Opinion The political calculus on the gun issue has changed

Indeed. This should help keep Clueless Joe from seriously damaging our already-infringed Second Amendment rights.

The political calculus on the gun issue has changed​

Bill Schneider, opinion contributor 3 hrs ago

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President Biden will find it difficult - if not impossible - to get bipartisan support in Congress for new gun control measures, like a new assault weapons ban, which passed with bipartisan support in 1994 and expired ten years later.

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Most gun control measures get broad public support, including requiring background checks for private and gun show sales (83 percent in a 2019 poll), a ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines (61 percent) and a ban on the sale of semi-automatic weapons (57 percent). But what matters politically is intensity of support. Getting gun laws through Congress has always been difficult because of single-issue voting by gun rights supporters.

The gun issue drives their votes; for most other voters, it doesn't.

Let's say you take a poll and show a politician that his constituents divide 75 to 25 percent in favor of gun control. The politician knows what will happen if he votes for a gun control law. Maybe 10 percent of the 75 percent majority care enough about the issue to vote for him for that reason alone - but he may lose 20 out of the 25 percent on the other side. Gun owners may be a minority, but many see gun control as a threat to their Second Amendment rights. It drives their votes. They make sure politicians know it.

Single-issue voting helps explain why intensely committed minorities can hold sway over casually committed majorities. "Why are gun owners so politically powerful?" an abortion rights activist once told me in an interview: "There are more uterus owners than gun owners. And when uterus owners begin to vote their issue, we will win."

Single-issue politics is a sort of blackmail: "We don't care what your position is on anything else. If you are with us on our issue, we'll support you. If you are against us, we'll come after you."

None of that has changed. But the political calculus has.

Why? Because of political segregation.

Red America and blue America have been moving apart. Democrats and Republicans increasingly live in separate constituencies, if not separate political worlds. In the Republican world, gun rights are still sacrosanct, and many voters remain watchful for any threats. In the Democratic world - far more urban and suburban - single-issue voting to protect gun rights is a much less serious threat.

In a Democratic debate during the last presidential campaign, Beto O'Rourke thrilled liberals and horrified conservatives when he was asked, after a mass shooting in his home town of El Paso Texas, if he would mandate that people give up their assault weapons. "Hell yes!" the former Democratic Congressman responded, drawing cheers from the Democratic audience. "We're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47. We're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans any more."

When the assault weapons ban was voted on by the House of Representatives in 1994, 46 Republicans voted for it, and 64 Democrats opposed it. It would not have passed without Republican support. Nothing like that could happen now.

Donald Trump has radicalized the Republican Party. Even though Trump lost his bid for re-election last year, the anticipated "blue wave" for Democrats never materialized. Any Republican in Congress who supports new gun laws is likely to face a conservative primary challenger funded by Trump.(OUTSTANDING! - JS)

Many conservative Democrats who represented southern and rural constituencies were wiped out in the 1994 midterm election when, after 40 years, Democrats lost their majority in the House of Representatives. That was widely interpreted as the gun rights activists' revenge for passage of the assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill mandating criminal background checks for gun purchasers. Congressional Democrats have been skittish about new gun laws ever since.

That, too, may be changing.

Democratic voters are more uniformly liberal just as Republican voters are more uniformly conservative. Moderates and centrists are diminishing in importance in both parties. Bipartisanship looks more and more like an old-fashioned idea.

Today, new gun laws are likely to be passed only by a straight partisan vote - just like President Biden's $1.9 trillion economic rescue plan, Obamacare in 2010, and President Trump's tax cuts in 2017.

The problem is: Straight partisan victories will be nearly impossible in the Senate as long as the filibuster is in force for non-taxing-and-spending legislation - like new gun laws.

The filibuster is supposed to encourage bipartisanship - but given the new hyper-partisan reality, what it really encourages is gridlock.(OUTSTANDING! Helps keep the Dems from fucking with us. - JS)


 
I recall a "poll" that showed 90% support for Obama's federal background check. But in the fine details it was stated that the poll was only conducted in NYC, NJ and MA.

Skimming through the article, this just seems to be another "people are voting wrong, we need to overstep democracy" article. Gun control requires republicans who will vote for it, with the idea being with each decade, gun rights will be slowly eroded away as "compromise" eats away at gun rights without giving anything in return.
 
If you’re talking to someone progressive*, something I like to bring up is how armed societies are more egalitarian and less centralized than societies with weapon restrictions. It’s not a coincidence.

*actually progressive. A lot of statists understand this which is why they oppose gun rights.
 
If you’re talking to someone progressive*, something I like to bring up is how armed societies are more egalitarian and less centralized than societies with weapon restrictions. It’s not a coincidence.

*actually progressive. A lot of statists understand this which is why they oppose gun rights.
It's always amusing when grabbers say "you'd be pro-gun control if minorities were arming themselves!"

That may have been true 50 years ago, but not anymore. The response to "the marginalized" arming themselves is always some form of "good on them". The 2A crowd is mostly lolberts who understand hamstringing other people's rights can also affect them. I see blacks and Asians at my local range all the time.

It's just more proof that liberals don't listen to anyone but their approved propagandists.
 
It's always amusing when grabbers say "you'd be pro-gun control if minorities were arming themselves!"
It’s always funny when they say that. It’s said with the expectation that the person they’re talking to is shaking in their boots about minorities, which can be true of some posters here but I don’t give a damn. Tbh I dislike white faux-progressives the most followed closely by the Westboro Baptists (who have no power lol) but I’m indifferent to minorities on the left or right.
That may have been true 50 years ago, but not anymore. The response to "the marginalized" arming themselves is always some form of "good on them". The 2A crowd is mostly lolberts who understand hamstringing other people's rights can also affect them. I see blacks and Asians at my local range all the time.

It's just more proof that liberals don't listen to anyone but their approved propagandists.
A funny play would be a push to educate middle class minorities on weapons. There’s a sizable number of them, especially if they worked their asses out of poverty, that are very open to learning about self-defense and in many ways are based. It’d also be funny to watch the boot lickers melt down about more people arming themselves.
 
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A funny play would be a push to educate middle class minorities. There’s a sizable number of them, especially if they worked their asses out of poverty, that are very open to learning about self-defense. It’d also be funny to watch the boot lockers melt down.
Another amusing argument they use to not own a gun is "you are more likely to shoot yourself than use a gun in self-defense".

No shit, Sherlock. You're also statistically more likely to die in a car accident if you own and drive a car. Does that mean you shouldn't own a car?

They're also the same people who will say "you need more training to own and use a gun". Bitch, we know how to safely and legally use guns better than you and Bloomberg's Band of Trollop Karens ever will.

It all comes down to projection; they resent the idea that you are capable of using deadly force to defend yourself, because it reminds them of how gutless and incompetent they are.
 
A big missing piece in the discussion is the trust people have in law enforcement.

Rural people have guns because the cops might take an hour to get there.

Inner city people have guns because the cops might take an hour to get there.

Now it's people in the suburbs realizing that if there are nationwide riots and Trashone* and Debris* come through your window and put a knife to your daughter's neck, the cops might take an hour to get there.

*actual names that exist in the wild
 
Another amusing argument they use to not own a gun is "you are more likely to shoot yourself than use a gun in self-defense".

No shit, Sherlock. You're also statistically more likely to die in a car accident if you own and drive a car. Does that mean you shouldn't own a car?

They're also the same people who will say "you need more training to own and use a gun". Bitch, we know how to safely and legally use guns better than you and Bloomberg's Band of Trollop Karens ever will.

It all comes down to projection; they resent the idea that you are capable of using deadly force to defend yourself, because it reminds them of how gutless and incompetent they are.

I always laugh when antis bring up the "training" thing. I grew up with firearms and I've known a lot of law enforcement officers in my life since my old man worked both State and Federal law enforcement. Most gun owners can shoot better and are safer with firearms than most law enforcement officers whose first experience with firearms is when they went through the academy. Most LE agencies only require their officers to qualify with their sidearm once every year. Some it's once every six months. What most agencies DON'T require is continued training with their firearms, or even regular practice. They'll supply their officers with additional ammo each year for the officer to practice on their own time, but there's no requirement for them to actually practice. There was a study done a few years ago regarding collateral damage and uninvolved persons being hit during shootings, comparing law enforcement officers vs. civilians who carry concealed. I don't remember the exact figures, but law enforcement were far more likely to damage property or hit a bystander when shooting an assailant than civilians who carry. Whenever I've informed someone who started up with the "gun owners need training" bullshit they either went into complete denial (until I showed them the studies) or they acted like I just shattered their whole world and understanding of reality. Most gun owners are serious and passionate about owning firearms and want to be as educated and skilled as possible.
 
A big missing piece in the discussion is the trust people have in law enforcement.

Rural people have guns because the cops might take an hour to get there.

Inner city people have guns because the cops might take an hour to get there.

Now it's people in the suburbs realizing that if there are nationwide riots and Trashone* and Debris* come through your window and put a knife to your daughter's neck, the cops might take an hour to get there.

*actual names that exist in the wild
How about the cops won't show because the Mayor ordered a stand down.
 
I always laugh when antis bring up the "training" thing. I grew up with firearms and I've known a lot of law enforcement officers in my life since my old man worked both State and Federal law enforcement. Most gun owners can shoot better and are safer with firearms than most law enforcement officers whose first experience with firearms is when they went through the academy. Most LE agencies only require their officers to qualify with their sidearm once every year. Some it's once every six months. What most agencies DON'T require is continued training with their firearms, or even regular practice. They'll supply their officers with additional ammo each year for the officer to practice on their own time, but there's no requirement for them to actually practice. There was a study done a few years ago regarding collateral damage and uninvolved persons being hit during shootings, comparing law enforcement officers vs. civilians who carry concealed. I don't remember the exact figures, but law enforcement were far more likely to damage property or hit a bystander when shooting an assailant than civilians who carry. Whenever I've informed someone who started up with the "gun owners need training" bullshit they either went into complete denial (until I showed them the studies) or they acted like I just shattered their whole world and understanding of reality. Most gun owners are serious and passionate about owning firearms and want to be as educated and skilled as possible.
I had my local SWAT team roll up to use the shoot house at a training center and in less than fifteen minutes It made me realize that even their supposedly well trained, hypertac operators can't shoot for shit, or reload. Didn't find out if they were full time swat or the ol' "give 'em an HK and a badge and call it good once a year since the metro swat will always respond before us" thing.

A lot of them seemed like they weren't comfortable with their gear, like they only shot biannually and each time were completely retaught in whatever new fad "body kinesthetics weapon systems manipulation technique" was going around.
 
They'll supply their officers with additional ammo each year for the officer to practice on their own time, but there's no requirement for them to actually practice.
Shit, why wouldn't they? Shooting ranges are fun. If the state's footing the bill for both the gun and the ammo I don't see why they'd pass that up, insanity. Hell if a department needs to run a recruitment drive they should put that factoid at the top of every poster/front of every advertisement.
 
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