The Second Amendment is a ludicrous historical antique: Time for it to go

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Those of us who are not gun fetishists are supposed to "keep our powder dry" on the subject, but it must be said: The Second Amendment is as antique as a muzzle-loaded long gun, and should be treated as a historical artifact.


We're not supposed to even whisper such things because the NRA and right-wing extremists have sensible Americans — including many gun owners — so bullied and cowed that we feel we are only allowed to hope for sensible gun-safety legislation around the edges of their highly profitable assault on American lives.

We've said it before, but it is always worth repeating for the millions of younger people coming to voting age each year who may not have considered it before: It doesn't take a grammarian or a constitutional scholar to tell you that the opening clause of the Second Amendment is obviously conditional:


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Meaning, so long as a militia of citizens is necessary (and a well-regulated one, at that), then what follows is true. But only if that first part pertains.

It no longer pertains and hasn't since the modern National Guard was formally established in 1916. We've got the Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Air Force and even that Space Force thing, as well as the National Guard, with members who swear an oath to both their state and their federal governments. (I note that dual allegiance for all the anti-federalists still lurking out there, seething about some "tyranny" of the federal government, while at the state and local levels you busy yourself with taking away voting rights, reproductive rights, public schools and public libraries.)

The six branches of the armed forces, including the National Guard. No other militia need apply. It's covered.

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If you want to help protect the interests of your state and your nation, assist citizens during emergencies, understand tactical maneuvers and carry a gun (and learn how to operate it), you can sign up here or here. Join the Coast Guard. Or you can become a police officer. It turns out we need better ones. Your service will be deeply appreciated, if only by lip service from the right-wingers who drone on and on about how much they love the military and the cops.

So, the need for a well-regulated militia, crucial to the early history of the country, is no longer in play. We need to rewrite the amendment, dispensing with the oddball capitalization and punctuation, to fit the times:


The right of the people to serve in the armed services or the National Guard, or to serve as law enforcement officers if duly qualified, shall not be infringed.
I dropped the prefatory clause, since everyone ignores it anyway. And that word "militia" has gotten especially confusing of late. Now the thing is up to date.
But don't take my word for it. After the Parkland, Florida, school shootings of 2018, former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote an op-ed in the New York Times describing the Second Amendment as "a relic of the 18th century" and arguing it should be repealed. Former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger, a conservative appointed by Richard Nixon, said in 1991 that the NRA's reading of the Second Amendment was "a fraud" and said that if he were writing the Bill of Rights today he'd flat-out dump it.

We've got the Army, the Navy, the Marines, the Coast Guard, the Air Force and even that Space Force thing, as well as the National Guard. We're covered. No other "militia" need apply.
The current batch of right-wing Supreme Court justices sponsored by the Federalist Society have further discredited the high court by pretending they can peer into the hearts and minds of the founders as a way to keep the country hobbled on this issue. It's always worth noting (especially, again, for younger voters) that the Heller decision, in which Justice Antonin Scalia simply divorced the "keep and bear arms" part of Second Amendment from any connection to militia membership, was in 2008, not way back at the founding of the republic.

We don't live in colonial times, people. We live in these-here times — days of conspiracy theories, white nationalism and so-called government leaders who do all they can to prove government cannot work, who praise despots and work with them to undermine democracy, who call journalists "the enemy of the people" and dehumanize their political opponents.

OK, none of that is entirely new to American history, but today we live in a country where there are more guns than people, where there are more mass shootings than days on the calendar, where Fox News has gun-clutching people living in a constant state of paranoia and fear, where young people are increasingly paying with their lives.

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If we could somehow summon up Franklin or Madison or Hamilton to speak to us on the gun issue, I imagine they'd have a lot to say. One suspects the founders would take a look at modern handguns and assault weapons, learn how they operate and tell us a bit more about the intent of the Second Amendment. They would say, I think, that the citizens' right to safety and the pursuit of happiness far outweighs any imagined individual right to own a weapon of war or carry any kind of gun in public.

Those who claim to be both "pro-life" and "pro-gun" should be aware that the rest of us consider those terms absurdly paired — and we see through the marketing fluff of "pro-life" used in place of "anti-abortion," as well as the "pro-life" willingness to let women die in childbirth an abandon kids to lives of poverty. But in this country, where politicians of a certain stripe are busy teaching us that up is down and facts aren't facts, and where the NRA owns many of those politicians, we see people being gunned down every day in every venue one can imagine — shopping centers, grocery stores, movie theaters, concerts, hospitals, churches, schools.

The vast majority of citizens want sensible gun regulations now. Parents and younger Americans of all political stripes are frustrated and deeply unhappy with gun culture, with all its simmering fear and dread about the next news bulletin and days of fruitless discussion of the shooter and his motive, and the hopelessness created by talk of the "slippery slope" if we take any action to stop the carnage.

This is what political operatives on the right have done so well for decades: They work the refs and move the goalposts until any objections to their aims are no longer recognized as legitimate. That "well regulated Militia being necessary" becomes (courtesy of the NRA and Scalia) no militia need apply becomes a tradition with deep roots in our culture becomes a God-given right.

It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic, and if guns weren't now the leading cause of death of younger Americans.

Young people recoil at the Second Amendment argument even more than they cringe at that out-of-fashion furniture their parents have piled up in the basement and are now offering them. Thanks, but no thanks.

We parents would like our children (and grandchildren) to be safe when they are at the movies, in a mall, in church, at school. All of us would like to feel safe in public spaces. We don't need to hear a single damn thing from a criminal organization like the NRA or from politicians in the pockets of that criminal organization.

The Second Amendment is an antique curiosity — laughably outmoded for our times. It's time for it to go.

We must say it precisely because we have been so bullied for so long into believing that we must not or cannot say it. One day, if we can keep our democracy intact against the frantic efforts of the self-proclaimed American "patriots," younger Americans will band together to do what they did with laws against marijuana and will do in short order with restrictions on reproductive rights: They'll put the Second Amendment right where it belongs, in the dustbin of history, already piled way too high with spent shells and needless deaths.
 
The thing that always gets me is that the Framers wrote the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and all other legal documents in such a basic, simple, and clear language that literally anyone who spoke English could understand it. From the lowliest illiterate commoner (if it was read to them) all the way up to those occupying the highest stations in the land. And yet even modern "Constitutional Scholars" and politicians seem to be utterly baffled by the language used. Either that, or they understand it, but are liars being disingenuous about their understanding to push their agendas. All one has to do is read the writings of the Framers such as their memoirs and diaries where they clearly spell out their intentions and why they chose to specifically enshrine these rights in legal documents.
 
Okay. There's a well defined legal process for changing the Constitution. Let's push the button and see what happens.

Do it, faggot.
Realistically, what do you think is gonna happen if the constitution opens up for review tommorow?
 
And people wonder why skull fucking will never go out of style, because of thick skilled retards like this one.
 
Living is such a ridiculously archaic historical footnote, so Mr. Journo you should stop doing it. Take the progressive way out. Canada understands.

Lmfao it's an article from Salon too, just being hosted on MSN.
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Even the MSN comments mostly stand against Kirk's autism.
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Surprised they even still exist on Microsoft's news site. So many other places have completely canned the comments.
 
Living is such a ridiculously archaic historical footnote, so Mr. Journo you should stop doing it. Take the progressive way out. Canada understands.

Lmfao it's an article from Salon too, just being hosted on MSN.
Surprised they even still exist on Microsoft's news site. So many other places have completely canned the comments.

I was thinking, MSN needs to watch out or they're gonna end up like Buzzfeed news if they keep posting this shit.
 
I was thinking, MSN needs to watch out or they're gonna end up like Buzzfeed news if they keep posting this shit.
They're less volitile because MS will keep their baby bankrolled as a propaganda outlet for as long as it's useful to them. When you still have retards like A H in that comment screenshot still falling for this shit every time that means they still have an audience.
 
Come and get em from my cold, dead hands.

Okay. There's a well defined legal process for changing the Constitution. Let's push the button and see what happens.

Do it, faggot.
They're too chicken shit to do so. They'd rather have the private sector do their dirty work.
 
Realistically, what do you think is gonna happen if the constitution opens up for review tommorow?
Nothing. Because a Constitutional amendment requires 2/3 majority in both houses and ratification by 38 states.

In our current political climate we couldn't even get an Amendment passed stating that the sky is blue.
 
Nothing. Because a Constitutional amendment requires 2/3 majority in both houses and ratification by 38 states.

In our current political climate we couldn't even get an Amendment passed stating that the sky is blue.
Or that men are men, women are women, children aren’t sex toys of the state, theft is a crime, and Biden shouldn’t be left alone with a Girl Scout troop. If they had their way the new constitution would be written in crayon on the back of a Starbucks menu.
 
I saw something, just going to say. Had the Bruen decision actually done anything? I don't think it has. Not against AWBs or CCW laws. When it's a 'win' on the 2a side, it's still a meaningless loss.

The only ever recovery of gun rights ever has been the 2004 AWB sunset.
 
If they ever tried to amend the Constitution/Bill of Rights to remove or change any of the Amendments that address personal liberties, such as 1A or 2A, it would absolutely start a civil war. There are just way too many people who would fight any effort to blatantly strip their rights like that. This country is barely keeping together as it is.
 
If they ever tried to amend the Constitution/Bill of Rights to remove or change any of the Amendments that address personal liberties, such as 1A or 2A, it would absolutely start a civil war. There are just way too many people who would fight any effort to blatantly strip their rights like that. This country is barely keeping together as it is.
Say you'll tax Elon's money or give free student loans, they won't care at any constitutional losses lol. That idea is completely absurd now.
 
If they ever tried to amend the Constitution/Bill of Rights to remove or change any of the Amendments that address personal liberties, such as 1A or 2A, it would absolutely start a civil war.
In 2019 I'd have said "if they shut down all businesses across the country, force people to stay in their homes under penalty of law, and let feral nogs riot for months with impunity, it would absolutely start a civil war" and nothing happened.
 
We're not supposed to even whisper such things because the NRA and right-wing extremists have sensible Americans — including many gun owners — so bullied and cowed that we feel we are only allowed to hope for sensible gun-safety legislation around the edges of their highly profitable assault on American lives.
The gun grabbers are screaming that every peace-loving and law-abiding gunowner has the blood of 10 million mass shot children on their hands, but we're the bullies.

Okay then.
Meaning, so long as a militia of citizens
Every adult male citizen is 'the militia' to which the Second Amendment refers.
So long as The State remains free. So all you have to do is make the State unfree and you can abolish the militia.
(and a well-regulated one, at that),
As in 'made regular' as in activated in an efficient and orderly manner.
then what follows is true. But only if that first part pertains.
Wrong. The People in the Second Amendment are no different than The People in the First, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments.
Former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger, a conservative appointed by Richard Nixon
>Warren Burger
>Conservative
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
It no longer pertains and hasn't since the modern National Guard was formally established in 1916. We've got the Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Air Force and even that Space Force thing, as well as the National Guard, with members who swear an oath to both their state and their federal governments.
The militia is not, and has never been, the military.
We've got the Army, the Navy, the Marines, the Coast Guard, the Air Force and even that Space Force thing, as well as the National Guard. We're covered. No other "militia" need apply.
How generous of you to allow only the government and its paid agents to be armed.
We don't live in colonial times, people. We live in these-here times — days of conspiracy theories, white nationalism and so-called government leaders who do all they can to prove government cannot work
*Laughs in Shays Rebellion*
*Chortles in the Whiskey Rebellion*
*Guffaws in Fries' Rebellion*

You have to be the most limp-wristed of limp-wristed urbanite faggots to compare the age of online shitposting to the Early Republic when pissed off veterans and farmers were willing to go at it with the government over paying too much tax.
 
Wrong on so many levels. The clause "being necessary to the security of a free state" itself means that an armed citizenry able to form a militia when needed IS ALWAYS NECESSARY regardless of what happens, not that a civilian militia becomes unnecessary when certain criteria are met, like a standing military being formed. Also "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" itself is it's own clause separate from the militia being necessary. Clown.
When they hear "being necessary to the security of a free state" they think of only " civil war is bad arrest anyone that says that phrase because they're going to do civil war and incite an erection at the Capitol" and not "hey what if a bunch of foreign niggers decide to invade us like those pesky Canadians again"(right wingers think like that too we got it so comfy the thought of an invasion on America is so preposterous they ignore the hundreds of thousands of niggas walking in from Mexico because when people hear invasion they think Bonsai charge with suicide bombers bum rushing random niggas on the street)

When they hear "militia and regulated" they think cucked and muzzled under the direct command of the government because they're communists and take "of the people, by the people, for the people" at face value then they always use that Lincoln quote and then tie it into Marxism whenever talking about the well regulated militia bit of the 2A ignoring what the word "regulated" even means in the first place because their lived experience of regulation is again, a government cucking and muzzling something not a bunch of random yokels setting up basic standards & discipline for something like a workshop that has an ass load of lathes spinning around all day. "Oh my Gawl don't tell me what to do with my hair you just want to have do violent rape to my vagina with your constant controlling of my body (YOINK)." Like all words they use wrong they're going to one day change the definition of regulate into the the insanity that goes in their mind as another way to erase the past, probably destroy the national archives to get rid of all context behind the reasoning for the elementary level English used.

When they hear "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" they ignore that and try changing the topic of the conversation to them call you literally Hitler for not agreeing with whatever retarded ass shit they said to deflect from the last bit of the 2A.
 
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Ah yes. That clearly worked out in Bongistan where kitchen knives are now target to confiscation as well as the rich cacophany of the government raw-dogging its own citizens out of their rights. And what delightful pleasure do the Brits have to look forward to? Can't burn logs. Can't use central heating.

Then there's Australia. Where the government gets to run roughshod on the backs of its people with tyrannical measures which includes a literal concentration camp.

But for something much closer, come to California. Where owning a gun is insanely difficult and you'll get prosecuted 5 ways till Sunday for using it to defend yourself. In fact, if you hate the 2nd Amendment so much, live there. Just don't mind the Criminals raw-dogging you as they clearly don't care about getting in trouble for owning a gun,

And finally, all those Communist revolutions where the first thing to go are the rights to own firearms. It ends with lots of people dying to the hands of Communists. Vietnam and Cambodia come to mind.

It's almost like citizens owning guns is the only thing that keeps governments from going full tyrant and enacting something horrible!

In short: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
 
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