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DavidS877 dijo:
Get better hardware.

For me CPU performance is generally fine. Where I find the biggest gap is GUI performance running a Windows VM in KVM/Libvirt. Is there a way to make it better, probably. But I gave up and just used RDP from the Linux host into the Windows VM and that made it much more tolerable.

I'm doing business stuff, no idea about 3d/games/etc.
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I haven't even tried doing anything crazy. When I've tested them to see what kind of performance I could get. Not doing any real tests. Just starting them. Playing around and seeing how ti acted. Think like opening a browser, or just moving windows around. Were laggy basically no matter what I did. running with 7 cores. didn't make a difference. It wasn't even that it was putting a lot of stress on the system. And I was running other linux distros in vm's to do the tests. All of my messing around was with kvm based vms. Because as far as I know that will be the most performant.

I have a feeling it has to do with extra instructions the cpu has to run for everything. which causes it to be slower. But really I don't know. Definitely above my head.

That said. containerization, does really well. As far as I can see no difference from normal systems. But containers are running under the same kernel with a different userland basically, from what I understand. So it's not really an option for running another operating system. Though it is a good option for isolating things.
 
prollyanotherlurker dijo:
I have a feeling it has to do with extra instructions the cpu has to run for everything. which causes it to be slower. But really I don't know. Definitely above my head.
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That's not how virtualization works today unless your system is totally busted and is falling back to emulation. Extra stuff only gets called when it attempts to do something not allowed and has to take a trap or needs to send stuff between the VM and the physical hardware. CPU only speeds should be 95+% of native. The graphics stuff will be much more variable depending on which cards/setup is in use.
 
ZMOT dijo:
as @SCV mentioned redhat-adjacent and thus kinda annoying.

if you want a (somewhat) bleeding edge kde distro without arch autism or veering too close to footfaggotry from redhat which "just werks" (ymmv) I can recommend opensuse tumbleweed.
it's somewhat overlooked and sure the people in charge are leftards, but that's kinda unavoidable these days. just cuck them by using their software without them able to do anything about it.
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This is actually exactly what I did. Landed on tumbleweed and I think I'm pretty happy with it. The learning curve has been pretty easy. If I ever went back to windows I would definitely miss having a package manager... Also most of my cracked and modded games are just werking with pretty minimal tinkering in Lutris.
 
prollyanotherlurker dijo:
The reason I hate vms. Is as much as people can talk about type 1 hypervisors and passthrough allowing better performance. When I've tried to get it working well. No matter what it's been worse, and very noticably worse than bare metal. Like I've tried passing all the cores on my CPU except one even to see if it helped, giving it tons of extra memory. It still performed the same. Which is to say, shitty and laggy.
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I am running VMs on ancient hardware here with no real issues. Did you pin the cores and have the topology set correctly? How are you viewing the display?
 
(Physiognamy Czech) dijo:
This is actually exactly what I did. Landed on tumbleweed and I think I'm pretty happy with it. The learning curve has been pretty easy. If I ever went back to windows I would definitely miss having a package manager... Also most of my cracked and modded games are just werking with pretty minimal tinkering in Lutris.
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there's a few windows package managers like chocolatey winget and others.
there's some meta package manager that integrates all of them but i dont remember what its called
youd be surprised how much software is available in chocolatey, i tried a windows daily driver challenge where i only used chocolatey to get software and it had pretty much everything i needed
 
wafflesies dijo:
there's some meta package manager that integrates all of them but i dont remember what its called
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Are you thinking of UniGetUI (formerly WinGetUI)?
Has support for all the popular package managers for Windows (Winget, Scoop, Chocolatey, Pip, Npm, .NET Tool and PowerShell Gallery).
The program itself is webshit, but is so useful that I got past that.
 

I stumbled onto this. I don't think I've seen anyone that was covering the Xlibre fork when it happened quoted from this directly. And I feel like it's worth actually seeing what the person who made it said directly. Instead of a wayland shill, or a drama farmer.

Hello everybody,


this morning, Redhat employees banned me from the freedesktop.org gitlab
infrastructure - so censored all my work (not just on Xorg). They killed
my account, my git repos, my tickets in Xorg and closed all my merge
requests. And then making fun on social media about it.

They fired the shot that's heared around the world.


So much for freedesktop.org being "independent" and embracing freedom. Perhaps we should nominate them for the next Orwell award.

It's now clear that freedesktop.org *is* the Redskirts, and they want
to kill X. By the way, the same corporation that tied to proprietarize a
lot of FOSS code, including the Linux kernel (and I've been one of those who warned them about terminating our license grants them).

My most evil heresies probably were:

a) forking Xorg and making *actual progress*
b) talking to a journalist whose name must not be spoken in many other
Redhat/IBM tax evasion outlets, like GNOME (they're also banning
honorable long time contributors for just mentioning that name)
c) inviting *anybody* to join me, without discrimination

I don't know why, but it really looks they're quite scared by one guy
that's just trying to actually bring X11 forward. Hard to find he right
words for telling how honored I'm about that.

This didn't actually surprise me, I knew this would be coming for about
a year now. Just didn't expect them to do such an extremely irrational
and dumb move. Now I'm taking great pleasure seeing the Streisand effect
kicking in (my inbox is exploding). Thanks for that great publicity.

It's not the first time this happens in FOSS world, and it's not the
first time it's happening in X: remember what Xfree86 board did to
the honorable Keith Packard, back about two decades ago - what lead to
the birth of Xorg and the death of Xfree86. Same is happening again.

History repeats itself.

And now the Redskirts placed me onto the same stage as the great
honorable Keith Packard. WOOOOW.

Just to be clear, I didn't want to fork, I tried my best to work
together with the Xorg team. But I knew for long time, this day would
come. Xorg has been captured by Redhat, in order to get rid of destroy
competition. The necessary consequence is a fork, more competition.

For those interested in bringing X forward, feel free to join the
mailing list:

https://www.freelists.org/list/xlibre

Git repo:
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver.git

I'm expecting to be banned from whole freedesktop.org mail system, too.
Excommunication unfortunately had become a common thing in the so-called
"free software" world - GNOME is just one of many examples. So if you
don't hear anymore from me on freedesktop.org lists, you know what's
going on.

Join the xlibre mailing list to stay tuned.

Together, we'll make X great again.


have fun,
--mtx

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Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
Free software and Linux embedded engineering
info%metux.net@localhost -- +49-151-27565287
DavidS877 dijo:
The graphics stuff will be much more variable depending on which cards/setup is in use.
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I don't have a dgpu on anything I use. Because I don't need one for basically everything else.
SCV dijo:
I am running VMs on ancient hardware here with no real issues. Did you pin the cores and have the topology set correctly? How are you viewing the display?
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I mean, I can't really go back and check since, it was a little while back and everything is long gone. From the point I decided it wasn't worth pursuing full virtualization over containerization, I got rid of everything.

And what specifically do you mean by viewing the display?
 
Random question but what well supported dwm would work well for tvs? Something that just opens an app full screen and has a full screen app menu.? And ideally touchscreen compatible as the main tv a smartboard. Something that can be set up and themed to look as slick as a Google TV or the Plasma Big Screen project that I'm not quite sure is abandoned or not.
 
prollyanotherlurker dijo:
https://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2025/06/06/msg032747.html
I stumbled onto this. I don't think I've seen anyone that was covering the Xlibre fork when it happened quoted from this directly. And I feel like it's worth actually seeing what the person who made it said directly. Instead of a wayland shill, or a drama farmer.
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He copied that same exact message to a bunch of mailing lists. It is basically what launched Xlibre.

Examples:
 
prollyanotherlurker dijo:
I stumbled onto this. I don't think I've seen anyone that was covering the Xlibre fork when it happened quoted from this directly. And I feel like it's worth actually seeing what the person who made it said directly. Instead of a wayland shill, or a drama farmer.
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Redskirts lmao. I'm going to use that. Enrico is hero we need.

prollyanotherlurker dijo:
I mean, I can't really go back and check since, it was a little while back and everything is long gone. From the point I decided it wasn't worth pursuing full virtualization over containerization, I got rid of everything.

And what specifically do you mean by viewing the display?
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Ah well. If you try again I've had a relatively easy time with virtual machine manager / qemu and will try to answer questions. For the display I meant how did you see the output of the virtual machine? Did you connect a separate monitor to the gpu you passed through? The window that pops up on your desktop when you ran it (probably a SPICE display)?

Nice Stick dijo:
Artix testing has iso's with xlibre. It seems to seamlessly work, so I'm guessing it will start replacing xorg in non-tranny focused distros pretty soon.
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Already there brother 🤘
 
stupid fuckign debian cumputer we have set up for a 3d printer was not set up to the new wifi network, and I can't seem to get it to connect because it doesn't have half the cli commands installed that all the guides use and it seems networkmanager refuses to start if the printer's canbus is not connected

edit: turns out having a cam0 network in etc/network/devices was the old way, removing it made everything work.
 
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My router ended up dying last week, and magically the new one is allowing my home server to just werk now. I'm very happy
 
YoRHa No. 2 Type B dijo:
Are you thinking of UniGetUI (formerly WinGetUI)?
Has support for all the popular package managers for Windows (Winget, Scoop, Chocolatey, Pip, Npm, .NET Tool and PowerShell Gallery).
The program itself is webshit, but is so useful that I got past that.
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Personally I'm more fond of using PowerShell 7 with the Winget.Client module. There's probably a similar one for Chocolatey but it's a pleasure being able to manage software via objects, like installing all of the Visual C++ redistributables with just Find-WinGetPackage | ? Id -match "^Microsoft\.VCRedist.*\.x.*$" | Install-WinGetPackage, something that wouldn't be possible without the PowerShell module. UniWinGetUI or whatever it's called can be great for having a visual "app store" so to speak, but for management it's comfier and faster to use the command line since you already know the names of software that you're interested in. I also can't tolerate C# bloat, the only C# bloat that I rely on is Flow Launcher since there's no better keyboard launcher around, and alternatives are based on Electron, which makes C# look lightweight.
 
Private Tag Reporter dijo:
I'm going back to Linux after a long time of using Windows and I really only used Linux Mint before.

I'm starting with Gentoo, but I'm not sure if there's a more based option? I want to maximize the level customization I have, short of just compiling a stable release of Linux myself.
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Ok let's slow down here.


Gentoo? after only using Mint? That's a steep curve right there. Mind you, if you know what you're getting into, Gentoo can be great for you. However, if you don't, I'd say Arch does everything you need it to do.
Saying you want customization, Arch is pretty much you building your own desktop and can even rebase it to use other Arch distros ' repos. Hell, a lot of the arch distros have GUI-based kernel builders and schedulers.

I have done minor (keyword minor) stuff with customization and whatnot, but Arch truly lets you do whatever you want within the context of not having to compile everything from source. Gentoo is that but you're having to compile any and every program from source. Not to mention, you'll also have to get very familiar with compiling flags, which are a whole beast. Since, mind yo,u with Gentoo there is no "standard" when it comes to compiler flags since for every instance of Gentoo there''s also a unique set of compiling settings for THAT Gentoo installation.


If I were you. and coming from experience of using Linux in VMs coming from Windows. Then switching to daily driving Linux. Just stick to the more normalized distros that support your needs rather than wants.

daily driving linux is a different thing to just spinning up a VM and playing around with it for a bit.
 
Private Tag Reporter dijo:
I'm going back to Linux after a long time of using Windows and I really only used Linux Mint before.

I'm starting with Gentoo, but I'm not sure if there's a more based option? I want to maximize the level customization I have, short of just compiling a stable release of Linux myself.
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Maybe Artix? It makes it easy to install Xlibre which is based, just make sure you pay attention to the install process so you know how to deal with your graphics driver
 
俺たちファームズでノッテる dijo:
Ok let's slow down here.


Gentoo? after only using Mint? That's a steep curve right there. Mind you, if you know what you're getting into, Gentoo can be great for you. However, if you don't, I'd say Arch does everything you need it to do.
Saying you want customization, Arch is pretty much you building your own desktop and can even rebase it to use other Arch distros ' repos. Hell, a lot of the arch distros have GUI-based kernel builders and schedulers.

I have done minor (keyword minor) stuff with customization and whatnot, but Arch truly lets you do whatever you want within the context of not having to compile everything from source. Gentoo is that but you're having to compile any and every program from source. Not to mention, you'll also have to get very familiar with compiling flags, which are a whole beast. Since, mind yo,u with Gentoo there is no "standard" when it comes to compiler flags since for every instance of Gentoo there''s also a unique set of compiling settings for THAT Gentoo installation.


If I were you. and coming from experience of using Linux in VMs coming from Windows. Then switching to daily driving Linux. Just stick to the more normalized distros that support your needs rather than wants.

daily driving linux is a different thing to just spinning up a VM and playing around with it for a bit.
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This is the only Linux distro to use. Ya know, if you're not a faggot.

 
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