The Good Place - A Good Show about the afterlife, redemption, morality and the innate goodness of people.

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Quite frankly I'm shocked that not only is there no thread on this, but that it hasn't been discussed on the farms, at all.

The good place is a show about a woman called Eleanor Shellstrop that dies and wakes up in The Good Place™. You see as it turns out, every single act you do when on earth has a point value assigned to it, helping an old woman cross the street gives you 50 points. Taking candy from a baby loses you 100 points.

After you die, your point total is tallied up and if its high enough, you get to go to a Good Place™ neighborhood, a speciallized designed section of heaven filled with anything and everyone you could ever want, alongside 322 other people hand selected for maximum harmonic compability, to enjoy your days for the rest of eternity.

If you don't score enough points, you go to The Bad Place™ where... well no need to bother yourself with that one, after all you're in the good place.

Well as it turns out, there was a mixup. Eleanor was not meant to be in the good place because she is a rude, selfish, trashy basic bitch that steals candy from babies and publishes her best friend's credit card details on reddit when she gets pissy.

She was meant to be in the bad place. She just happened to go to the good place because she died at the same time as another woman named Eleanor that was a human rights lawyer activist working to free children from sweatshops, and this is what everyone, including the Architect of the neighborhood that welcomes her, thinks and expects her to act like.

Realizing she won't last long, she enlists the help of an indescisive moral philosophy prophesor called Chidi Anagonye to teach her how to be a good person, so she can blend in, and by the time her cover is blown, hopefuly prove that she has improved enough as a person to deserve to be in the good place.


Now, I know what you're thinking, "This show sounds really basic, she just learns how to be a good person and that's it no?"

Yes, indeed, it does SOUND really basic, and that's part of what makes it so good. It takes a seemingly basic premise but runs with it to such extremes, both with the characters, and how the story develops that I am confident EVERYONE will find something to like about it. Its genuinely funny, heartwarming, just the right ammount of subversive, it blends personal drama with black comedy hillariously well, and the writers were on an incredibly tight leash to stay on form so as to not rush through things or waste time.

Everyone in the show gives absolutely stellar performances, and have fantastic chemistry with one another. The show has excellent pacing and part of the reason why I believe it is so good is because the entire thing was planned out from the start. It has a start, a middle, and a finish and then its over, no loose ends, no sequel bait or cliffhanger. The creator had a story he wanted to tell and he told it.

"But what about politics? Its a show about ethics, morality and being a good person. How much preaching should I expect?"

Ironically, despite being a show about ethics, morality, redemption and being a good person, it is 99.99% apolitical. The only form of politics it includes are subtle jabs along the lines of "Microagressions bad" that do stick out like sore thumbs specifically because of how apolitical the show is, but in the entire 53 episode run, you can literally count the number of them on one hand. In fact I did. There's 8 total and they are relegated to inconsequential throwaway blink and you miss it lines. Look, I'm a level 9 nooticer, and the show gets the all clear signal from me.

Also, for a show about the afterlife it is not anti religion and not anti christianity, and at least in my opinion handles the subject of religion pretty respectfuly.

So tl;dr no, the show has no politics.

I would love to say more about the show because there's so much to be said, but the plot developments are just as important as the character developments. This is one of the shows where the less you know about it going in, the better it is. Idealy, you shouldn't even know that Eleanor is meant to go to the bad place despite the fact that its revealled in the first 3 minutes of the show.


"Eh whatever, it doesn't sound bad, but its not my cup of tea."

I'm convinced if you watch the first season, it will hook you to watch the rest, which sounds like a big ask until you realize its 12 20 minute episodes. You can literally knock that shit out in 4 hours. But fine if you're still not convinced.

Alright.
At the end of season one, it turns out that none of the characters are in the good place, or ever were in the good place. They've been in the bad place all along where demons have been fucking with them by making them think they're in the good place and screwing with them in various ways the entire time. And there's 3 more seasons to go after this reveal that get crazier every time.


TL;DR Basic white bitch goes to heaven by mistake, she has to learn to be a good person to blend in before they find her out or she's gonna burn for all eternity. Very heartwarming, funny and well writen.

On a final note, one of my favourite jokes in the show to give you a taste of what to expect. A character is asked "How do you solve the trolley problem?" their answer?
"I extend a pike through the window, and let the wagon plow into the group. That way I can get everyone in a single go.", accompanied by this lovely drawing.

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It's nice to know that the site is easy for most people on the surface web to access now considering paid shills have no problems finding it
Yes, paid shills for a show that came out nearly a decade ago and has been over for 4 years, great job you cracked the mystery.
 
The Good Place is basically what would happen if we let atheists design heaven.

The show seemed so cloying and dull that I checked out ten minutes into the first episode. Nothing I saw since then has given me any reason to give the show a second chance.
I mean yeah.
They aren't in heaven. They're in hell, the entire first season is demons fucking with them by making them think they're in heaven while screwing with them in various ways.
 
I called the "twist" in the first five minutes, it honestly doesn't take a lot of brain power to guess the paint by numbers plot here people. As for the shows premise, its literally just "philosophy 101" for people who made the right decision to not become a philosophy major.

Its first season was decent, then everything after that was unbearable shit. It says a lot when Season 1's bad guy (who I won't say for the sake of the shitty easy to call twist) is easily the best character (and actor NGL) that hard carries the rest of the show/cast.

For the TLDR on why the rest is shit. Its your typical romcom melodrama that isn't all that funny because of the typical lefty "wokeness" found in every other modern TV show that destroys comedic writing, with a bonus that it was written clearly by atheists who wanted to make their fanfiction wet dream afterlife.

Its only good when you compare it to the rest of modern TV lineup, which is like eating the worlds tastiest pile of shit.
 
because of the typical lefty "wokeness" found in every other modern TV show that destroys comedic writing, with
The show is 99.9% apolotical. Its only wokeness is like 8 throwaway lines spread over 4 seasons.
with a bonus that it was written clearly by atheists who wanted to make their fanfiction wet dream afterlife.
The show literally takes place in hell with the afterlife on display being what the demons view gullible humans as thinking heaven looks like.
I'd really like it if those critisizing the show actually saw more than the first episode.
 
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The show is 99.9% apolotical. Its only wokeness is like 8 throwaway lines spread over 4 seasons.

The show literally takes place in hell with the afterlife on display being what the demons view gullible humans as thinking the afterlife should look like.
I'd really like it if those critisizing the show actually saw more than the first episode.
I really don't get why you have such a boner for this at best mediocre show. I did see all of it, there is quite a bit lefty pandering (it is absolutely not apolitical LMAO) and the show REFUSES to call the places heaven or hell FFS.

I did give it credit that its better than most shit on TV with the caveat that its really not a high bar to pass.
 
I wouldn't call it apolitical. It's very much rooted heavily in the idea of 'No ethical consumption under capitalism' and whilst ill give it points for being bearable with its politics until the final season, the straight white guy being an irredeemable monster/chariacature of Republican was very blatant. It dropped hints of wokism and whatnot throughout but was very heavy handed with it in the latter half of season 3 and full on in season 4.
 
I really don't get why you have such a boner for this at best mediocre show. I did see all of it, there is quite a bit lefty pandering (it is absolutely not apolitical LMAO) and the show REFUSES to call the places heaven or hell FFS.
I don't have a boner, I think its an alright show, its just quite annoying to see all the criticisms directed toward the show come from a place of ignorance.

For example, they don't call the places heaven or hell because its not the christian afterlife, they literally explain this to you in the first intro to the first episode, but you somehow present this as a flaw when its something you should have known had you watched the first minute of the first episode.
I wouldn't call it apolitical. It's very much rooted heavily in the idea of 'No ethical consumption under capitalism' and whilst ill give it points for being bearable with its politics until the final season, the straight white guy being an irredeemable monster/chariacature of Republican was very blatant. It dropped hints of wokism and whatnot throughout but was very heavy handed with it in the latter half of season 3 and full on in season 4.
I agree that the last season episodes with the republican guy was annoyingly out of place, especially considering how more or less apolitical the show had been that far.

Left a sour taste in my mouth as well and its a pitty that it causes those episodes to drop so far below the rest. I still think they landed the finale pretty well in spite of those tho, I'd have also done it differently but I don't think it ruins the last season completely.

For for the no ethical consumption comment, I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day they still admit that's a bullshit way to view things which is why they change the system.
 
I wouldn't call it apolitical. It's very much rooted heavily in the idea of 'No ethical consumption under capitalism' and whilst ill give it points for being bearable with its politics until the final season, the straight white guy being an irredeemable monster/chariacature of Republican was very blatant. It dropped hints of wokism and whatnot throughout but was very heavy handed with it in the latter half of season 3 and full on in season 4.
Plus, they made the affable old White guy a literal demon. It was an okay show and the boss from Workaholics was hilarious in the little bit of it she was in, but its politics/morality is awful.

Bonus points for the fact that this was probably where Fatrick S. Tomlinson learned about the Trolley Problem he used for his dumb pro-abortion tweet that got him his book deal he quickly lost.
 
I don't have a boner, I think its an alright show, its just quite annoying to see all the criticisms directed toward the show come from a place of ignorance.

For example, they don't call the places heaven or hell because its not the christian afterlife, they literally explain this to you in the first intro to the first episode, but you somehow present this as a flaw when its something you should have known had you watched the first minute of the first episode.

I agree that the last season episodes with the republican guy was annoyingly out of place, especially considering how more or less apolitical the show had been that far.

Left a sour taste in my mouth as well and its a pitty that it causes those episodes to drop so far below the rest. I still think they landed the finale pretty well in spite of those tho, I'd have also done it differently but I don't think it ruins the last season completely.

For for the no ethical consumption comment, I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day they still admit that's a bullshit way to view things which is why they change the system.
I don't despise the show. It had me wanting to see what happened in subsequent episodes, although season 1 is a slog once you know the twist in hindsight, but I don't think it really lends itself to rewatches anyway. I would offer more indepth thoughts if I weren't on my phone. It's a show that jumps from a 7, to an 8, down to a 6 out of 10. It's got an interesting premise that sometimes fumbles the execution is bogged down by an anvil of politicisation. As a comedy, I only found Jason to be funny. "Guys, I think we should call the cops." Is a bit that actually made me stomach laugh but yeah, not a bad show, not phenomenal, and I'd say if you're tired of culture war stuff you might outright drop the final season.
 
I don't despise the show. It had me wanting to see what happened in subsequent episodes, although season 1 is a slog once you know the twist in hindsight, but I don't think it really lends itself to rewatches anyway. I would offer more indepth thoughts if I weren't on my phone. It's a show that jumps from a 7, to an 8, down to a 6 out of 10. It's got an interesting premise that sometimes fumbles the execution is bogged down by an anvil of politicisation. As a comedy, I only found Jason to be funny. "Guys, I think we should call the cops." Is a bit that actually made me stomach laugh but yeah, not a bad show, not phenomenal, and I'd say if you're tired of culture war stuff you might outright drop the final season.
I think the Jason, the lawyer and the Janet are thee comedic highlights. The acress that plays Janet does a good job carrying half the show alongside Michael carrying the other half on their backs.

I don't disagree that the episodes in the last season with the boomer are dragged down by his inclusion, but I don't think they alone mean you should drop the final season as the finale is still really good.
 
I think the Jason, the lawyer and the Janet are thee comedic highlights. The acress that plays Janet does a good job carrying half the show alongside Michael carrying the other half on their backs.

I don't disagree that the episodes in the last season with the boomer are dragged down by his inclusion, but I don't think they alone mean you should drop the final season as the finale is still really good.
I think Michael carried a good chunk of the show. As for the finale, without going into the specifics, I thought it was a very nihilistic way to end things. Again, can't go into specifics because I'm shit at formatting on a phone.
 
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