📚 Megathread TRA Intersex Activists / TRA "Interfakers" - Trans Activists Who Claim To Be Intersex

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Worth mentioning that "intersex" as a clinical term is on its way out because it's inaccurate and confuses people. The current preferred term is Disorders of Sexual Development (DSD), which includes androgen insensitivity syndrome as Pagonis has, and higher profile cases like the South African middle-distance runner Caster Semenya, who has 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD).

In the other direction, you have people categorizing much more common and less severe conditions as intersex/DSD to cement their victimhood, so you'll encounter female wokies claiming to be "intersex" because they have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome as @Monkey Pink mentions above.
 
Worth mentioning that "intersex" as a clinical term is on its way out because it's inaccurate and confuses people. The current preferred term is Disorders of Sexual Development (DSD), which includes androgen insensitivity syndrome as Pagonis has, and higher profile cases like the South African middle-distance runner Caster Semenya, who has 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD).

In the other direction, you have people categorizing much more common and less severe conditions as intersex/DSD to cement their victimhood, so you'll encounter female wokies claiming to be "intersex" because they have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome as @Monkey Pink mentions above.
Speaking of Caster Semenya, I read an article by a woman with XY/XX mosiacism about her case and the statistics of a race that she did with women without DSD’s. She scored only slightly higher than the other women. The only woman who beat her was on performance-enhancing drugs. The author believed that intersex people deserved their own sporting competitions.

I’ve seen intersectional feminists go on about Caster’s treatment being “racist”, which doesn’t make sense as all intersex athletes have gone through what she has gone through. Ewa Kłobukowska had her world records erased after she was revealed to have XX/XXY mosaicism. Stanisława Walasiewicz (Stella Walsh) was posthumously revealed to have XO/XY mosaicism (mixed gonadal dysgenesis) and there is debate over whether to remove her achievements and records.
 
Speaking of Caster Semenya, I read an article by a woman with XY/XX mosiacism about her case and the statistics of a race that she did with women without DSD’s. She scored only slightly higher than the other women. The only woman who beat her was on performance-enhancing drugs. The author believed that intersex people deserved their own sporting competitions.

I’ve seen intersectional feminists go on about Caster’s treatment being “racist”, which doesn’t make sense as all intersex athletes have gone through what she has gone through. Ewa Kłobukowska had her world records erased after she was revealed to have XX/XXY mosaicism. Stanisława Walasiewicz (Stella Walsh) was posthumously revealed to have XO/XY mosaicism (mixed gonadal dysgenesis) and there is debate over whether to remove her achievements and records.
The racism charge has always been so obnoxious, it only makes sense if you honestly believe that Caster doesn't look different from a normal black female athlete, which *obviously* she does, it's the reason she was singled out in the first place! To pretend otherwise is playing right into the hands of actually racist edgelords like the ones on A&N who claim that black women all look like men.

I get the sentiment behind an "other" category for athletics (whether it's for trans people, people with DSDs or other medical issues, enbies, whatever) but I haven't see any way such a category wouldn't effectively turn into "Less competitive men." The winner in the non-binary category of the NYC Marathon last year (the NYC Marathon just started an enby category because of course they did) was a perfectly normal looking dude named Jacob Caswell who got a few thousand dollars in prize money for his stunning and brave achievement of coming in 172nd overall.
 
These are the disgusting fucks that have been trying to say that PCOS, a FEMALE OVARIAN syndrome, is an "intersex condition" because it raises testosterone.
"FatSapphicBro", who already has a thread of her own, is in this group. She thinks PCOS makes her intersex.




You can find more like her with the phase "Hormonal intersex".

 
Speaking of Caster Semenya, I read an article by a woman with XY/XX mosiacism about her case and the statistics of a race that she did with women without DSD’s. She scored only slightly higher than the other women. The only woman who beat her was on performance-enhancing drugs. The author believed that intersex people deserved their own sporting competitions.

I’ve seen intersectional feminists go on about Caster’s treatment being “racist”, which doesn’t make sense as all intersex athletes have gone through what she has gone through. Ewa Kłobukowska had her world records erased after she was revealed to have XX/XXY mosaicism. Stanisława Walasiewicz (Stella Walsh) was posthumously revealed to have XO/XY mosaicism (mixed gonadal dysgenesis) and there is debate over whether to remove her achievements and records.
This is the shit I mean about sports. Actual women with intersex issues having shit taken because of being physically superior to other women due to genetics and hard work.
Why? This is race to the bottom shit. Kicking out dudes pretending to be women? Sure. But this keeps proving time and time again that women are so fucking butthurt about being inferior. Fuck it, make all sports all sex inclusive. I've said it before and will again. All races, all sexes, all ages.
 
This is from InterACT's website:
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How odd. Are these stunning intersex activists saying that you shouldn't mutilate children's genitals? But I thought that operating on children will save their life?
Troons severely dislike intersex people, to a degree that makes their hate of "cis" people seem silly. Intersex people have an excuse for "gender dysphoria" while they really don't besides mental issues. And yes, if anyone deserves "gender" care it would be these people because they were born with massive defects physically.

Intersex people sometimes have gender dysphoria, and sometimes don't, but are usually mentally more normal than troons ever could be.
 
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Is it me, or is Mari (top left) just describing PCOS? Doing a dive on her she seems to be a big collector of oppression badges (she claims she was homeless because her mom kicked her out of the house at age 20), so I'm very curious about this one.

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Is it me, or is Mari (top left) just describing PCOS? Doing a dive on her she seems to be a big collector of oppression badges (she claims she was homeless because her mom kicked her out of the house at age 20), so I'm very curious about this one.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariwrobi/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/gendrfendrbendr
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She’s almost certainly describing PCOS, which an estimated 10% of women have. It’s not a DSD. Sophia— middle tile— could be describing this too, as PCOS causes elevated androgen levels and can lead to devolving an enlarged clitoris. Could be CAH, which has health impacts beyond infertility but is much rarer.
 
Intersex people are about the only gender specials who have a leg to stand on. Not only do they actually have biological differences, performing gender confirmation surgeries on infants is barbarism worse than SRS.

Of course it gets coopted by troons instantly for oppression points.
 
It seems like someone trying to co-opt edge cases, with their own set of problems, for their own ends. It’s pretty disgusting and I feel bad for the people who grew up with a condition that physically renders them incapable of having kids, I can understand why the Intersex would have issue with infant gender correction surgery.

I don’t understand why Intersex people would want to be an Identity. They’re an extremely small minority and it’s sucks that they’re going to be trampled on so that an otherwise healthy man can cut off their penis.
I knew a girl with Turner syndrome in middle school and puberty sucked for her because it meant going to doctors constantly so she could develop.
 
She’s almost certainly describing PCOS, which an estimated 10% of women have. It’s not a DSD. Sophia— middle tile— could be describing this too, as PCOS causes elevated androgen levels and can lead to devolving an enlarged clitoris. Could be CAH, which has health impacts beyond infertility but is much rarer.
I found this piece written for Gay Times, which suggests that the culprit might be Nonclassical Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH) that she has chosen not to address medically. The fact that she doesn't name the condition is suspect, though:

Why use the word officially, you might ask? Because even though the process started when I was 18, no one used the word intersex to describe my body’s natural hormonal variations or the differing function of my internal reproductive structure even though these things make me officially intersex.​

With all the misconceptions and misrepresentations there are about the intersex experience, I assumed that intersex people were sat down by their doctor and told: “You are intersex.” Or, more likely, “I’m so sorry, but unfortunately you are intersex.”

Intersex people are viewed as a biological fluke, a mistake. Certainly not an identity to be celebrated – which is why most intersex people are never told that we’re intersex. Admitting that we’re intersex would mean identifying that there is a broader community of people with a shared or similar experience that would create a sense of pride, the creation of our own culture, and our mobilisation against the injustices that intersex people face. So, the word intersex is left out of most of our stories – for months, years, even decades at a time. Given this stigma, most people will never understand the absolute relief that followed the discovery that I’m intersex.

The process started for me several years after I’d already come out as transgender. Rather than being concerned when I didn’t get my period, I was elated. It was as if my prayers had been answered. My stomach and legs being hairier than my brother was a personal achievement. My higher-than-average sex drive was the social expectation for a boy my age. I liked that I didn’t need to strain my voice for it to take on a naturally deeper tone. And I even remember making a secret trip to Target so that I could buy men’s razors to shave the thick hair growing on my face.

My body felt like a home to the identity that I was cultivating as a boy going through puberty. But I eventually came to understand that this puberty – during which I developed the ‘wrong’ secondary sex characteristics as a result of my body producing the ‘wrong’ primary sex hormones – was an intersex puberty that I simply didn’t have the knowledge or vocabulary to describe. The dysphoria and disconnect that I felt with my assigned sex at birth and the feeling that my body was more aligned with the other binary sex was a result of being intersex, not transgender.

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I wouldn’t have even known if it weren’t for a conversation I accidentally started with my doctor. Normally “When was your last period?” was a question I shrugged off, but one day I answered it honestly instead. “I’ve never had my period.” Finding out that you’re intersex doesn’t happen in just one conversation, though. It’s not like finding out you have the flu where there are a few, quick and easily identifiable symptoms. No, finding out that you’re intersex happens over the course of hundreds of conversations with doctors, parents, partners, and online forums full of messages asking the same question that had crossed my mind once or twice. “I’m already 18, 19, 20, and I’ve never had my period. Am I okay?! Help!” But after enough bloodwork to feel like a pin cushion and enough Googling to finally find the word intersex, I started to understand why I always felt so different. Why I never felt like a ‘normal girl’. Why I felt dysphoria with my assigned sex and with the gender I identified as. Why I didn’t feel like I had the ‘typical’ trans experience. I breathed a sigh of relief when I finally put two-and-two together. I am intersex. The thought made me feel like I was going to be alright after all.

A few studies have looked at the intersection between intersex and LGBTQ identities. One study from 2016 found that 52% of intersex people identify as ‘non-heterosexual’. Another study found that up to 40% of intersex people experience dysphoria and transition, compared to only 10% of the general population. And, when looking at the statistics of intersex youth specifically, 75% identify as LGBTQ. Needless to say, intersex people are very integrated into the LGBTQ community – whether the ‘I’ is included in the acronym or not. As someone who identifies as non-binary and bisexual, I initially expected a positive experience within my community. But the LGBTQ community has not always been the most welcome place for intersex people.

For instance, I was used to cisgender people asking me about my genitals or which bathroom I used, but I wasn’t prepared for this to come from trans people too. Most people, whether they’re cis or trans, harbor the incorrect assumption that all intersex people have ‘ambiguous’ genitals.

Within the LGBTQ community, this ambiguity is viewed with jealousy and desire, to the point where trans people tell me that they wish they were intersex. But they don’t wish they were actually intersex, because that means medical trauma, social discrimination, and ignorance like this. They either want points for existing outside of the sex binary, or ‘ambiguous’ genitals to validate their non-binary gender or androgynous presentation.

Aside from fetishisation, I’ve been referred to as a hermaphrodite – a slur used against intersex people – within the LGBTQ community. I’ve been told that intersex people make up such a small percentage of the population that we’re not worth including or discussing even though intersex people make up about 1 in 40 people, the same amount of people in the population with red hair. Further, it’s often assumed that all intersex people are non-binary and, for those of us who are, since our non-binary sex matches our non-binary gender, we’re actually cisgender.

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Perhaps worst of all, intersex people are routinely left out of conversations that affect us too, such as discussions on bathroom bills, reproductive rights, non-binary gender markers, coercive gendering of infants, Title IX protections, and more.

So, how can we make the LGBTQ community more welcome for intersex people? Easy. Use language that is inclusive of intersex experiences. Terms that are considered trans-inclusive such as ‘people with penises/vaginas’ or ‘biologically male/female’ actually exclude intersex people by focusing on the genitalia rather than its function. Instead, say what you mean. Say, ‘people who menstruate’, ‘people who can get pregnant/can get someone pregnant’, ‘people at risk of testicular cancer’, to include intersex people who can also do those things.

Recognise that all intersex people are different. Intersex people are just as diverse in our gender, expressions, presentations, and sexualities as non-intersex people. We can be cis or trans, straight or queer, masculine or feminine or both or neither – don’t assume you know our identities based on the fact that we’re intersex alone.

Don’t use intersex people as ‘gotchas’. A common retort from people during transphobic arguments is ‘but if there are only two genders, then how do intersex people exist?’ Try to avoid this. Intersex people don’t exist solely to further your arguments, we are a diverse community with unique needs that deserve our own spotlight.

Don’t include us as an afterthought. At the end of the day, the debate about including the ‘I’ in the acronym is fought on both sides. But including one letter as a last-ditch effort to be inclusive doesn’t quite cut it. Unless you intend to make the community a safe, inclusive and affirming place for intersex people, then don’t simply add the ‘I’ for ally points. Do your part to stand up for intersex people and educate others on being the best intersex allies they can be before claiming inclusivity.

Finally, listen to intersex people. Doing this is the quickest way to signal that your community welcomes ours and is the easiest way to create a space for us both.

Regarding that "naturally deep voice" of hers:

There is literally not one single oppression token that this woman has not collected: She's disabled (ADHD)! She's queer (though on Twitter she talks about being in a three-year relationship with a man)! She's polyamorous! She's BIPOC! She's Latinx! She's trans! She's nonbinary! Reading between the lines, my guess she sought treatment for non-existent periods at age 18, was diagnosed PCOS or CAH, and then once she had gone through undergrad and and had her Awokening, realized the valuable social currency such conditions can carry if you frame them the right way.
 
CAH is more often picked up in infants, though, because they have heart problems stemming from hyponatraemia (salt wasting, electrolyte imbalances). It can be life-threatening in severe cases. Maybe she doesn’t have a severe case. Maybe she’s a lunatic.
 
CAH is more often picked up in infants, though, because they have heart problems stemming from hyponatraemia (salt wasting, electrolyte imbalances). It can be life-threatening in severe cases. Maybe she doesn’t have a severe case. Maybe she’s a lunatic.
There’s three types of CAH:
-salt-wasting CAH- causes ambiguous genitalia in females and salt-wasting in both sexes
-simple-virilizing CAH- causes ambiguous genitalia in females but there is no salt-wasting
-late-onset CAH- doesn’t cause ambiguous genitalia; symptoms don’t show up until adolescence
 
CAH is more often picked up in infants, though, because they have heart problems stemming from hyponatraemia (salt wasting, electrolyte imbalances). It can be life-threatening in severe cases. Maybe she doesn’t have a severe case. Maybe she’s a lunatic.
I'm extremely skeptical that she and her family just blithely ignored hirsutism and amenorrhea until she was 18, unless her parents are retarded and she never saw a doctor ever.

More than likely it's just "not like other girls" syndrome, a phrase that she nearly utters verbatim in the above piece.

Oh, here she is claiming bi oppression because she went to Pride with her boyfriend and people didn't immediately see how special she was:

It was my partner’s first Pride. He was new to identifying as bisexual and excited for the opportunity to exist in a space that was by and for people like him. It was my first Pride as a bisexual femme dating a cisgender man. It felt like new territory for us both. Him, dating someone who was nonbinary and bisexual and for the first time coming into his attraction to people other than cisgender women. Me, dating a man for the first time in my life after every Pride I’d ever attended before had been in the arms of a woman. Only, as someone who’d attended countless Pride events before, it didn’t feel that different to me. I was surrounded by people who loved me, I was loudly expressing my pride in being LGBTQ+, I was sharing a single space with my community, and I felt like I belonged.

It wasn’t until an after-Pride event that we attended that we were faced with a very challenging question. A friend of a friend looked us up and down, noted our intertwined hands and our overall closeness, and asked us, “Why are you here?” We were silenced by her question—confused by it, even—so she asked again. “Like, why did you come to Pride? Do you know someone who’s gay or something?”

That made it quite clear. Thankfully, someone pulled her away at that moment. But it left me thinking. As a bi person, was my inclusion in LGBTQ+ spaces always going to be questioned? Would I ever be able to exist in my relationship without feeling like it invalidated my experiences as a queer person? Was this person right, and were LGBTQ+ spaces not actually for me because of the way my relationship appeared?

It was this experience that led me to becoming a much more vocal bi activist than I’d ever been before. Previously, my bisexuality was almost an afterthought. An identity that didn’t shape or affect the way I existed in activist spaces, or anywhere else. It was a part of me, but a part that I very often overlooked so that I could talk about the other parts—like my identity as a person of color, as nonbinary, as femme, as intersex. I even identified myself as queer before identifying myself as bisexual, even though I preferred “bi” much more. But this experience was so subtle and so jarring that it made me realize why I needed to be a bi activist.

So… what does it mean, then, to be a bi activist?

To me, being a bi activist means being vocal about my bisexuality. It means that I don’t simply allow my bisexuality to be erased or forgotten. It means that every time I introduce myself in LGBTQ+ spaces, I introduce myself as bisexual too. Too often throughout LGBTQ+ history, bi activists are hailed as strictly gay activists or as gay people who changed their mind or as gay people with a straight past or as some other variety that translates to: ERASED. If my bisexuality is going to be erased from my activism, then I’m at least going to make it very hard to do so.

To me, being a bi activist also means normalizing the bi experience. Not just for other bi people, but for everyone. It means that not every bi person is going to have the same experience— and that’s okay. It means that bi people who only date people of the same gender or who only date people of a different gender are both equally bi. That bi people in relationships that look straight and cis and bi people in relationships that look traditionally queer are both still bi. That bisexuality does not hinge on someone’s relationship or lack thereof. That bi people who don’t fit any of the predetermined molds are no less bi because of it.

Being a bi activist also means overcoming the harmful stereotypes that are thrown at us and accepting those who “fit” these stereotypes. Not all bi people are confused—but some of us might be. Not all bi people are promiscuous—but some are. Not all bi people are attention-seeking—but some of us like to be the center of attention. Not all bi people are going through a phase—but phases aren’t necessarily a bad thing.

And that’s just the start.

To the untrained eye, it might seem strange that existing in a relationship deemed by much of the LGBTQ+ community as “not queer enough” is what propelled me into my bi activism. But it’s also what opened my eyes to the harmful ways that bi people are still treated in our community when we don’t fit the picture-perfect definition of what a bi person should be. So now, I won’t be quiet about allowing bi people—including myself—to exist exactly as we are.

Mari is a queer, trans, and intersex advocate from Sacramento, California—constantly challenging binaries, boxes, and bigots.
 
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And of course the majority go by they/them... I feel bad for people with DSDs who just want to live normal lives without getting thrown in with the rainbow mafia. It never made sense to me that someone who just happens to have a medical condition which causes the body to look/function differently would automatically be considered "queer". I recall Tumblr going crazy over some fashion model who turned out to have a condition which meant she was born without a uterus (MRKH?), and they were saying that made her intersex/KWEER when she was really just an ordinary woman with nothing to do with the genderspecial movement.

Is it me, or is Mari (top left) just describing PCOS? Doing a dive on her she seems to be a big collector of oppression badges (she claims she was homeless because her mom kicked her out of the house at age 20), so I'm very curious about this one.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariwrobi/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/gendrfendrbendr
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GenderUnbound: https://www.genderunbound.org/project/mari-wrobi/
No periods, like, ever? I know PCOS can cause them to be completely unpredictable, but she doesn't even appear to have that extreme of a case - there are women who've grown full beards because they have that much testosterone in their system. Of course I don't know her full history but find it hard to believe this otherwise normal looking woman has that bad of a hormonal imbalance.
 
And of course the majority go by they/them... I feel bad for people with DSDs who just want to live normal lives without getting thrown in with the rainbow mafia. It never made sense to me that someone who just happens to have a medical condition which causes the body to look/function differently would automatically be considered "queer". I recall Tumblr going crazy over some fashion model who turned out to have a condition which meant she was born without a uterus (MRKH?), and they were saying that made her intersex/KWEER when she was really just an ordinary woman with nothing to do with the genderspecial movement.
Are you talking about Hanne Gaby Odiele? Because she doesn’t have MRKH, but rather CAIS.
 
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