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Ahriman dijo:
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Yes, do as I say!

KDEbros... did we get too cocky? 😩
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Lately I've been getting pretty turned off by Plasma. The sheer customizability often means that the interface is inconsistent and slow and glitchy. At this point I might as well just use Cinnamon
 
Betonhaus dijo:
Lately I've been getting pretty turned off by Plasma. The sheer customizability often means that the interface is inconsistent and slow and glitchy. At this point I might as well just use Cinnamon
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Consider the following:

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I used gentoo from the 00s until I wanna say about two years ago, it let me sidestep a lot of teething issues linux software used to have and then it was just a habit. it was my first linux distribution after others failed to install (some IDE controller issue, yes it was that long ago) and I could only finish the install with the amazing gentoo install handbook that explained everything up to and including compiling a custom kernel for your hardware. (which helped me fix the issue)

With the years it got more and more clear that not all ebuild maintainers understood the packages they maintain anymore (needless, nonsensical dependencies) and the gentoo project fell into this weird vibe where things that worked fine the way they were were changed for the sake of change itself with often poor results, needlessly complicating things. The underlying issue here was, and that's my subjective opinion, that the maintainers didn't really understand Linux userland well anymore but rather tried to project and enforce the way they think a linux system should work. It was an uphill battle to revert stupid changes from upstream locally and while it was cool that gentoo lets you do that rather easily, it felt like a waste of time. I moved on to alpine which just lets you update your binary packages in peace without constantly trying to molest your configuration, which is a rare thing with most distributions.

I never did excessive tinkering to my systems when it didn't come to my workflow and customatization and I'd say that my gentoo system was always very low maintenance until up and about towards the end and the questionable tinkering upstream. if you feel it's constant work to keep your system running the way you want, there is something fundamentally wrong. My linux system always kinda just is. True changes are rare and the chance of an update breaking everything pretty much zero. It's good to know how it all, at least in principle, works. That's why I stick to simple software, something I learned the value of through gentoo.
 
Slav Power dijo:
>be Windows user
>can't install custom themes officially

>be Linux user
>custom themes wipe hard drive
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who knew giving a random theme access to a shell without limits or containments would be a bad idea?
it having root access is just the cherry on top.
 
Slav Power dijo:
What is it exactly that you do on your computer that you're incentivized to use Gentoo over any other distro? Because I really cannot see any other reason besides a very very very VERY edge case scenario where compiling all the binaries for your specific system is actually very important so Arch is out of the question or just wanting to show off how much of a Linux expert you are despite never actually using your PC for anything more than web browsing, spending most of your time just fucking with Linux instead of, you know, actually using your PC.
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You see these last 10ish pages where people were complaining about Plasma 6.0 being shoved down peoples throat on Arch relatively soon after release? You could easily stay in the Plasma 5.x package tree without having to lag behind on other software. With Gentoo this is simply editing the /etc/portage/package.mask that takes 2 seconds. Now you get to use your bleeding edge software with Plasma 5. You could also not add the "wayland" USE flag and you won't have Plasma trying to forcibly switch you to Wayland over X. Nothing groundbreaking, but very nice and not edge case at all. You can't do either of these things on a binary based distro.

Gentoo is no more difficult to setup than Arch if you go the wiki route. Both wiki's are very well documented and if something isn't working. You skipped something or you fat-fingered something. If you can read and follow directions, it really isn't hard to run and daily driver.

Compiling updates don't take long to do at all with a decent CPU, a few minutes at most for a larger update. The biggest offender was qt-webengine as there is no binary package for it. Rust and web browsers were are also a long compile, but binary packages are always available for them.

The reason I ended up switching to Arch was just a better 3rd party application availability. While Gentoo has one of the largest 3rd party collection of repositories called Overlays, they are kind of messy to work with and navigate vs the AUR which easily has Gentoo beat for package availability and ease of use. It's nice to install a package without having to manually install it or write an ebuild for it.
 
Yandex Captcha Solver dijo:
You see these last 10ish pages where people were complaining about Plasma 6.0 being shoved down peoples throat on Arch relatively soon after release? You could easily stay in the Plasma 5.x package tree without having to lag behind on other software.
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Is it so insanely complicated or impossible on Arch that having to go into Gentoo is a necessity to just, stop one package from autoupdating? Or even on Debian? Sounds something that can be done in a few seconds on any package manager of choice on any distro, I don't really see the need to go with Gentoo just for that.
 
Slav Power dijo:
Is it so insanely complicated or impossible on Arch that having to go into Gentoo is a necessity to just, stop one package from autoupdating? Or even on Debian? Sounds something that can be done in a few seconds on any package manager of choice on any distro, I don't really see the need to go with Gentoo just for that.
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You can try on Arch. You will break Plasma if you hold back a major Plasma update on a binary based distribution while updating everything else. It's called a partial update and is not supported for a good reason. You can hold back and just not update anything and you'll be fine if you so choose. Non critical components can usually be held back without issue. But you won't be able to run Plasma 5 on Arch while keeping the rest of your system up to date. That is unless you start compiling it from source and recompile it each time something it depends on is upgraded.

You can read more about it under the section 3.3 'Partial upgrades are unsupported' https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance

Non rolling-releases won't be upgrading Plasma to 6.0 until their next major release, or the release after that. That is the point on non-rolling releases, nothing major changes and things are held back until the new release drops.
 
did the funny with my pop os lts install.
was surprised how many things still worked, no funny grub rescue screen though :(
 
With Arch, you'll always have all the latest software. That's pretty nice, but it comes with a huge price: You'll always have all the latest software. I use Arch and I know that I am fully at fault for, and deserve, every package breakage that could potentially happen to me as a result of me using Arch. This is the fate I chose and there is no turning back. Unless I distro hop to something less volatile, that is. But then I wouldn't have :smug:archbtw:smug: privileges and, even more importantly, I wouldn't have the AUR.

It hasn't really burned me that badly yet, though.
 
I bit the bullet and updated to Plasma 6. I ran Wayland for a few hours but it is mildly glitchy (inactive programs going black for a few seconds then going back to normal). Stuttering in vidya so using X11 session and that seems ok.
 
It's amazing how, even with all the trials and tribulations this site has faced, all its enemies and against all odds, Null managed to give this site significantly more consistent uptime than Debian's package search and documentation pages. And by amazing I mean fucking embarrassing.
 
Sperg Coalition dijo:
X11 chads win once again while Wayfaggots seethe at the idea that their replacement is (technically) superior but its functionality and/or accessibility its dogshit compared to what X11 (or Xorg, in this case) offers.
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Just like gaming on Linux became viable after a long while, Gayland will shine its rainbow upon thee... in about 10-12 years.
 
Friendly Primarina dijo:
It's amazing how, even with all the trials and tribulations this site has faced, all its enemies and against all odds, Null managed to give this site significantly more consistent uptime than Debian's package search and documentation pages. And by amazing I mean fucking embarrassing.
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Debian’s package search and documentation probably does get DDOSed fairly regularly, by users of inept Debian offshoots. Arch was suffering pretty badly from Manjaro users because the graphical pacman interface those idiots developed queried the server something like ten times per entry. Debian has way more offshoots than Arch, so the issue probably is greater for them.
 
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