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haha yeah if only the US could replicate the US achievements of the 60s too

Anyway China got to the moon first a couple hundred years ago, and then their princess turned into a rabbit or something, which I'm pretty sure is technology NASA still doesn't have. Burger envy is an ugly thing.
 
The Chinese are rapidly replicating the achievements that the US and Soviets reached in the 60s and 70s, and it's only taken them 50 years! It's so Joever...
We'll see how much of a space power they are while their economy struggles for the next 20 years. Lots of weird economic issues boiling over for them right now because of the young not working and the old not being replaced as a result of all their weird policies the past 50 years.

Come the fuck on now with these weird, cranky boomer copes about China collapsing soon. They caught up. They are churning out rockets and satellites now, responsible for about 30% of the global launches and growing. They also have their space station, their manned lunar program and everything else well on track. After how they have put entire industries like shipbuilding, batteries, EV manufacturing, photovoltaics, etc. neatly in their back pocket, there is little doubt that they could replicate it with space industry if they wanted. They have the numbers, they have the technology, they have the infrastructure, they have the money, they have the intent and they have the vision. They are not going to be a very credible competitor, they already are. It remains to be seen if the commercial space sector will be able to compete with it. Musk certainly thinks so and he is willing to throw money at it, so there will be a race. Wishful think about China just collapsing is simply inane, boomers wanting to compete with the idea of the 70s communist China living in their head, not the 2026 technocratic China that exists.

Money should be pouring into NASA and space startups by the billions instead of further budget cuts. The Lunar Gateway station getting cut after all the engineering and planning work was practically done was criminal alone. China did not cancel their plans for a lunar space station, but see it as a critical long-term infrastructural project. As it is now, the Artemis program is rushing to be the first to put a nigger on the moon, while China is seeking to build up a permanent lunar presence and dockyard for their eventual deep space missions.
 
In the 30 months until the latest date Artemis IV can touch the Moon on schedule we should be seeing at least one unmanned CLIPS lunar landing, the manned Artemis III test flight and at least one unmanned HLS lunar landing and return to orbit. I don't think they're going to make it.

Is SpaceX is still on the hook for supplying the lander for Artemis IV or has everything changed to TBD at that point?
 
It is really telling that they have a space station, completely to themselves and the entire rest of the world shares one.
They are still in the late Salyut/early Mir stage, if you want to make comparisons. It's impressive, but it took the US from from May 5 1961 to July 20 1969 to go from first crewed space launch to first crewed lunar landing, or 8 years 2 months 15 days.

On the other hand, China went from a first crewed launch on October 15 2003 to as late as 31 December 2030 for the projected crewed lunar landing date, or 23 years 2 months 16 days, or almost 3 times as long, and that will likely be delayed.

It's like saying banning exporting the M1A1 Abrams to China just lead to them building their own domestic tank industry. I'm not putting any bets on the likelihood of a bootleg, late-to-the-game Russian space program outpacing or outshining the US.
 
if you want to make comparisons. It's impressive, but it took the US from from May 5 1961 to July 20 1969 to go from first crewed space launch to first crewed lunar landing, or 8 years 2 months 15 days.
You forget that was the height of the Cold War, the sputnik scare, the missile gap scare and moneybags had no bottoms when it came to defense spending. Apollo alone ate up like 0.5% of the total US GDP. And that's not counting the rest of NASA, the other programs, the military spending on rockets, the basic research going on, the infrastructure costs, etc. Also, another fact that doesn't get mentioned in polite circles that those were all white men, all skilled, dedicated career engineers and scientists, not the DEI scum and visa jeets infesting all levels as it is today. It was American society at its technological, cultural, industrial and economic might that had the money and the human capital to throw around. Contemporary US... doesn't.
China went from a first crewed launch on October 15 2003 to as late as 31 December 2030 for the projected crewed lunar landing date, or 23 years 2 months 16 days, or almost 3 times as long, and that will likely be delayed.
It would make them even more serious as a way. as its now its clearly obvious that they aren't running a quick minimum viable product for a publicity stunt but they are running a marathon. They are in for the long run, patiently developing skills and experience, climbing every rung of the ladder, building up their lunar satellite network, doing sample returns, etc. and see it as a strategic goal in itself. Artemis putting a nigger, a female and a canadian on the moon first is not going to scare them off the race.
It's like saying banning exporting the M1A1 Abrams to China just lead to them building their own domestic tank industry. I'm not putting any bets on the likelihood of a bootleg, late-to-the-game Russian space program outpacing or outshining the US.
We have seen this line of argument happen in so many industries already. I remember the time when China had no shipbuilding and now they have over 50% of the shipbuilding capacity of the world. I remember when the concept of a Chinese car made me laff, like, who on fucking EARTH would buy something named from "Dongfeng motors", then now Chinese EVs are cornering the market. This must have been like how boomers felt about Japanese cars. Same happened with phones already, Huawei, Xiaomi and the rest got there, they caught up. Took less than two decades to reach the Chinese era from Ericssons and Nokias and Motorolas. Thinking that this isn't going to happen to more and more industrial sectors is just corrosively copium-influenced thinking. Space is one of the few sectors where competing is still possible(mostly thanks to Musk being autistic) so as much effort and support should be going into it as possible, There is a race going on and banking on your opponent with a good track record suddenly stumbling is not a good strategy.
There's a fuckton of minerals on the moon and the asteroid belt so whoever gets to them first effectively wins the 21st century
Not just that, but the one who gets the first self-sufficient moonbase running will get an INSANE lead in exploring and colonizing the outer solar system. If they are able to repair and refuel ships in lunar orbit from fuels made from lunar soil it cuts launch costs to a fraction. It means that the planet-hopping can begin as their freighters become cheap enough to send to Mars by the dozens, making a martian colony much easier and cheaper to maintain and much more viable. If they are first to well establish themselves on the Mars, they will be in position to expand into the asteroid belt and Jovian moons behind it. Once they have the cargo system in base to mine and produce spaceships in space, then they basically won the space race, as they could fill out the entire solar system in a few decades and keep them supplied. Initial advantages just keep compounding on themselves. Not to mention the difficult to quantify but enormous value of being the first to put flags on things, once the real dividing up of space begins.
 
Also, another fact that doesn't get mentioned in polite circles that those were all white men, all skilled, dedicated career engineers and scientists, not the DEI scum and visa jeets infesting all levels as it is today. It was American society at its technological, cultural, industrial and economic might that had the money and the human capital to throw around. Contemporary US... doesn't.

They are in for the long run, patiently developing skills and experience, climbing every rung of the ladder, building up their lunar satellite network, doing sample returns, etc. and see it as a strategic goal in itself. Artemis putting a nigger, a female and a canadian on the moon first is not going to scare them off the race.
Economic/demographic issues aside, this is why the Chinese will eventually win unless something changes. While the US is worried about "correcting history, righting wrongs, increasing equity, and white guilt reparations" the Chinese are selecting the best and brightest and giving them a completely technical task with no DEI bullshit holding them back and nearly unlimited resources. A Chinese engineer is slaving away building space technology while NASA engineers are having another workshop about "Making sure the trannies don't get hurt feefees."
 
Y'all need to be a little more skeptical of Chinese propaganda and stop slobbering Xi's knob.

People need to be realistic and see China as the threat they are in the new space race and act accordingly. The US should cut 1/3 of their military budget and shift that shit into NASA and related space businesses on the grounds they hire qualified (yes especially white men!) engineers and scientists and get shit back in gear before the future is stolen out from under them in complacency.

No one is saying China is superior and sewing propaganda, they're trying to sew a wake up call. China IS a threat and may become superior if shit stays on it's current trajectory.
 
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