Crime Toronto man not criminally responsible for setting woman on fire - Tenzin Norbu doused Nyima Dolma with lighter fluid on a public bus in 2022

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A sketch artist's rendering of Tenzin Norbu in a downtown Toronto court Tuesday, listening to the decision finding him not criminally responsible for setting Nyima Dolma on fire in 2022. (Pam Davies)

A Toronto man has been found not criminally responsible for setting a woman on fire on a public bus in 2022.

Tenzin Norbu was charged with first-degree murder in the death of a woman who was a stranger to him. On June 17, 2022, Norbu used lighter fluid and a lighter to set Nyima Dolma on fire on a TTC bus in downtown Toronto, according to an agreed statement of facts before the court on Tuesday.

Norbu pleaded not guilty this week, and the Crown and defence had both agreed that he should be found not criminally responsible.

On Tuesday, Superior Court Justice Maureen Forestell concurred, saying that Norbu was suffering from schizophrenia that made him "incapable of appreciating his act was wrong."

Norbu sat alone before the justice as she delivered her verdict, while the family of the woman he killed watched the proceedings by video.

He will now appear at a hearing before the Ontario Review Board, which will determine the hospital where he will be held and what privileges, if any, he'll have there, Forestell said.

The board will put the public's safety first in its decision, she said.

The events of the case​

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Tenzin Norbu was found not criminally responsible for the death of a woman he set on fire on a TTC bus outside Kipling Station in 2022. (Darek Zdzienicki/CBC)

On June 17, 2022, Norbu got on a TTC bus in downtown Toronto carrying a bag, and approached a woman he did not know, 28-year-old Nyima Dolma, according to the court's agreed statement of facts.

He asked her if she was Tibetan, and when she said she was, he reached into his bag for a jar of lighter fluid, which he then poured on the woman before using a lighter to ignite her clothes, the court documents said. Dolma's body was badly burned and she suffered injuries from smoke inhalation.

She was taken to hospital, where she died 18 days later.

In a victim impact statement submitted to the court, Dolma's sister, Dawa Tsamchoe, described Dolma as a compassionate soul and dedicated nurse who was "committed to serving those in need."

"We can only pray, for her soul to finally find peace, and for her memory to be honoured," Tsamchoe wrote.

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Nyima Dolma, 28, died of her injuries 18 days after Tenzin Norbu set her on fire in 2022. The two did not know each other. On Tuesday, Norbu was found not criminally responsible for her death. (Toronto Police Service)

Justice Forestell said Tuesday that the lighter fluid Norbu had on him supported the argument he had planned to kill the woman that day.

In her decision, Forestell cited earlier testimony from forensic psychiatrist Dr. Alina Iosif, who had told the court she had assessed Norbu, and concluded he was suffering from schizophrenia when he set the woman on fire.

Iosif based her assessment on sessions with Norbu, as well as his medical records, and witness and video evidence from his 2022 attack, the court said.

Iosif testified that Norbu had been misdiagnosed with depression in the years before the bus attack.

Justice Forestell said she was satisfied that he was actively psychotic when he killed Dolma.

At the time of the attack, Norbu was under the belief that members of the Tibetan community hated him and that Dolma was recording him on video, Forestell told the court Tuesday.

Speaking outside the courthouse after the decision, Norbu's lawyer, Loui Dallas, told reporters the case was a sad situation for all parties, but the court's ruling was appropriate.

"He's a very sick man, our client," said Dallas. "He doesn't belong in a prison. He belongs in a hospital, with the hope that one day he no longer poses a significant threat to society."



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Institutions were not a mistake.

I personally know of two schizos that simply walk the Earth and are each a public menace. They lie to their therapists so they don't get committed and sell their meds on the street.

The system doesn't give a single shit. They sure as fuck care about what you are thinking though.

I am thinking we need to lock mental patients up.
 
It sounds like ragebait but this is the correct judicial opinion when someone is so completely out of their mind they don't fully realize what they're doing. The real outrage will come down the line, if and when they decide he's fit for release (these people are never fit for release and must be contained until they die).
 
I am thinking we need to lock mental patients up.
Some of them. The UK has its 'care in the community' scam that the Tories implemented so they could sell off the land that the asylums were built on so we're in the same boat. Mostly, people with severe mental health problems/mental disabilities are waaaay more likely to be a victim of crime than to commit it (I vaguely remember one study claiming they were 20x more likely to be victims than the general population) so we need funny farms both to protect society from some loonies and to protect other loonies from society.
There are still a few secure psychiatric facilities, like Broadmoor, and psych hospitals but you have to be off the planet at that time or actively trying to top yourself to get in.
There's also a limited number of 'assisted living' communities for the mentally disabled (my brain-damaged cousin was in one for a while until his parents found out he was being abused and the place got shut down) but nowhere near enough.

It sounds like ragebait but this is the correct judicial opinion when someone is so completely out of their mind they don't fully realize what they're doing. The real outrage will come down the line, if and when they decide he's fit for release (these people are never fit for release and must be contained until they die).
Yep. In the UK, he would be out after 12 years or so for murder but he may never get out if he's in a secure psych facility.
 
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It sounds like ragebait but this is the correct judicial opinion when someone is so completely out of their mind they don't fully realize what they're doing. The real outrage will come down the line, if and when they decide he's fit for release (these people are never fit for release and must be contained until they die).
Tenzin Norbu is 33 years old. He didn't become a schizo yesterday. They allowed a public menace to walk free and now want to pretend there is no liability.

Okay then. Keep the schizo on ice. Run the entire city of Toronto through the wringer and sue them for every single penny.

This is all to shield the state from liability. Let's not get this twisted. They fucked up and are sweeping it away.
 
It sounds like ragebait but this is the correct judicial opinion when someone is so completely out of their mind they don't fully realize what they're doing. The real outrage will come down the line, if and when they decide he's fit for release (these people are never fit for release and must be contained until they die).
When someone is completely out of their mind they need to be either thrown in a mental hospital until they are healthy again or locked away in a cell to prevent further damage to others.

The former is so economically taxing, and historically rife with abuse and corruption, that it really isn't worth it and the latter is so cruel that simply executing them would be more kind. That is not even going into the legal nonsense that allows so many killers and criminal scumbags to skate charges on insanity defenses.

The reality is that either society actively devotes way more resources to PROPERLY diagnosing and treating severe mental health issues or we kill them (when the crime warrants it) to protect everyone else and keep criminals from using it as a defense. Having a middle ground has the cost of the former and is more cruel to both society and those with legitimate severe mental illnesses than the latter.
 
How is it a schizo thing when he sought her out for being Tibetan?
He asked her if she was Tibetan, and when she said she was, he reached into his bag for a jar of lighter fluid
Norbu was under the belief that members of the Tibetan community hated him and that Dolma was recording him on video,
...Oh. I guess he thought he was being gangstalked by Tibetans. How bizarre.


Well now this reminds me of the Chinaman, also in Canada, who ate that carnival worker's face on a Greyhound because he thought for sure the guy was an alien. That guy was also found not criminally responsible due to schizophrenia.
 
It sounds like ragebait but this is the correct judicial opinion when someone is so completely out of their mind they don't fully realize what they're doing. The real outrage will come down the line, if and when they decide he's fit for release (these people are never fit for release and must be contained until they die).
Its canada, he'll be held in a psych ward for a maximum of 18 months, since thats all those places are ever allowed to do or the usual civil rights groups force the issue, then he'll be dumped back on the street 'with conditions' that he'll never follow cause he's mental and doesn't give a shit and he'll do this again before much longer

It happens every single time

The best part is its ontario, where if you criticize any of this, call him a murderer or say he should be in prison, or even say he's potentially dangerous you can be prosecuted for a hate crime for discriminating against somebody who a court says is severely mentally ill and not responsible for his actions
 
Get rid of the insanity/mental instability thing. It's a catch-22.
"An insane person cannot commit a crime, because it takes a sane person to know they're commiting a crime, but only an insane person would commit a crime."
He was competent enough to know how lighter fluid and fire work, that they can be used to kill, he sourced the materials, transported them and used them knowing full well what would happen.
If he's so insane that he can't function, just hang him. Save everyone the trouble.
 
Tenzin Norbu is 33 years old. He didn't become a schizo yesterday. They allowed a public menace to walk free and now want to pretend there is no liability.

It's possible. Schizophrenia tends to manifest later, although he'd be on the very tail end of it.

My concern is if he was prior diagnosed as schizophrenic and wasn't taking his medication or some such. If that's the case I'd argue he's liable and deserves jail, not a hospital.

Its canada, he'll be held in a psych ward for a maximum of 18 months, since thats all those places are ever allowed to do or the usual civil rights groups force the issue, then he'll be dumped back on the street 'with conditions' that he'll never follow cause he's mental and doesn't give a shit and he'll do this again before much longer

Although it is very common for the release conditions you mentioned to happen with dangerous offenders, a NCR verdict means you're basically at the whims of the Review Board who, yes, typically shuffle folks right out the door thanks to overcrowding/underfunding.

But it's not always the case, and there are offenders who are indefinitely locked up. Big one is Matthew de Grood, who was an undiagnosed schizo who killed 5 people and has been in custody (with some limited freedom, such as weekend passes) for over 10 years. In his case, I support the NCR decision (he thought werewolves and vampires were coming after him) but I also support him staying locked up because he's done very little in the way of treatment.

If you're going to claim insanity and not get help, fuck you. Stay in the loony bin.
 
Well now this reminds me of the Chinaman, also in Canada, who ate that carnival worker's face on a Greyhound because he thought for sure the guy was an alien. That guy was also found not criminally responsible due to schizophrenia.
Vince Li. At least that was his name; he was able to legally change it after his unconditional release. Yep, unconditional release. He has no legal obligations to treat his schizophrenia and is out walking the streets again.
 
Kwang Hui, please warm up the helicopter. You're flying left seat. Ken, please fly right seat. Yuri and Kira, please assist Mike, the crew chief, after the rest of us have completed the special processing.

The court was wrong. They don't give a flying fuck about the poor lady who was burned to death.
 
Living with schizophrenia is painful. They should kindly offer him an all-expenses paid trip to the MAID clinic.
 
The most scary thing about this was he was carrying fuel in preparation for killing any Tibetan he came across.
If he was genuinely scared, why didn't he just carry a knife or a shotgun in his bag? He wanted his innocent "persecutor" to suffer.
...Oh. I guess he thought he was being gangstalked by Tibetans. How bizarre.
Tenzin is a very Tibetan name, so he's blaming the whole community for others rightfully avoiding his dangerous self.
I figured Sati-esque burnings would be more commonplace in Pajeetface Trudeau's pajeet haven.
Wrong kind of Azn. Tibetans (and Nepalis) never supported Sati. Maybe it was because they are more culturally enlightened, maybe it was because there wasn't enough wood to spare.
 
He's obviously crazy but if they don't lock him up forever without the possibility of release then they've failed society (again).
 
Dying by fire is apparently the most painful way to go. Too bad he won't face the same agony.
 
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