The Tomboy Question(s)

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Cool Dog Returns dijo:
ts literal "flavor of the month"
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more like flavor of the past 3 years made by people who don't even know what a tomboy was as a kid.
I have been noticing some pushback on some corners of the internet, calling the tomboy a reddit fetish so maybe we'll start seeing the birth of a new shitty meme gf archetype.
Cool Dog Returns dijo:
do any of these tomboy obsessed kids even watch anime?
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no, they don't. remember when Mio Honda was a meme and people kept calling her a tomboy?
Ver archivo adjunto 1695142492194.webpShe wasn't a tomboy, she was the genki girl archtype, her hobby is literally going out shopping, of course these posers would try to say "well she's the most tomboy out of the idolmasters" when there were actual tomboys in the series who did have actual "tomboyish" hobbies like sports.
And there is also the trope of tomboys in manga/anime getting more in touch with their feminine side and becoming more ladylike as they grow up, but don't let them know aobut that or they'll cry a river.,
 
Oglooger dijo:
Mio Honda
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What about that Oozora "Shuba" Subaru VTuber from Hololive?
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Its a symptom of men growing up somewhat isolated. There is no frame of reference for how girls are, how a good woman is and the idea of interacting with them in a comfortable relatable way, so then they conjure up this idealized image of a beautiful masculine girl who's also enthusiastic, eager and direct in communication.
 
SwanSwanson dijo:
Its a symptom of men growing up somewhat isolated. There is no frame of reference for how girls are, how a good woman is and the idea of interacting with them in a comfortable relatable way, so then they conjure up this idealized image of a beautiful masculine girl who's also enthusiastic, eager and direct in communication.
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Or you know, actually knew a few before all this stupid gender nonsense happened...
 
SwanSwanson dijo:
Its a symptom of men growing up somewhat isolated. There is no frame of reference for how girls are, how a good woman is and the idea of interacting with them in a comfortable relatable way, so then they conjure up this idealized image of a beautiful masculine girl who's also enthusiastic, eager and direct in communication.
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I can assure you that I've been around a lot of girls growing up and the only ones that I actively hung out with instead of just passively known and ignored were the girls with actual interests other than themselves and gay gossiping type drama, like sports, video games, science, music, etc and had good personalities and were very feminine yet direct in communication, eager and enthusiastic about their hobbies. Basically, what I'd consider tomboys or a better phrase for them would be "women that are actually as interesting as they are attractive (if not more for the more unfortunate looking ones)".

It's not really the fashion or makeup they wear that makes them attractive to me (although that helps) or really defines them so much as it is an interior disposition towards not being a fucking drone. I'm not a stickler for her liking exactly what I like, but there has to be some sense of passion for life and chemistry between me (along with generally shared values) that would make me find her attractive instead of just another attractive yet boring woman. I think the focus on what a girl is wearing or doing is kinda excessive with a lot of tomboy lovers, but I can understand where they are coming from: most women today are either outright whores or personality-less tradwife wannabes. I want a woman who is just a normal person with interested and goals in life that I can start a life with, not a fashion statement or a literal prostitute.

TL;DR: Dudes that like tomboys just want a woman that they can settle down with, start a family, spend the rest of their lives with and actually be their best friend instead of just a retarded zoomer aesthetic or a literal breeding hole. It's that simple. It's perfectly natural to want that in your life.
 
I don't know why you disabled replying, but the tomboy meme doesn't even seem to embody that what you're saying, it just seems to just be this odd obsession with muscular women.

This meme just seems to be blackpilling because the majority of men out there won't really find a woman who are actually interested in the world or acting upon the world. A months ago I got a got a girlfriend but didn't feel too attached to her because of how boring she was. Is this all there is to having a wife? A boring woman? It seems rather torturous thinking about what you could have when you probably won't get it.
 
SwanSwanson dijo:
Its a symptom of men growing up somewhat isolated. There is no frame of reference for how girls are, how a good woman is and the idea of interacting with them in a comfortable relatable way, so then they conjure up this idealized image of a beautiful masculine girl who's also enthusiastic, eager and direct in communication.
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Motherfucker, are you saying, I, a Zoom Zoom, have never gone on a date? My guy... I have no words.
SwanSwanson dijo:
I don't know why you disabled replying, but the tomboy meme doesn't even seem to embody that what you're saying, it just seems to just be this odd obsession with muscular women.

This meme just seems to be blackpilling because the majority of men out there won't really find a woman who are actually interested in the world or acting upon the world. A months ago I got a got a girlfriend but didn't feel too attached to her because of how boring she was. Is this all there is to having a wife? A boring woman? It seems rather torturous thinking about what you could have when you probably won't get it.
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You gotta highlight the portion of the text you want to reply to and quote it.

Anyway, it's a ideal man. Personally I'd just be happy to have a woman in general. But one I can fix cars with, kick my ass, that's hot.

And my gosh man, pay attention to your GF. You got incredibly lucky. Don't let that slip away
 
SwanSwanson dijo:
Unfortunately I had already let it slip away.
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Don't knock yourself for it. She was getting in the way of something you really wanted. It's a bit of a meme thanks to picky women but you really do need a spark of something to have a good romantic relationship, even if it's mild.
 
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Tomboy love is a genuine male attraction, not a pathway into traps and troonhood as some claim it is.
The meme boils down to having a much more accessible girlfriend compared to the traditional bitchy and fashion obsessed gf. That's a big advantage in favor of the tomboy. No excessive shopping, no bitching about any of the shit women normally whine about.
Secondly, the mutual enjoyment of hobbies together is a tremendous advantage in favor of the tomboy. Most guys have that one best friend they'd do fun shit with when they were younger, such as sports, vidya, messing with people.... well, the tomboy is both gf and best friend in one fit package. And the mutual motivation to outdo each other out of love is practically perfect if you're somewhat competitive in life.

If you got a tomboy gf, she's a keeper. Keep her safe from the pooner menace.
 
for me at least tomboys are attractive because they tend to be more comfortable being themselves. which is something i find admirable especially in todays day and age of anyone doing anything remotely outside of gender stereotypes is branded a troon or gay or whatever. i also think in a way actual tomboys are rare as many of the ones you see online are just pick me girls trying to look unique.
 
I think there are some economic factors that play into it.

In agrarian peasant cultures, men favor sturdy, strong-willed women because they can work the fields and birth strong children. In aristocratic cultures, men favor a woman with rarefied feminine mannerisms who wears elaborate impractical clothing, because it shows that she's wealthy enough that she doesn't have to work and spends all her time learning elite social rituals. Also, a chalk-white woman who's never seen sunlight and spent her life cooped up in a palace with a governess offers her betrothed husband the assurance that she's never known the touch of a man before him so he can be certain that his children by her are his own.

In the modern era, these elite signifiers trickled down to women in lower social classes, who wanted to follow the pattern of the fairy tale princess. Trends in attraction followed trends in the economy. During the Depression and WWII there was a notable attraction to more toned and plump women in the US. In the 60s, when the economy was skyrocketing, super-skinny models like Twiggy were en vogue. Then in the 70s they got less skinny, and during the booming 90s heroin chic was in.

Now that the economy is imploding it seems like more pragmatic beauty standards are on the rise again. For most people raising children in the 2020s will require a lot of work and sacrifice from both parents, and a Kardashian princess isn't the best partner for that.
 
Geddy Lee's Fee and See dijo:
Don't know why you picked an anime girl but yes. Tomboy isn't an aesthetic. It's more indicative of an attitude or a way of being. At least to me. I can't know what zoomers think because they are fucking retarded.
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I mean I already mentioned Tomo-chan upthread lol
But yeah this anime's premise is even more autistic than Tomo-chan's, like, watch the trailer and it absolutely reeks of autistic drip
@Vaclav didn't the tomboy thing peak in the 90s?
 
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Spob dijo:
I mean I already mentioned Tomo-chan upthread lol
But yeah this anime's premise is even more autistic than Tomo-chan's, like, watch the trailer and it absolutely reeks of autistic drip
@Vaclav didn't the tomboy thing peak in the 90s?
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This is like months later, but I grew up during the 2000s to early 2010s and I saw plenty of tomboys (and harbored crushes for a good deal of them). In my estimation, it peaked around the from the mid 90s to mid 2000s, with Avril Laviene, Gwen Stefani, D'Arcy Wretzky, Shiina Ringo and pretty much every female in an alternative band being some flavor of tomboy (the vast majority of which were just regular girls that had some male-oriented hobbies, but I remember the leader of 4 Non-Blondes was an actual lesbian and kinda looked like a man, so there's that).

Tomboys still existed after that (I think that was part of the whole gamer girl push) but social media and shitty pop acts like Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift pretty much decimated them towards the late 2000s. Maybe it's because I'm older, but I don't find as many of those Gen X/millenial tomboy type bands or just cultural artifacts anymore. Everything seems clearly geared for the more girly girl types.
 
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