woman I have been obsessed lately with the thought of detransitioning to a big chubby hairy smelly dude
For putting a character through the playdough masher, it's a simple joy of tormenting a blorbo/blorbette.
I think, when I'm specifically imagining detrans kink about myself, it touches on a catharsis about my own gender dysphoria. That is to say, one of the biggest frustrations I've had about my own transition has been communicating to people around me exactly what I want to identify as. When you say "I want to take estrogen and be a girl", everybody starts assuming a lot of things about what that means, exactly.
For me, what I want is to be simultaneously understood to be a woman, but a woman who is hairy and smelly and has a big hard cock. I want people to understand that I'm a futanari from a nasty hentai doujin. And that's not something easy to just psychically project into people's minds. It's frustrating and gives me stress.
So,
there's an appealing, juvenile sort of satisfaction in just dumping all that stress and frustration by instantly communicating to people the same idea about my hair and my smell and my cock and my sexuality, by just going "I'm a man". And of course,
leaning even harder into the misogynist stereotypes and brainlessness of malehood. It's like a prank, where everybody gets to think they understand me while actually just relying on their own ignorant gender essentialist beliefs, and that sense of superiority I feel, knowing something the sheeple don't, is exciting. Again, a juvenile-transgression type thrill.
Now to provide another example of those aforementioned saintly behaviors, here's a patient turned impatient who won't trade violence for complacence. But remember: this didn't happen. But if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was... well, you know how
the rest of that prayer goes by now, don't you?
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it's not like they have a security button or any security in clinics at all nor cameras.
just me and them in a tiny space, depending on the time of the day with no one at all or like one old lady outside. what r they gonna do? I actually literally have all the rights to legally threaten as well because denying transgender care is illegal in this country and I know formal complaints work on others' examples.
it's just that strangling the fucker or beating the shi out with a water bottle (they leave no traces) would be much faster
And - perhaps I'm belaboring my point here - what's more aligned with Christ's values than making jabs at your sickly mother all for the goal of getting Reddit updoots? Now, one might possibly understand such an apathetic reaction to a loved one's illness if said loved one was a flaming hemorrhoid of a human, but in the comments OP - a MTF, because of
course - clarifies that "
She is nice actually" when another user asks if they can "
make a joke at her expense." Don't feel too furious towards OP's lack of soul, though, as Karma's comedic timing is second to none: a peek in his post history reveals that OP is
slowly going insane from the antipsychotics being used to treat his uncontrollable BPD, which he's taking because
he's already been to the psych ward 6 times this year alone. Being a tranny
and a BPDemon? I'd say pick a struggle, but the closest either group get to Christliness are their martyr complexes, so perhaps we can skip the whole messiness of crucifixion and just make sure both of them are auto-approved for MAiD.
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Truly, above all else presented, there exists no better proof that transgender people are better than the rest of us shit-slinging lowland gorillas than the fact that they routinely get banned from subs for trying to get kids to start abusing illegally-purchased and highly potent medications...
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... And when they're banned from subs crawling with young prey, they just go on to make their own, just like friend of the farms Gabe Zingher (AKA
yeep-yorp) did. (Which, as an update for our pal Groomin' Gabey, he now operates comfortably under
modmailthrowaway3675 as his preferred username and is still
grooming kids. But hey, he seems to find my amateur investigative journalism about him to be
a badge of honor to wear now, so I guess I wasn't really such a bad guy, now was I?) Oh, and for those of you unaware, there has been a strange schism on Reddit in particular between "sneedhons" (the skirtgospinny types usually on r/MTF or the gayden tards on r/gaytransguys) and "4tranners" (hailing from r/4tran4), so this should actually neatly explain to you what the main beef between them is.
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Hi everyone! We've gotten a lot of new people, so I'd like to cover who we are, what we believe, etc.
- what is 4tran?
4tran is a loosely tied set of communities originating from the /lgbt/ board on 4chan, on reddit, discord, and other sites, for dysphoric trans people.
4tranners tend to be from less privileged backgrounds, more likely to be homeless, in the third world, etc., but not always.
What does 4tran believe?
It's a very diverse community with many different beliefs, but at its core, we believe:
- going through the wrong puberty causes irreversible changes to one's body.
- these irreversible changes result in neurological sex dysphoria.
- it is a priority to get on hormones at the same age that cis peers go through puberty to avoid this body horror. failing that, the best time to start HRT is ASAP.
- the majority of doctors prescribing HRT either have out of date info or, sometimes purposely underdose trans people
- DIY HRT is often safer, more effective, and more affordable than prescribed HRT, even (or especially) for minors
- trans people who deal with dysphoria and have medical needs are in danger and need to be prioritized in trans activism
What are our issues with the mainstream community? Well, it:
- claims that any irreversible changes to bone structure are "phrenology"
- claims that sex dysphoria is just "internalized transphobia" to get over, which in itself is transphobic for telling people their dysphoria is invalid
- claims that going through body horror is not that bad. especially inexcusable when said to minors who can prevent it, like "you don't have to get on hrt right now, you have plenty of time".
- tells people to always trust their doctors and treats doctors as supreme authorities on HRT, silencing trans men who mention their doctors lied about birth control and it caused breast growth
- fearmongers about DIY, lying that trusted sources are poison, telling trans men they'll be locked up by police and also paralyzed, telling trans women they will die from blood clots when scientific evidence completely goes against this
- forces "visibility" on people who want to assimilate or be stealth. talking about top surgery scars to the point that cis people can now clock them, sometimes even outing stealth trans people without their permission
- prioritizes the feelings of cis people over the needs of trans people. often, especially from "allies", supporting drag queen story hour and pronoun pins over actually getting us HRT, and says lies like "nobody believes you can change your sex"
plus, there's a lot of needless sexualization, transmisogyny, treating trans men like women plus assuming the default sex for them is PIV, extreme sexualization in spaces with minors, and more!
This is not "just online" stuff unfortunately. This significantly affects trans communities offline too, and so, we have an alternative space to get away from that!
Are you transmedicalist?
Nope! Transmedicalists believe in gatekeeping HRT from people they don't believe are trans enough. 4tranners want everyone who wants access to HRT to have it immediately. The mainstream is actually somewhat more transmedicalist actually, which you see in comments like "nobody says trans kids should get HRT immediately! We all agree they need a lengthy process with lots of therapy first".
What about nonbinary people?
Nonbinary people are cool! They're welcome in 4tran, and we have a fair amount, though the community is mostly binary.
What are those horrible transphobic drawings?
Pooner/hon art is art trans men and women make to vent and make fun of their dysphoria. It is not an expression of genuine transphobia, it's mostly just people venting about their dysphoria, that ended up turning into silly characters in the community.
What do all the terms mean?
You'll kinda have to pick them up from context.
Just memorizing definitions ruins the special quality our community has. If you're interested, and you stay for a bit, you'll learn.
I'm cis and—
This community isn't for cis people, and that's okay! Not every community has to be for everyone.
This community feels very toxic and awful, I'm getting infected with brainworms.
That's totally fair! You can mute the sub so it won't show up on your feed. You can also ask for a ban and we will ban you for as long as you need.
I'm a minor and—
The dysphoric stuff we talk about can get very infectious and hurt minors.
Get HRT, then leave (or just get banned!)
Ok ms. yorp, what do you dislike about 4tran?
Often it can overcorrect or just cause drama,
especially when minors lying about their age get involved. Obsession with whatever some cis person is saying on TikTok, arguments over whether someone is valid enough, drama over someone else passing or not passing, and people who definitely get a lot worse from spending time here spending far too long. Most of its overcorrections are mirrors of the issues I listed with the mainstream, like people completely spiraling about dysphoria even when they personally might not be doing badly.
And what's your favorite thing about it?
There is no other trans community with half as much niche medical info, biohackers, and people who will help you get DIY HRT, and that's pretty cool!
I think whatever website you're getting this jargon from is hurting you.
4tran gave me courage to fight for better HRT and FFS, an amazing boyfriend, and let me help a ton of other people to start HRT! It's been an incredibly positive force in my life, and has been for many others too. You can't just neatly file it away as the evil trans incel community.
Naturally, what's the first thing they do when they make their own subs? Why, it's to post about incest "purely" as a form of "weeding out" people that they don't like! Because talking about how desperately you want to rape your family members as a way to upset others is what I'd call, at the end of the day, some damn good optics. For the transphobes, that is.
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We should do more incest posting on r/countttt to weed out some of the annoying sneeds and newfags. I see so many on there im worried about these spaces getting too much traction.
of course it doesn't hurt us the same! The rest of us aren't as detached from reality as you are!
