donatlus 88 points 2 days ago
Damn have they got the entirely wrong impression of intersectionality.
It's way more accurate to say that as someone who sits on the intersection of man and trans that you'll face unique discrimination due to that intersection. That's how an intersection works. They intersect. They don't cancel each other out lol.
[–]TaxEvasionWasTaken2 18 points 2 days ago
Yeah lol, I really don't think they know how it works. But they're also definitely the kind of people who don't want to be wrong, so they refuse to accept that.
The whole can-never-be-wrong thing has actually led to some pretty funny (looking back on it) experiences though. In a conversation with my mom and a friend at one point, my friend used 'she', and my mom said "her pronouns are he/him", and when I mentioned that, she said she used 'her' to "show what pronouns the other person was using and why it was wrong"
I'm looking back on this and laughing because seriously, she cannot just accept that a mistake might've been made
[–]apocalypse_massacre 11 points 2 days ago
Yeahhhhhh cis women in particular don't accept criticism of their behavior toward trans men, they refuse to accept they have any privilege over us. Debating them is pretty useless cuz they'll just twist our frustrations (in response to abuse) as somehow being aggressive and a sign of our privilege. This has been going on forever, and doesn't seem to be any signs of changing- that's why a lot of trans men stealth + cut cords once able. Trans/queer and feminist communities just bring more abuse, we only exist as scapegoats/whipping boys for them.
X_CanesHe/Him | Transsex 37 points 2 days ago
I can tell you right now that your family is absolutely stupid for this take. I suffer from the same issues as you minus already having T. No one respects me and I even allowed them to choose a name for me since they didn’t like the one I picked. I have no more “privilege” being trans than being seen as cis.
I didn’t even know this argument existed prior to this post so this is wild to me.
[–]TaxEvasionWasTaken2 11 points 2 days ago
I also didn't hear this argument until I dared to say that trans men, in fact, do face problems. I showed them some of the stuff that happened on r/trans and another sub when they said transmasc issues weren't real and then they still said they weren't real. Actually wild.
[–]X_CanesHe/Him | Transsex 10 points 2 days ago
That is completely wild. I can’t stand people being like that. It’s wild how hostile the larger trans community is to us but also how much we’re ostracized by the rest of the world.
[–]TaxEvasionWasTaken2 2 points 2 days ago
Exactly, same thoughts here.
[–]X_CanesHe/Him | Transsex 4 points 2 days ago
The wildest part to me is your family supporting your sister not you.
[–]TaxEvasionWasTaken2 8 points 2 days ago
I'm pretty sure it's because they're all definitely of the 'masculinity = bad' mindset, and so in their minds, my sister is perfect because she went over to the 'good side', and I did the opposite.
At the very least, despite the rant in the post, my sister's pretty supportive, and even if she's still convinced I'm gaining privilege/status via transition somehow, she still has my back.
[–]X_CanesHe/Him | Transsex 4 points 2 days ago
Good vs Bad side of gender is so ughhh.
Well that is good at least yeah!
Zombskirus 16 points 2 days ago
It does not matter if you're a trans man, trans woman, nonbinary, etc, cis people in general hold power over ALL trans people. Point blank. Yeah, being a trans man, many of us don't have to deal with living as a woman, but that doesn't mean we're safer. Our SA and general violence statistics are much higher than cis women, are some of the highest, if not the highest, in general. Anti-trans laws and transphobia still affect us despite what so many people have convinced themselves. We aren't left out of trans discrimination just because we're men. Do they genuinely think transphobes are fine with trans men lol??
I'm so sorry your family is saying this shit. Trans men face such high rates of violence, but because we're men, people don't wanna acknowledge that. Our discrimination, our history, etc, is erased and that is not on purpose. The mindset that we have the same privilege as cis men just contributes to that erasure and ensure trans men continue being harmed with little to no help. Everyone wants to talk on our experiences, yet no one wants to listen. I hope you have another support system that actually listens to you and trans men as a whole.
[–]Pan_seyyyxual 7 points 1 day ago
And also since some of us still have a uterus and a vulva. Reproductive rights also affects us. Abortion rights affects us. Maternal care affects us. Cervical cancer, endometriosis, PCOS, etc affects us. Medical misogyny affects us. Some of us couldn't even get hysterectomy if we wanted to.
[–]Zombskirus 6 points 1 day ago
1000%!!!! Trying to get a hysto was miserable. I had to go thru two different insurance companies because the first wouldn't cover even my appointments to just talk to my surgeon. I also had to dig to find that surgeon myself as no doctor would recommend any to me. It took almost 2 years just to actually get the surgery process going. My surgeon had to lie on my behalf so my insurance would even entertain covering the costs.
People act as tho being a man is enough to just never experience oppression or hardships as if we ain't also trans? As if all of society sees us as men and gives us the care and support we need without issue lol.
[–]Revolutionary-Tie908 0 points 1 day ago
What’s different from a trans man experience violence from a cis man experience violence. Cis men and trans men should stick together as bros.
[–]Zombskirus 9 points 1 day ago
I agree we should stick together! As much as I hate being separated from cis men, cis men don't typically have to deal with transphobia. Cis men aren't called "female" or "woman" in a taunting way, don't have to worry about forced impregnation, don't have to deal with anti-trans laws, don't have to spend money and effort and time to transition, don't have to worry about their right to their care being taken away based on being trans, don't have to deal with dysphoria, etc. Of course, this all depends on many factors, like how far along in transition one is, your region/country, your support system, etc.