🌟 Internet Famous The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

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or it's Enter going "the real world/school sucks. =,(".
That was basically his motive for the episode.

Enter's critique of the public school system in the US is one I should be able to agree with him on, but the criticisms he has are things that are not flaws with the system and more to do with him being unwilling to do any work.

Real problems with the education system are things such as how, in the US at least, there is a severe overemphasis on constant testing that tells more about a student's ability to memorize things than it does their understanding of any given topic. This, IMO, gives a bad reading of how much a particular student is actually grasping a subject since all you see is that they memorized the things. They should be de-emphasized with more focus put on In-Class tests and assignments that the teacher creates and allow for more open ended questions and answers than just circling the answer you had drilled into your head for a week. If a kid can write a few short sentences about what led to the Civil War I know they have a better understanding of it than if I just saw them circle the correct years it took place during. If Enter did something with that, he might actually have something.

Likewise if Enter explored problems with "Zero Tolerance" policies where bullying is concerned, that often see the victims of bullying punished just because they were involved in the incident of bullying. If he covered topics like this in the episode, it could be more interesting, and more relatable to viewers who have likely dealt with such issues before. (I think Disney's Recess did an episode on the problems with overuse of testing, actually.)

But, those aren't the problems Enter has. No, instead what he presents as problems are things like April wanting good grades. Not even her parents or school faculty placing too much pressure onto her and being dissatisfied with even a B+, which would be an actual problem kids face because of how some people look at education. No, the problem is that April, of her own volition, wants good grades and wants to work hard, and studying makes her happy. Another problem is the school telling Sally to consider what kind of college she would want to go to and what she wants to be when she grows up, a very standard question to ask kids, and most kids I would think do like to imagine what they'll do when they're older. For some reason though, asking a child this is evil to Enter. Anna bullying Sally could have gone somewhere to show the issues with how schools address bullying, but he avoids this instead by having Anna not go into the school.

In an essay he wrote that can be read here, he goes into some of his issues with schooling. Including that he was taught Pluto was a planet and then Pluto was reclassified later on, therefor school is worthless because we might learn something later that makes us reconsider something. He does touch on standardized testing, but much more time is placed on how he just didn't want to do homework or classwork, didn't want to study, that he was really good at vidya games, and that he was encouraged to go to college and he didn't like that. His reasoning for not wanting to do the work was that he thought it was pointless, but then he complains that he wasn't learning anything, while actively avoiding everything that he should have been learning from. He made his education pointless by refusing to do any of the assignments that were supposed to help him understand each topic.

This is the behavior we continue to see in regards to his video production and ability to understand criticism. Taking criticism on his writing is pointless, then he complains that no one understands his poor world-building. Making videos people want to see is pointless, then he complains he's not getting the views and money he wants.

While I don't know if centrist is what Enter really is when it comes to his political beliefs, i do not believe he is a hardcore righty, considering all of his mods are tumblr/twitter flavor lefties, and he shares some of the opinions they do (shoving LGBT shit on everything, even on kids stuff, pro BLM riots, spergs about racism even when it doesn't make sense), although it baffles me they haven't dumped him for the opinions he doesn't share with them (he even made Star Giant do a 180° on his opinions on masks).
Oh, he's not pro BLM, part of the reason he closed his dA was because he unleashed a shitstorm after a huge rant about that group.
 
I guess I didn't take into consideration that it might have been more of a take on the school system in the script.

Yeah, there's definitely issues with the US school system but as you said: Enter's perspective is muddled. I wonder if a part of him regrets not having taken his education more seriously. I have no clue if he had any sort of depression while in school. I imagine he at least felt really unmotivated to do much, which might have resulted and not doing homework or studying. Though it's just a guess.
 
(shoving LGBT shit on everything, even on kids stuff, pro BLM riots, spergs about racism even when it doesn't make sense)
I think he's only pretending to care about those issues to appease his staff. Just look at how the gender and LGBT stuff is presented in Growing Around. From Riley "deciding" to be non-binary, to every gender story being about characters fighting to be put back into gender roles, it's obvious Enter doesn't do any actual research on the issues.

As for BLM riots, I don't recall Enter ever coming out in support of them. He just got angry that people were suddenly contradicting their opinions on lockdowns. He didn't say much about the protests themselves.
 
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(I think Disney's Recess did an episode on the problems with overuse of testing, actually.)
I'm pretty sure the plot of the movie is that the villain, a former principal, wanted to do away with recess so that the kids keep their butts in their chairs to study standardized tests all day long. But yes, Enter's problems with the school system basically boil down to not being allowed to play games and blow off school altogether rather than any sort of even remotely legitimate complaints. Enter has never been able to stand anyone trying to tell him to do something he's decided he doesn't want to do, and it seems like a lot of his hang-ups boil down to "I didn't want to do X because of self destructive reasons and they told me to do it anyways!!!"

I think he's only pretending to care about those issues to appease his staff. Just look at how the gender and LGBT stuff is presented in Growing Around. From Riley "deciding" to be non-binary, to every gender story being about characters fighting to be put back into gender roles, it's obvious Enter doesn't do any actual research on the issues.
I think it's mostly his own staff behind those things. Wasn't there a stream around the time of the IndieGoGo Campaign where Ava talked about all the gay and trans issues they were going to address in GA and Enter more or less just went "uh-huh, yea, sure" while Ava went on about the subject? I don't think he really gives a fuck about these things, but just goes with them because his staff asked and they otherwise go along with whatever he says.
 
Ah, Enter. Now that's someone I haven't heard about in a while. Can't believe it's almost been six fucking years.

For the newer amongst you, I was the designated forum supervisor back when the loveable little ouroboros of autism known as the Entersphere subforum was a thing. Why I was chosen for that position, considering I was a newfag and underage sped at the time, I don't know. To this day I'm not sure if I should technically be entitled to a Retired Staff badge for my short-lived janny misadventures.

I've been recently going on a trip down memory lane and rereading the posts and threads of the time. You've probably heard the subforum was irredeemable shit, and honestly, most of the time it was. Having to try and keep the thing clean while retarded children kept pissing and shitting all over the place was nerve-wracking. But even then, you could occasionally find certain gold nuggets under all the autism.

There was the discovery of AnimatedJames as a fart-addicted lolcow, which led to me witnessing a dude's career implode in real time for the first time. There was Enter's then-assistant @Nayolfa popping up to defend his work, only for us to discover his vore fetish account, a hilarious anal vore story he wrote, and him confessing to getting turned on by his dog's mouth. There were the analyses of Growing Around and its world, leading us to the conclusion that it was a horrific dystopia rife with hilariously terrifying implications. And if anyone remembers, there was @NZDROW trying to lead the entire forum on some sort of retarded ruse-cruise, only for us to discover he was some underage nigger obsessed with Roblox who had spent his entire childhood locked up naked inside a shit-covered room by his parents (if you're wondering what came of that guy, he's now apparently a heckin' cute and valid antifa enby with a gryphon fursona going by she/they pronouns).

I burned out pretty hard after all was said and done, so I mostly stopped following Entersphere. But after that blast to the past, I guess I've come here to find out what happened to good old Entard. His videos were never really interesting, but his autistic pet project and his delusions were. From just skimming the inmediately previous pages I've gathered that GA is still going strong (as strong as it ever was, anyway), now with shit like concentration camps and, of course, trannies. Are the characters still NOT STUPID and NOT ASSHOLES? Did Enter ever get rid of that retarded "Gumdrops" pony character? Is Sally still a rip-off of Mabel Pines? There's lots of things to catch up to after so long.

I see that some of the more decent posters from way back when are still active around here. People like @Piga Dgrifm, @Someone or @Optimus Prime. I salute you, soldiers. Semper Fi.

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Wait, is there college in Growing Around? They don't get to do things when they get older, then get snapped out of all of their rights.

Either way, having been to a few different Unis in my time, I have definitely learned you can graduate and still not know anything. Demanding that kids pick a life trajectory at age 12 and if they cant manage to tunnelvision from that age they can pretty much be screwed in a lot of ways. If you don't have the projects in middle school you wont be let into the good high school classes. If you don't get let into the good HS classes you have a harder time getting into good colleges. Its really brutal out there. Some kids are expected to have Calc 2 done before even getting to college. I had calc 3 done with several national competitions and still wasn't good enough for MIT. I'm perfectly happy where I am, and I wouldn't change anything but I stand by it being a valid complaint.... in the right circumstances. It seems like he used that fact as an excuse to never try at all. Failing to grasp that getting to a respectable place is well, respectable. Maybe his obsession with being "a better version of" is a mutation of "if I cant be the best then why do it at all". The quickest route to 'the best' in his head may just be "better version or adjacent clone of something everyone likes", dating even back to him being a Doug Walker clone but for cartoons.
 
It seems like he used that fact as an excuse to never try at all. Failing to grasp that getting to a respectable place is well, respectable. Maybe his obsession with being "a better version of" is a mutation of "if I cant be the best then why do it at all". The quickest route to 'the best' in his head may just be "better version or adjacent clone of something everyone likes", dating even back to him being a Doug Walker clone but for cartoons.

I'll try not to speak too much about myself: I tried going to college but life circumstances got in the way. I'm doing pretty better. I'm trying to make money off of art and even worked on a small game jam with anothe person but that's besides the point. School/college still has merits. Some schools or fields, like STEMS/trades, offer more hands-on learning where it's more like working on projects; whether big or small.

If that's accurate about Enter having a skewed view on being a "better version" of something , I hope he eventually realizes that he doesn't need to be THE best like no one ever was; he doesn't need to be perfect. His reviews are sort of an example of him naturally improving to some extend...mainly on video quality and not sounding like he wants an angry mob at a writer. So in some way he can learn and improve himself. But he's gotten hung up about "who" offers him criticism and not realizing there can still be valid points from someone who sounds harsh.

I think that also comes back to why he developed the view of pilots as not being a good representation of a final product. Part of it could be that he has this vision in his mind that he has certain ideas/stories that need to be told well. It's like if he was a painter and wanted to do a big piece but didn't want to do thumbnails because they weren't an accurate representation of the ideal in his head. Things have to feel "concrete". I forgot who said this (it was in a video or a journal responding to Enter's journals) but pilots are more or less a way to get a feel of a show for both the audience and the creators. Of course there'll be subtle changes, even major changes. Dexter's Lab's pilot had even more of a wacky feel (though the early episodes did) but changed later on as the series went. However, the basic structure is there: main character is a boy genius with a secret lab. He has an older sister who comes in and messes things up; mostly ending up in hijinx. Of course, it's not always like this in the show but this is mainly what to expect, if not just being introduced to the characters.

His one book he released sorta serves as a "pilot" for the story/world overall and from what I heard, it doesn't really do a good job enticing the reader. It also ends on a likely-unintentional cliffhanger. There's a video review of the book by two people who had little to no info on Enter who pointed out the same issues everyone else has about the show itself.
 
Are the characters still NOT STUPID and NOT ASSHOLES?
He still says they're not assholes, anyway. Sally's defining trait is still that she is a massive, unlikable asshole and there's no reason to want to see her succeed at anything. I don't know if you saw, but he actually wrote and self published a novella about GA and one of the major issues (aside from his writing quality being generally poor and un-engaging) was that the protagonist was just awful to everyone all the time and would make a poor role-model for child readers.

He removed the e-book version from Amazon after the book received numerous negative reviews, so I had to buy a print version and scan it. If you are interested in reading it, this post includes a PDF of the whole book:

Chapter Ten and Eleven:
And that concludes Enter's glorious novel. It was so amazing. Sally changed and developed as a character so much throughout the story, she totally sounds like an actual child and I don't want to punt her across the room at all! The manuscript was clearly proofread many times over, there were certainly no glaring errors that made it a pain to read and understand! And that plot! Why, so many twists and turns, the main problem definitely wasn't of such low stakes nobody would care, and it wasn't solved effortlessly at all! And what a satisfying ending! I see now why Enter believes himself to be such a wonderful writer, and I feel anyone who aspires to write a book should be required to read this novel along with all of Enter's writing tip guides if they want to have even a hope of writing a story that will be loved for generations. Growing Around: Party Panic should be studied in all literature courses, and a unit should be devoted purely to the symbolic use of cross-dressing in both this book and the series as a whole. Jonathan "Enter" Rozanski will go down in history alongside the likes of Roald Dahl, Beverly Cleary and Judy Blume for his contributions to children's literature.

Attached is a .zip containing all scans, and a basic PDF. Hopefully I've uploaded it correctly. Should probably be added to the new OP whenever that is completed.

EDIT: Well, what do you know? I finished scanning this magnum opus just in time for another delightful script to be posted!:
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Why, what a marvelous surprise! The little boys are crossdressing! What a remarkable and new occurrence!

He actually paid 500 bucks to a 'professional editor' to fix this thing, but the book is riddled with spelling and grammatical issues (even the blurb on the back cover has grammatical issues.). It was discovered he used an online service to 'edit' his book, and after we found an e-mail sent to him by that service, it seemed his 'editor' spoke English as a second language and didn't have a full grasp of spelling and grammar himself.

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"Your writing is particular strong" Should be "particularly."
"You do a good job of getting in protagonists emotions and imagination" Should be "of getting into" and "protagonist's" with an apostrophe.
"Up to you to remove any word, sentence or paragraph that are not contributing to keeping the story moving forward". Should be "that is not contributing."
Did Enter ever get rid of that retarded "Gumdrops" pony character?
Nope. It's still there. In every drawing, it looks more like a cow than it does a horse. He also still can't be consistent with its name, sometimes it's Gumdrop, other times it's Gumdrops with an s. Sally having a pony is strange because she earlier had massive issues with there being a pony dealership in town because it resulted in more traffic laws she had to follow, and like Enter, Sally will not do anything that is asked of her purely out of spitefulness.

The pony doesn't turn up too often, however. Because the "main characters" actually rarely receive any focus. After seeing how the brony fandom latched onto certain background characters to make fanfic of, Enter gave GA a massive cast of under developed characters that receive far more attention than Sally and her family do. It is difficult to get attached to any of these characters since they are focused on for an episode or two, never really developed, and then dropped when Enter makes a new character that he won't bother to develop. Rinse and repeat.

The pony is also a male pony that likes crossdressing. Crossdressing is a constant theme in GA, male characters all either enjoy crossdressing or get forced to do so repeatedly. This happens so frequently and with so much repetition that we've all basically come to the conclusion that the only explanation is that Enter has a kink for sissification and forced feminization.

Gender issues crop up in GA all the time, to the point the parent-child role reversal actually takes a backseat in comparison to the gender stuff. I don't think it's supposed to be any sort of progressive messaging or transgender representation, though, for reasons I outline in this post:

Everything regarding gender identity and expression in GA would likely be pretty offensive to trans people if the show ever got made. He straight up says that people who are not cisgender are making a choice, which is rhetoric you'd find in conversion therapy and other anti-LGBT sources.

Not to mention how characters fight to be placed back into gender roles, such as Molly's whole arc revolving around her forcing herself to be a tomboy (for reasons that are never explained), and then being empowered by coming out as a girly girl. Dresses are apparently traditionally boys' clothing in this universe and it was progress when they weren't made to wear them anymore, but then they fight to be made to wear them again for some bizarre reason and in the future it's back to square one where boys are required to wear dresses once more. Just because some of GA's gender roles are the opposite of what we have in the real world doesn't make it less regressive that the show continually implies that one must always stay in their assigned role.

And then there's the "holiday" where the kids are required to re-enact the harm that rigid gender roles caused in the past, but it's presented as a celebration of that sort of thing for some reason. It's like if the US held a yearly festival where black people had to pretend they were slaves again. It makes no sense why something that was presented as so awful in the history episode would be made into one of the society's most important holidays, and then just recreated in the future with apparently nothing being learned.

I really don't know what he's trying to do with the gender shit in his show, beyond it being his fetish fuel. If it's supposed to be something to represent trans people, it's just unintentionally offensive. If it's supposed to teach kids it's okay to be gender nonconforming, it's a massive failure since every plot involves the characters wanting to be put back in their box.

Is Sally still a rip-off of Mabel Pines?
Pretty much, yeah. She's given all of the worst aspects of Mabel Pines and Pinkypie from MLP with none of their positive qualities, as I've already said, Sally is a very unlikable character and the audience has no reason to root for her.
 
Ah, Enter. Now that's someone I haven't heard about in a while. Can't believe it's almost been six fucking years.

For the newer amongst you, I was the designated forum supervisor back when the loveable little ouroboros of autism known as the Entersphere subforum was a thing. Why I was chosen for that position, considering I was a newfag and underage sped at the time, I don't know. To this day I'm not sure if I should technically be entitled to a Retired Staff badge for my short-lived janny misadventures.

I've been recently going on a trip down memory lane and rereading the posts and threads of the time. You've probably heard the subforum was irredeemable shit, and honestly, most of the time it was. Having to try and keep the thing clean while retarded children kept pissing and shitting all over the place was nerve-wracking. But even then, you could occasionally find certain gold nuggets under all the autism.

There was the discovery of AnimatedJames as a fart-addicted lolcow, which led to me witnessing a dude's career implode in real time for the first time. There was Enter's then-assistant @Nayolfa popping up to defend his work, only for us to discover his vore fetish account, a hilarious anal vore story he wrote, and him confessing to getting turned on by his dog's mouth. There were the analyses of Growing Around and its world, leading us to the conclusion that it was a horrific dystopia rife with hilariously terrifying implications. And if anyone remembers, there was @NZDROW trying to lead the entire forum on some sort of retarded ruse-cruise, only for us to discover he was some underage nigger obsessed with Roblox who had spent his entire childhood locked up naked inside a shit-covered room by his parents (if you're wondering what came of that guy, he's now apparently a heckin' cute and valid antifa enby with a gryphon fursona going by she/they pronouns).

I burned out pretty hard after all was said and done, so I mostly stopped following Entersphere. But after that blast to the past, I guess I've come here to find out what happened to good old Entard. His videos were never really interesting, but his autistic pet project and his delusions were. From just skimming the inmediately previous pages I've gathered that GA is still going strong (as strong as it ever was, anyway), now with shit like concentration camps and, of course, trannies. Are the characters still NOT STUPID and NOT ASSHOLES? Did Enter ever get rid of that retarded "Gumdrops" pony character? Is Sally still a rip-off of Mabel Pines? There's lots of things to catch up to after so long.

I see that some of the more decent posters from way back when are still active around here. People like @Piga Dgrifm, @Someone or @Optimus Prime. I salute you, soldiers. Semper Fi.

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Oh man, you've got quite a lot of amazing shit to catch up on.
I'd recommend reading back through any one of these to help refamiliarize yourself with Enter:

- The Growing Around/Hammerspace crossover
- New orbiters, such as @NNewt84 the cartoon fly fucker, Enter's cyberstalker @Femme Fatale, and Casey.
- Enter not only acknowledging the Farms, but sending his fandom into this thread (and only this thread because I guess he just was never aware that the Entersphere was a much larger thing) by linking the thing in his video.
- His COVID-19/political rants that have tanked his channel.
- Users spilling their spaghetti over intensely analyzing preschool shows
- Growing Around becoming an even larger dystopia and evolving into a 100+ episode, 6 season show, and a sequel series that's just wholsale ripping off both Steven Universe Future and one episode from Codename: Kids Next Door.
- Sally fucking dying in the original show's finale.

And so much more; those are just the immediate highlights.
Either way, welcome back to the madness.
 
And if anyone remembers, there was @NZDROW trying to lead the entire forum on some sort of retarded ruse-cruise, only for us to discover he was some underage nigger obsessed with Roblox who had spent his entire childhood locked up naked inside a shit-covered room by his parents
Wait, what?
 
The pony is also a male pony that likes crossdressing. Crossdressing is a constant theme in GA, male characters all either enjoy crossdressing or get forced to do so repeatedly. This happens so frequently and with so much repetition that we've all basically come to the conclusion that the only explanation is that Enter has a kink for sissification and forced feminization.
It's not only this thread that has reached that conclusion. One of the few things I did learn about Enter in the past few years is that Growing Around somehow degenerated into crossdressing fetish porn. I found that out just from browsing threads on /co/, so that knowledge has spread across the interwebs and is probably one of the reasons his career (such as it was) has apparently hit the skids. The other being sperging out about anti-masking or something, I'm not really knowledgeable about that part. The really creepy thing is that the recipient for all this weird fetishistic shit is apparently Timmy, a very underage male main character. I assume a chunk of those he drew himself, and the other chunk seems to be drawn by his new artist (RIP Nayolfa). I also heard about him favoriting fanmade tickle porn of the same character in a dress, but I'm not really willing to look that image up because I don't wanna be on a list. It's all really creepy.

He still says they're not assholes, anyway. Sally's defining trait is still that she is a massive, unlikable asshole and there's no reason to want to see her succeed at anything. I don't know if you saw, but he actually wrote and self published a novella about GA and one of the major issues (aside from his writing quality being generally poor and un-engaging) was that the protagonist was just awful to everyone all the time and would make a poor role-model for child readers.

He removed the e-book version from Amazon after the book received numerous negative reviews, so I had to buy a print version and scan it. If you are interested in reading it, this post includes a PDF of the whole book:

I also heard about the novel and how it flopped. IIRC it used to have a Wikipedia page at one point before being nuked due to obviously being completely irrelevant. I'm not gonna read John's whole-ass novel about his own version of CWCville because it will probably give me the tism, but the reviews on Amazon are pretty hilarious. Apparently Sally abuses Linda throughout the book and gets no comeuppance for it. Quite funny, considering how much Enter used to flip out about that sort of "injustice" in his cartoon reviews.

- Sally fucking dying in the original show's finale.

Good.

So I guess GA now has deep lore and multiple seasons and spinoffs and shit, all while not actually existing outside some autist's mind. As I said, very CWCville.


See my userpage for more deets. Honestly the guy's a total cow and has a massive Internet footprint with a lot of juicy drama, including on this site. But at the same time he's been irrelevant to this corner of the Internet for so long that I'm not sure bringing him up to the Farms' attention once again wouldn't come off as some sort of PA request.
 
It's not only this thread that has reached that conclusion. One of the few things I did learn about Enter in the past few years is that Growing Around somehow degenerated into crossdressing fetish porn. I found that out just from browsing threads on /co/, so that knowledge has spread across the interwebs and is probably one of the reasons his career (such as it was) has apparently hit the skids. The other being sperging out about anti-masking or something, I'm not really knowledgeable about that part. The really creepy thing is that the recipient for all this weird fetishistic shit is apparently Timmy, a very underage male main character. I assume a chunk of those he drew himself, and the other chunk seems to be drawn by his new artist (RIP Nayolfa). I also heard about him favoriting fanmade tickle porn of the same character in a dress, but I'm not really willing to look that image up because I don't wanna be on a list. It's all really creepy.

Is the "fanmade tickle porn" thing that foot fetish picture I saw a few pages back (it might have been in his discord)? GA really did (and perhaps does) seem to attract actual fetishists to it thanks to Enter's antics. Which leads me to two questions.

Is it intentional and Enter's actually just a creepy fetishist, too? Or is enter so dense that he can't that people want to actually fuck his crossdressing child characters? I know there's bend speculation, but was there any evidence one way or the other?

Can someone even be that retarded to not notice blatant porn of your child characters (I believe the foot pic is technically porn)?
 
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Oh man, you've got quite a lot of amazing shit to catch up on.
I'd recommend reading back through any one of these to help refamiliarize yourself with Enter:

- The Growing Around/Hammerspace crossover
- New orbiters, such as @NNewt84 the cartoon fly fucker, Enter's cyberstalker @Femme Fatale, and Casey.
- Enter not only acknowledging the Farms, but sending his fandom into this thread (and only this thread because I guess he just was never aware that the Entersphere was a much larger thing) by linking the thing in his video.
- His COVID-19/political rants that have tanked his channel.
- Users spilling their spaghetti over intensely analyzing preschool shows
- Growing Around becoming an even larger dystopia and evolving into a 100+ episode, 6 season show, and a sequel series that's just wholsale ripping off both Steven Universe Future and one episode from Codename: Kids Next Door.
- Sally fucking dying in the original show's finale.

And so much more; those are just the immediate highlights.
Either way, welcome back to the madness.
Is there a copy to the "sally dies" script floating around anywhere still?
 
Is there a copy to the "sally dies" script floating around anywhere still?
I don't think there was ever a script, it was just mentioned in his Discord that the episode where Max gets married (wearing a gown, of course) is set after the one where Sally dies. However, he seems to have gone back on this since in Growing Around: Future, Sally is alive and has children. So, either he changed his mind or we somehow misunderstood an attempt at a joke when we found the post saying Sally was gonna die.
 
Holy shit, seriously? I don't know if I hope that's true or if I hope that's a joke.
Not a joke. Here it is:
And for good measure, here's a script excerpt that hasn't been shown to the public yet.
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I mixed it up, Max's wedding comes before Sally was gonna die, but here's the comment he made about killing her off at the end:
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Apparently Sally fucking DIES in season six.
 
Not a joke. Here it is:

I mixed it up, Max's wedding comes before Sally was gonna die, but here's the comment he made about killing her off at the end:
I wonder what made him come up with the idea of killing her off, though if I have to guess it's the pretense that heroic characters dying that is a main character = deep writing which a lot of hack writers believe in
 
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