The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[That Guy Who Likes The Chili]

Unlikely I know, but if he is cleared, and walks, and it's determined That Man died because he swallowed his stash, could he sue the estate of That Man (I refuse to say his name, fuck him, he's better dead) for lost earnings and trauma, hypothetically?

I know it's speculative, I'm just curious as to what sort of recourse Chauvin could have if he is cleared, that's all.

I dont think so, in fact if he walks, Ben Crump and his dindu grifters will probably sue Chauvin in civil court for wrongful death or something and win and steal all of his earthly possessions.

If it was a sane world Chauvin could sue the BLM global network or something for endless libel and slander, but so far I don't think anyone has successfully sued any aspect of BLM or even taken them to court because judges keep saying they are a grassroots ideology that doesn't exist.

 

[Jimothy]

Most cops are not sociopaths that want to kill people.

But Chauvin is definitely damaged goods and a terrible person.

I can tell you're fresh off the boat from reddit. Try following the trial instead of MSM headlines before spouting off.
Go to Legal Insurrection if you want to find actual objective coverage of this shitshow.

 

[CEO of Pickles]

Naw that's just what happens when you put women in charge of things other then basic house work and child care

I'm not saying you're wrong, but my interest is that it COINCIDENTLY happened a week before jury deliberation AND in the same state.

 

[ShortBusDriver]

If Chauvin is guilty, we loot black owned businesses
If Chauvin is innocent, we loot Target.

Either way, looting is on the menu boys

 

[DumbDude42]

I dont think so, in fact if he walks, Ben Crump and his dindu grifers will probably sue Chauvin in civil court for wrongful death or something and win and steal all of his earthly possessions.

If it was a sane world Chauvin could sue the BLM global network or something for endless libel and slander, but so far I don't think anyone has successfully sued any aspect of BLM or even taken them to court because judges keep saying they are a grassroots ideology that doesn't exist.

one more reason why getting divirced and "losing" all his posessions to his wife in the process might be the best option chauvin has. he's already unemployed, so once he's bankrupt as well the vultures can bring as many suits against him as they want but they'll never collect a penny either way.

 

[Ari Gold]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but my interest is that it COINCIDENTLY happened a week before jury deliberation AND in the same state.

I am fully on board with the schizoposting. Kim Potter is a confirmed glownigger. She was not simply a retard. She was a sleeper cell activated by the alphabet agencies.

Also Derek Chauvin is Ben Bailey as confirmed by science:

 

[Random Internet Person]

I dont think so, in fact if he walks, Ben Crump and his dindu grifters will probably sue Chauvin in civil court for wrongful death or something and win and steal all of his earthly possessions.

So the OJ Simpson path. But wasn't that what the 27 million did?

 

[DocMorbis]

If Chauvin is guilty, we loot black owned businesses
If Chauvin is innocent, we loot Target.

Either way, looting is on the menu boys

Maybe I should book a plane ticket to Minneapolis and if he is found not guilty I can raid the local stores for free Nikes and designer clothes.

 

[TFT-A9]

So the OJ Simpson path. But wasn't that what the 27 million did?

That's just the blood in the water, and the sharks are always hungry.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Maybe I should book a plane ticket to Minneapolis and if he is found not guilty I can raid the local stores for free Nikes and designer clothes.

If you think Minneapolis has anything worth stealing after all the shit from last year, you're as high as George in his final hours.

 

[TurkishOreo]

Maybe I should book a plane ticket to Minneapolis and if he is found not guilty I can raid the local stores for free Nikes and designer clothes.

Can't just steal from BLM and blame it on Antifa?

 

[NyQuilninja]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but my interest is that it COINCIDENTLY happened a week before jury deliberation AND in the same state.

The timing is suspect sure however the probably is highly likely something such this would happen though. It's not a stretch of the imagination to wonder just how badly the George Floyd incident would been if there was only female officers involved. A man of his size and stature could rag doll a woman easily or two. Let alone how intimidating Floyd would appear to your average size woman. Even the male officers at the scene struggled to subdue him.

 

[AnOminous]

Their charges don't require him to have been the sole cause of death. If 99.99% of the cause of death was other than Chauvin, he's still guilty for contributing that 00.01%.

The actual jury instructions for what "cause" means from all three charges (since both sides requested these):

“To cause” means to be a substantial causal factor in causing the death. The defendant is criminally liable for all the consequences of his actions that occur in the ordinary and natural course of events, including those consequences brought about by one or more intervening causes that were the natural result of the defendant's acts. The fact that other causes contribute to the death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability.

So it has to be at least "substantial."

There isn't a definition of "substantial," though, and there isn't a magic number. I'd guess .01% would be considered negligible.

in reality, the prosecution has to show that chauvin's kneedidit to about a 90% level of certainty, which is pretty much impossible given the circumstances of the case

There isn't a magic number for reasonable doubt, either, and in fact, a jury instruction suggesting such a number would be mistrial material. Cases have been thrown out for doing that.

From the jury instructions on reasonable doubt:

PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

The law requires the State to prove the elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. It does not
require that the elements be proved beyond all possibility of doubt. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt
is the amount of proof that ordinary men and women would act upon in their most important decisions.
You have a reasonable doubt if your doubts are based upon reason and common sense. You do not
have a reasonable doubt if your doubts are based upon speculation or irrelevant details.

 

[Smug Cat]

I'm with you. I care only about truth and justice. I'm not sure what the truth is of what happened that day, and I don't know if that there will be justice. I can only try my best to come to my own conclusions based of the evidence provided to us in this strange televised trial, and hope that the judge and jury can see come to a verdict based on what they've learned, even if I end up disagreeing. The world is a bullshit stupid chaotic place but at the end of the day there is only one truth.

Same. The only reason I'm hoping for a not guilty verdict is that the standard is reasonable doubt. If we were talking what I actually think happened I'm like 70% on Chauvin killed him. I am similarly annoyed that it seems impossible to find an unbiased take on any of this tbh.

 

[AnOminous]

Same. The only reason I'm hoping for a not guilty verdict is that the standard is reasonable doubt. If we were talking what I actually think happened I'm like 70% on Chauvin killed him. I am similarly annoyed that it seems impossible to find an unbiased take on any of this tbh.

Even if he did, if his use of force was justified under the circumstances, he still isn't guilty. I don't think it was, frankly, at least not the last few minutes of it.

 

[cuddle striker]

It's nice to have so many forensic pathologists here. Frankly the only person I'd take seriously is @cuddle striker who probably won't show up.

He was killed by being kneeled on for almost ten minutes.

Anything else is beyond my knowledge; what kind of crime it is, I can't say, as I'm not a lawyer or judge.

I do know that he was not convicted in court and given a death sentence, so it's some kind of crime.

These threads are not why I'm on kf, though.

 

[Not Really Here]

I don't think it was, frankly, at least not the last few minutes of it.

It was grotesque now that we know he died, what if he was alive with some bruising and scrapes suing in civil court for excessive force?
Did anyone see the state prove how Floyd even died?
I was buying the asphyxia as at least plausible before I found out that he had 98% O2 in the ambulance and hospital.

 

[Carbonation Grimace]

Wow what a super great and well informed opinion. I can see why you take him so seriously

 

[AnOminous]

It was grotesque now that we know he died, what if he was alive with some bruising and scrapes suing in civil court for excessive force?

My speculation? He'd have a pretty good case, although unless he were seriously injured, his actual damages might not be that high, but since it would probably be a 1983 suit for violation of Constitutional rights, he could probably find a lawyer to take it on contingency anyway, because his legal fees would be paid if he won. The lawyers would probably get more out of it than he would, though.

Wow what a super great and well informed opinion. I can see why you take him so seriously

I get the impression he isn't terribly interested and doesn't want to look at anything about it.

 

[Mnutu]

In a better world, the lessons to be learned from Floyd would be;
1. Don’t do illegal drugs
2. If you have illegal drugs, don’t attract attention by committing another crime
3. If caught with illegal drugs, do not ingest all of them in a vain attempt to hide them
4. If the police arrive, comply unless you’re prepared to kill and die.
But these are very simple lessons too difficult for the average asshole to comprehend.