Culture The Left Abandoned Afghan Women - Hypocrisy? From demagogues? Say it ain't so!

Article Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/america-afghanistan-women/619828/
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The Week the Left Stopped Caring About Human Rights​

It’s remarkable how quickly liberals abandoned the women of Afghanistan.
By Caitlin Flanagan
Afghan schoolgirls walk through the Qasaba cemetery in Kabul on August 14, 2021. (WAKIL KOHSAR / AFP / Getty)
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Back in April, The Nation magazine told readers that the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan would be “a welcome and long-overdue action.” The essay, by a scholar named Phyllis Bennis, sounded upbeat, even salubrious. It was the liberal case in full: We Americans were a wretched people to have gone there and a depraved people to have stayed for two decades. Some collateral damage upon our retreat was to be expected. We had spent too much time, she suggests, celebrating “the important but tiny gains in human rights won by the small sliver of women living in the cities, while the 75 percent of Afghan women who live in isolated villages and rural areas continue to face the highest level of infant mortality in the world.”

Get the hell out has, of course, been the liberal position for two decades, until about 72 hours ago, when Democrats suddenly became so concerned about the fate of Afghanistan, you’d think they were at a Dick Cheney revival meeting.

You can call for American-troop withdrawal for 20 years, and you won’t be politically or strategically wrong. But you need to be ready to take it on the chin when you get what you ask for and the inevitable happens: girls being forced into child marriage and forbidden to go to school or to leave the house without a male relative.
Is your conscience prickling? Don’t worry, Senator Dianne Feinstein has everything under control. She is “concerned” about at-risk women and girls in Afghanistan. We aren’t abandoning them! They will be covered by the bipartisan Protect Women’s and Girls’ Rights in Afghanistan Act, introduced by Feinstein and Senator Joni Ernst in May.

Do you ever get tired of being lied to? According to this act, America will use the withholding of economic aid and the “voice” of the United States government to protect Afghan women. If the Taliban abuses those women, America will ensure that the militants are brought “to justice.”

Of course everyone behind this grotesque bit of fiction knows what bringing the Taliban to justice would require: the round-the-clock presence of a massive military power. Not the inside voice of Dianne Feinstein. We could not stay in Afghanistan forever, probably should never have gone there in the first place, and were deluded when we thought we could track Osama bin Laden to a cave in the northern mountains. But when nearly 3,000 of your countrymen and women are blown to bits on an ordinary Tuesday morning, you do not take kindly to the nation that welcomed the killers.


That argument has always failed to move many critics of the war. But even so, it’s remarkable how quickly the left took up the cold calculus of realpolitik. How quickly it forgot its love for Malala, the young Pakistani girl who survived a Taliban bullet to the head, her only crime getting an education and trying to help other girls get one too. The White House must have known she’d give Biden a bad news cycle or two, and indeed she appealed to the president to take “a bold step” to stave off disaster. You can understand why she thought he would listen. But she’s not a real problem for Biden. You know why? Because she’s something mere: She’s just a woman. She has no army behind her, no treasure, nothing at all to compel anyone to listen except for her matchless authority on the matter and the fact that morally—if not strategically or politically—she is right.

Here’s the fourth cup of tea: In the next few days, another girl foolish enough to think she can keep going to school will take another bullet to the head, and when that happens, the left is going to lose its mind. Dianne Feinstein is going to be very disappointed in the Taliban, and she is going to use America’s voice to give them an earful. Melinda Gates and MacKenzie Scott will go 12 rounds in Madison Square Garden to determine which one of them gets to fund girls’ education in Afghan refugee camps. The winner will fund beautiful schools—air-conditioned, STEM-centered schools. And there might even be time for the winner to private-jet herself to the Aspen Ideas Festival to explain the importance of girls’ education before those schools are blown up, along with the girls inside them.

We did in Afghanistan what we always do when we have lots of troops, an apocalyptic amount of firepower, and no brief on what to do with them. We killed a lot of people, destroyed a lot of things, and lost many of our own young women and men. We never did find bin Laden there. He had “slipped away,” we were told, as though he was a considerate dinner guest in a Noël Coward play. But while our soldiers were in that country, America spent nearly $790 million supporting the health, education, and well-being of Afghan women and girls. Female life expectancy rose from 58 years in 2002 to 66 years in 2018. Leave American troops idle long enough, and before you know it, they’re building schools and protecting women. We found an actual patriarchy in Afghanistan, and with nothing else to do, we started smashing it down. Contra The Nation, it’s hard to believe that Afghan women “won” gains in human rights considering how quickly those gains are sure now to be revoked. The United States military made it possible for those women to experience a measure of freedom. Without us, that’s over.

The reason—aside from honor, and quagmires, and the tender mercies of Dick Cheney—that we stayed in Afghanistan so long and at such great expense with nothing to show for it except the safety of that “small sliver” of women and girls is that, for all of America’s sins, our default position is freedom. For all of our sins, we are a great country. That’s easy to forget. Last year in this magazine, Barack Obama made what has got to be one of the most astonishing statements ever offered by a former president: “I’m not yet ready to abandon the possibility of America.” That was fast. What happened to “In no other country on Earth is my story even possible”?

For a bewildering two decades we had the political will and a large-enough volunteer military to spend our blood and treasure protecting the human rights of some of the most powerless people on Earth: girls.
In no other country would that story even be possible.

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Honestly, I wish this was brought up more; even if you believe the ISAF shouldn't have been there, you have to admit that basically handing the country over to the Taliban is not going to make things better for people.
We can open borders and let people flood in according to the far left, but when it comes down to it, I'm pretty sure the people fleeing would rather not abandon their homes and lives for a chance to live in a ghetto in the west.
(As in the people fleeing now, not those who jumped at the chance to live off the EU's dime and try to bring Taliban-esque values to the West.)

The saddest thing to me is that we had men go over there and die, thinking they were making a difference, helping to bring peace and civil society to people.
With the Taliban pushing back in, these past years and their sacrifices amounted to nothing. Less than nothing, now that the Taliban have taken all the equipment the ISAF brought over and instead of saying "wow, both sides couldn't think to implement a proper orderly government, despite multiple regimes maybe politicians are retards" it devolves into finger pointing and blaming the "other side".
 
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Unholy alliance of "progressives" and radical islamists exists for over six years now. You white-knighted for religion of peace So enjoy fruits of your work.
 
Oh sure, Afghanistan is the moment the left stopped caring about human rights.

They still cared about human rights when they were targeting children and threatening to put them through the wood chipper.

They still cared about human rights when they refused to pass anti-FGM legislation (and when they generally downplay FGM as just a pin prick).

They still cared about human rights when they walked behind women like Linda Sarsour.

They still cared about human rights when they got a man simultaneously convicted of intentional and unintentional murder.

They still cared about human rights when they voted for a monster who kept inmates locked up past their sentences to use as below minimum wage labor because they're too cheap to pay the real cost of fire management.

And they still cared about human rights when they used a sex scandal to cover up 5 states worth of nursing home deaths.

But this, this is just too far.
 
Oh sure, Afghanistan is the moment the left stopped caring about human rights.

They still cared about human rights when they were targeting children and threatening to put them through the wood chipper.

They still cared about human rights when they refused to pass anti-FGM legislation (and when they generally downplay FGM as just a pin prick).

They still cared about human rights when they walked behind women like Linda Sarsour.

They still cared about human rights when they got a man simultaneously convicted of intentional and unintentional murder.

They still cared about human rights when they voted in a monster who kept inmates locked up past their sentences to use as below minimum wage labor because they're too cheap to pay the real cost of fire management.

And they still cared about human rights when they used a sex scandal to cover up 5 states worth of nursing home deaths.

But this, this is just too far.
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TBF, this applies to Republicans as well: when it's your guy doing it, look the other way and ignore it. When it's the other side's guy doing it, tar and feather him until he looks like a humanoid chicken.
 
It's pretty surreal to hear leftists demanding more western imperialism after spending the past 20 years crying about it.

The fantasy of these people is for their tweet telling the taliban to stop goes viral and all those women rise up and take over Afganistan. Then they make a democracy based on western values but keep their own culture (but somehow not the sexist bits) and everyone claps.

In reality it has just been 20 years of "ok do it again, but this time do it properly; the way we like it!"
 
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TBF, this applies to Republicans as well: when it's your guy doing it, look the other way and ignore it. When it's the other side's guy doing it, tar and feather him until he looks like a humanoid chicken.
Oh of course, it's bad from either side. I just resent the left more for it because they're so good at optics.

They successfully managed to convince my younger self that they're for rights in general, while the right are oppressive hypocrites. Well, now I expect them to actually have standards.

They successfully managed to take over the media. When our mutual opponents fuck up, I know there will be criticism anyways. In fact I know everything is so pozzed that they'll take things so far and the "criticism" will go all the way into slander.

They've successfully managed to convince people that they speak for me on the basis of my protected attributes, despite being the anti-bigoted party that is against stereotypes. Well, if I don't speak against them, everyone will assume they speak for me.

I get that both sides are bad, but there are reasons I disproportionately criticize one side. One side, I had expectations of. I believed they were better than that. And now they've betrayed me and are using me by being the bigots they claim to fight. The other side? Fuck them they were always assholes.
 
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TBF, this applies to Republicans as well: when it's your guy doing it, look the other way and ignore it. When it's the other side's guy doing it, tar and feather him until he looks like a humanoid chicken.
Hang 'em both by their heels as hypocrites. I did when all the closeted gay republicans were exposed and hounded out of office.
 
They've successfully managed to convince people that they speak for me on the basis of my protected attributes, despite being the anti-bigoted party that is against stereotypes. Well, if I don't speak against them, everyone will assume they speak for me.
And then when you do speak against them, they accuse you of being a self-loathing traitor. Get back in your pigeonhole, peon, we know what's best for you.
 
Knowing The Atlantic’s neocon/neolib editorial line, the real purpose of this article is concern trolling to shame the people who criticized the war and wanted a withdrawal into having second thoughts. But why should I give a shit about women’s rights in Afghanistan in the first place lol
 
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And then when you do speak against them, they accuse you of being a self-loathing traitor. Get back in your pigeonhole, peon, we know what's best for you.
Which just makes me resent them more. At least when the right pulls this bullshit, they accuse me of being sinful. The left accuses me of hating myself and not even knowing what I want.

Same evil, neither side will give me my freedom, but somehow one side manages to be so much more oppressive than the other...
 
The article is almost based, except for the fact that the writer and the leftists who share their perspective won't learn anything from this.

Idiots like her want to have their cake and eat it too; they condemn America's "imperialist" foreign wars but then want to shame us when we leave. Which is it Caitlin? Are we the big bad colonizing empire trampling on middle eastern dindus or are we heroic liberators who have an obligation to protect all whamen?

It's not our fucking job to bring freedom and liberty to women in random countries. A side effect of our presence was the elevation of the downtrodden and that dies when we leave that third world shithole. This is proof that, yes, western civilization is better than whatever you want to call the groups of goat fucking morons who populate that region.

 
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Which just makes me resent them more. At least when the right pulls this bullshit, they accuse me of being sinful. The left accuses me of hating myself and not even knowing what I want.

Same evil, neither side will give me my freedom, but somehow one side manages to be so much more oppressive than the other...
Are you a woman in Afghanistan? If not, when were your rights/freedoms as a woman in the West ever threatened or not assured? In what sense were you personally ever oppressed?
 
Both sides/same evil meaning democrats and Republicans, follow the quote chain up.
You said neither side would give you your freedoms as a woman because neither truly care about women’s rights; in what sense don’t you already have those rights/freedoms or are disempowered as a woman?
 
You said neither side would give you your freedoms as a woman because neither truly care about women’s rights; in what sense don’t you already have those rights/freedoms or are disempowered as a woman?
Wrong, I said neither side will give me my freedom, end of clause.
Same evil, neither side will give me my freedom, <- this tiny punctuation but somehow one side manages to be so much more oppressive than the other...
I didn't specify as a woman, you did.

If I had to define freedom there, I'd say freedom to live my life as I see fit, and freedom to make what others would perceive to be mistakes. They sometimes use my sex as a justification for why they know better than me, but they'll use other reasons as well, which is why in the above quote I didn't specify a motive. The behavior and the thought pattern are bad, even if you swap out sex for a different protected class.

Also I didn't say "because neither side truly cares about women's rights". I strongly implied that the left didn't truly care about human rights, and my initial list included 3.5 cases with male victims. I figured they were relevant enough given the title of the article is "The Week the Left Stopped Caring About Human Rights".

When I agreed both sides pull this bullshit, it was in response to a post about how both sides basically follow "its OK when we do it", and I continued on with it in the following posts in the interest of being fair to both sides and acknowledging that condemning one side is not intended to be a free pass to the other.
 
They were crying about the "women of Afghanistan" since before 9-11. I remember staying up late one night to watch Jay Leno and he brought his wife out to cry about the ladies of Afghanistan and the mean Taliban who were taking away their right to...idk, whatever. The only reason anyone watched The Tonight Show back then was to unwind after a hard day and fall asleep, not to hear some rich white woman cry about shit a million miles away.

I remember it all these years later it because it was so fucking obvious this was some kind of State Department glowing talking point and if you asked 10 people in the 90s about Afghanistan, 9 wouldn't even know where it is, let alone have any idea who the Taliban are.

Like Ahmed Shah Massoud, when the news came out the day after 9-11 he'd been killed I gasped and said "omg they killed Massoud, this was definitely planned!" and someone next to me said "Who's Massad?"

Most American know fuck all about Afghanistan and could care less about the rights of their women.
 
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TBF, this applies to Republicans as well: when it's your guy doing it, look the other way and ignore it. When it's the other side's guy doing it, tar and feather him until he looks like a humanoid chicken.

Franken did nothing wrong; you can't change my mind. He's one example of Dems being completely full of shit. They forced his resignation over nothing, but the sniffer is now Commander-in-Chief.
 
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