The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

[Slav Power]

Where did you find that? And I imagine we might get that for desktops eventually, a gamepad-centric interface would be awesome for desktop gaming and HTPCs

Straight from the horse's mouth:

I mean, if Valve showing that their flavor of Linux is viable for gaming kicks Microsoft in the ass to work on Windows 11 being less shit then I'm all here for it. This is what capitalism is all about, you either one-up each other to deliver a good product or you perish, and when you innovate, the consumer gets better products.

I'm assuming that all these changes will inevitably trickle down into Windows 11 25H2, but only time will tell.

 

[The Ugly One]

Do you really think this thing is good?

A billion times better than Eclipse, sits nicely between a heavyweight full IDE and a pure text editor in functionality. I last set up a project in it maybe 2 years ago. I especially like how easily it handles remote machines and VMs.

Moore's Law Is Dead on Youtube. Windows 11 on handheld wastes so much overhead on services that could be used to play games and save battery like SteamOS does efficiently.

Which is why neither Intel nor AMD are ultimately to blame with how shitty Windows laptops are in energy consumption. They bear some blame for their insane clock speeds, but so much comes down to the fact Windows is built primarily for desktops with zero concern for power consumption, and only has laptop features slapped in as an afterthought. 25 years of using Windows laptops, and I still haven't had one that sleeps 100% reliably when I close the lid and wakes up 100% reliably when I open it. The Apple Tax is worth it for that alone.

 

[the rat]

The XBox handheld with Microsoft XBox OS stripped 2GB of Windows 11 services so the hardware can actually play games. Why couldn't we have that for the desktop?

And then I will still soyface when it is discovered that Windows 7 still plays games that Windows 11 can faster.

Which is why neither Intel nor AMD are ultimately to blame with how shitty Windows laptops are in energy consumption. They bear some blame for their insane clock speeds, but so much comes down to the fact Windows is built primarily for desktops with zero concern for power consumption, and only has laptop features slapped in as an afterthought. 25 years of using Windows laptops, and I still haven't had one that sleeps 100% reliably when I close the lid and wakes up 100% reliably when I open it. The Apple Tax is worth it for that alone.

Doesn't Windows actively turn itself on during sleep killing the battery in the process? There must be a way to disable that gay shit (i will cry if it's a matter of disabling wake timers and disallowing your nic to wake your computer).

 

[Slav Power]

(i will cry if it's a matter of disabling wake timers and disallowing your nic to wake your computer)

That's the way you do it unfortunately.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Power\PowerSettings\f15576e8-98b7-4186-b944-eafa664402d9]
"DCSettingIndex"=dword:00000000

Modern standby is a bitch.

 

[The Ugly One]

Doesn't Windows actively turn itself on during sleep killing the battery in the process? There must be a way to disable that gay shit (i will cry if it's a matter of disabling wake timers and disallowing your nic to wake your computer).

Yes, and yes, you do need to manually disable wake timers. But even after all that, the OS still has a sleep override flag that any application can set, preventing sleeping at all when you close the lid. I had some janky freeware that would set this flag and could not figure out why in the hell my laptop would run blazing hot when I closed the lid.

 

[the rat]

That's the way you do it unfortunately.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Power\PowerSettings\f15576e8-98b7-4186-b944-eafa664402d9]
"DCSettingIndex"=dword:00000000

Modern standby is a bitch.

Seems like there is multiple ways of going about it from directly editing that reg value, making the option visible in the power plan settings by going to that registry location and adding a DWORD called "Attributes" with the value of 2 or using the Group Policy Editor (my beloved) at Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Power Management > Sleep Settings



Zog bless you CEO Curry Man for having this option hidden in the power plan by default.

 

[Betonhaus]

Doesn't Windows actively turn itself on during sleep killing the battery in the process? There must be a way to disable that gay shit (i will cry if it's a matter of disabling wake timers and disallowing your nic to wake your computer).

I remember how Windows 10 absolutely refused to sleep on a completely fresh install, until you completely disabled live tiles in the start menu. Nothing else would prevent my computer from waking immediately after being put to sleep.

 

[Slav Power]

Seems like there is multiple ways of going about it

Yeah, pretty much the case with 99% of settings in Windows. You have:
-control panels
-Group Policy editor
-registry
-PowerShell
Where more often than not it's all different ways to edit the registry. Pre-made .reg files and PowerShell probably being the easiest and fastest two options to use. Most importantly, can be easily automated and replicated for fresh installs.

 

[The Ugly One]

I remember how Windows 10 absolutely refused to sleep on a completely fresh install, until you completely disabled live tiles in the start menu. Nothing else would prevent my computer from waking immediately after being put to sleep.

I have a Chinese sound bar plugged into my desktop, the mere fact that the USB is used for power (sound plugs into the headphone jack because it is jank-ass trash, but it works) means my desktop wakes up constantly if it's plugged in.

Seems like there is multiple ways of going about it from directly editing that reg value, making the option visible in the power plan settings by going to that registry location and adding a DWORD called "Attributes" with the value of 2 or using the Group Policy Editor (my beloved) at Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Power Management > Sleep Settings

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Zog bless you CEO Curry Man for having this option hidden in the power plan by default.

I hate how so much stuff is only configurable via the registry. It's like the user-friendliness of Linux with the bullshit of Windows!

 

[Blorgus]

Blame Dave Cutler for not allowing files under NTFS to be updated when they are in use. Windows has to update them after unloading 99% of the OS and before loading it by design. Microsoft enforcing those update shutdowns/restarts from 10 onward is another story though.

Then again, those Linux psychos that keep up years long uptimes of their PC's just to boast their neofetch screenshots will be running outdated, possibly vulnerable code in memory despite Linux filesystems allowing for those "live updates" so to speak. So yeah, in a way Microsoft enforcing those restarts has a point, even if not letting you to just close your shit right here and then and postpone the update to a time where you can spend those few minutes waiting for it to finish is pants-on-head retarded.

Not certain this is true. From my experience writing third party filesystems for windows. Unless there the sharemode flags were incompatible with the initially opened flag (I.e: first open had requested exclusive access) the file handle should be returned successfully.

You can imagine it's pretty important to prevent people from arbitrarily deleting the exe files mem mapped to a process.

Honestly though you can imagine there's a lot of pajeet coded applications who perhaps abuse this mechanism and as such it leads to frustrating times fighting with file explorer to delete a 40GB thumbnail cache.

 

[the rat]

Yeah, pretty much the case with 99% of settings in Windows. You have:
-control panels
-Group Policy editor
-registry
-PowerShell
Where more often than not it's all different ways to edit the registry. Pre-made .reg files and PowerShell probably being the easiest and fastest two options to use. Most importantly, can be easily automated and replicated for fresh installs.

I know that I just wanted to share what I found from my quick 5 second Google search

 

[babaisyou]

Microsoft has announced that it’s making Windows 10’s extended security updates (ESU) program free for anyone who syncs their PC settings data to the cloud via a Microsoft Account, using the new Windows Backup app. While mainstream support still ends on October 14 this year, the company is making it very easy to remain supported via security updates until October 2026 for free.

The Windows 10 ESU program was first announced last year, and it costs $30 per device if you choose not to sign in with a Microsoft Account and sync your PC settings to the cloud. Alternatively, you can also pay 1,000 Microsoft Reward points if you don’t want to give over hard cash. Enrolling your PC into the ESU program is done via a dedicated app that will begin rolling out in July.

Taken from Link, Original Microsoft Blogpost

 

[Slav Power]

Taken from Link, Original Microsoft Blogpost

In other words: "oh shit we fucked up with 11 hard how do we keep our existing userbase but also get more data to sell to make green line go up".

Meanwhile I'm here chilling, lightly ricing it up.

In case you wanna know, winfetch and a custom profile. None of this Oh My Posh BS, keeping it simple and lean.

 

[the rat]

In other words: "oh shit we fucked up with 11 hard how do we keep our existing userbase but also get more data to sell to make green line go up".

Meanwhile I'm here chilling, lightly ricing it up.
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In case you wanna know, winfetch and a custom profile. None of this Oh My Posh BS, keeping it simple and lean.

You literally behave like a Linux user except you use Windows instead.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Well, if you got Windows 10, you might be eligible for free extended security updates past October. If you got 1,000 Microsoft points, you can exchange them for it.

I didn't even know I had 8,000 Microsoft points so you might very well have enough, and if not, they are pretty easy to earn in Bing.

https://www.engadget.com/computing/windows-10-users-can-get-extended-security-updates-for-1000-microsoft-rewards-points-170023129.html

I still got one computer on Windows 10, the rest are on Linux and/or Windows 11

 

[Jang Joo]

Taken from Link, Original Microsoft Blogpost

>either gib moni or gib data that we will sell for moni
Yeah, no. LTSC or bust. Do a flip.

 

[Baraka Obama]

>either gib moni or gib data that we will sell for moni
Yeah, no. LTSC or bust. Do a flip.

It's a good thing for normies just using a perfectly good PC until it breaks.

 

[The Ugly One]

You literally behave like a Linux user except you use Windows instead.

Wait, he's trans?

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Windows UI has felt like five different teams who don't communicate at all are designing it for years, and they also just sort of mindlessly copy trends without rhyme or reason. I doubt there was any justification for moving the Start button to the middle beyond "Apple does it." Same with that awful flat UI for Win 10, it felt like somebody told them, "Hey, flat is the 'in' thing now, quick, make everything flat."

The Start button in the center is NOT aping anything Apple ever did, and it can be locked to one side or the other, but the Win11 taskbar is absolute shit.

My favorite thing in Windows 10 and 11 is having to use the allegedly-deprecated NT Control Panel to change some settings. How many generations into the transition away from that OS does it take to move the fucking settings from there into the new UI?

Moore's Law Is Dead on Youtube. Windows 11 on handheld wastes so much overhead on services that could be used to play games and save battery like SteamOS does efficiently.

Windows burns 30% or more of CPU cycles just basically checking that its wallet is still in its back pocket.

The overhead in Windows is absolutely absurd, and keeps getting worse. If MS could refactor Windows at this point, the performance gains would probably make 10-year old equipment perform like bleeding edge stuff does now.

 

[The Ugly One]

The Start button in the center is NOT aping anything Apple ever did, and it can be locked to one side or the other, but the Win11 taskbar is absolute shit.

Everything is centered in OSX.


Dollars to donuts that the reason Windows 11 moved everything to the middle by default had no more thought than, "Apple does it." They allowed you to move it back to the right left (which is what I did) because one somewhat sane person on the team said, "Wait, this might piss some people off."