The Elites Won't Back Down on Immigration - Their worldview explained

[Kalamazoo 2 Timbuktu]

Cra

Do you have any retirement money in mutual funds or a 401(k)? Then congratulations, you're a corporation owner. Do you go to church? Guess what, your church is a corporation. Schools are corporations. Labor unions are corporations. Charities are corporations. Every organization with a bank account is a corporation.

Crazy that every single one of those are riddled with corruption and criminality.

 

[The Ugly One]

Cra

Crazy that every single one of those are riddled with corruption and criminality.

You should probably just kill yourself if you think every business in the country is a criminal organization, because the situation is hopeless.

 

[Kalamazoo 2 Timbuktu]

S

You should probably just kill yourself if you think every business in the country is a criminal organization, because the situation is hopeless.

Did I say that? Examples of several large institutions were rambled off. I said they are riddled with corruption. I never said every business. Are you disputing corporate Churches, Public Education, non-profits and the others aren’t breeding grounds for embezzlement, corruption and abuse?

 

[Patrick Not-Star]

They are as ignorant about reality as they appear to be.

"One vision was described in the testimony of Admiral Poindexter, Lieutenant Colonel North, General Secord, and Mr. Hakim: That of a secret government, directed principally by NSC staffers, accountable to not a single elected official, including apparently the President himself — a shadowy government with its own air force, its own navy, its own fund-raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself.

It is an elitist vision of government that trusts no one, not the people, not the Congress, and not the Cabinet.

It is a vision of a government operated by persons convinced they have a monopoly on truth."
- Senator Daniel Inouye

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4593554/user-clip-daniel-inouye-iran-contra-closing-remarks

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't think the actions of pro immigration political figures and businessmen has any sort of complex system of thinking behind it.

They write books, hold conferences, and publish academic papers about this. It's not all a smokescreen to fool the people who don't read that shit anyway. It's really what they believe. Like even with this two-tier justice thing, it's because of how it fits into their worldview and theory. Migrants are oppressed due to a legacy of colonialism and discrimination, so when they riot, it's a natural outworking of their frustration due to their marginalized status. A migrant riot is something to be heard and understood. When the natives riot, theory says they don't suffer. They're not oppressed as a group, therefore they have no class grievance. Therefore, their riot is driven by hatred and racism, jealousy and outrage that their privilege is being taken away and being redistributed to the oppressed. Thus the crackdown.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

 

[Masturbator]

its a funny thread full of thought that isnt "uhhhh bazed us vs cringe em" with pretty damn good reasoning on things, so to add from myself based on observations from op and ppl in thread

With the end of the USSR and the opening of China, history exited the phase of capitalism-communism struggle, and entered a new phase of liberal, democratic capitalism sweeping the globe. Those at the front of this trend, like the UK and the USA, profited, while those lagging, like Russia and Iran, are only suffering. Fukuyama's End of History is sort of the Bible of this way of thinking.

this is hugely precise observation on a lot of aspects, as collapse of commie agenda worldwide helped globalists to takeover even most reckless commie countries in essence (e.g cuba and most south ussrs) or otherwise compromise with em comfortably to the point they are nigh subverted. Funniest part of this is russia which is technically part of elite but has audacity to do the deed at them and make em feel genuinely endangered, so to speak their speeding up shit agenda kinda backfired

The elites are not all-knowing masterminds. They are not secretly ultra-redpilled on race and sex and merely using this knowledge for evil. They are as ignorant about reality as they appear to be. See, for example, the incompetence of short, fat little women on the British police force, the humiliation of American women diplomats trying to girlboss Niger warlords, or the comical failure of the US Dept of State to build democracy in Afghanistan.

i am gonna be super honest with ya in an aspect since i used to work in company of certain russian political "activist" and shit was VERY BAD. Like its not even machiavellis "pick retards that are loyal over smarts that are questioning" kinda shit but the fact that everyone in political campaign was extra retarded to the point everything done was extremely half assed and nobody questioned anything. Posters about victory in ww2 had wrong kind of grandads, for campaign officials deadass put a serbian flag on a billboard and nobody did really questioned it, writing russia with one s, for me tasked to walk babushkas tryna persuade them in federation i wasnt even not doing anything myself nor even remotely questioned if i did anything. Recently the toad lookin motherfucker for whom entire campaign was straight up got mauled in forest he was braconeering for years. What i am trying to kinda convey is that most "elites" in question are hugely retarded, disloyal and playing shoddy machiavellist game on who compromises who first

This is the aspect they're most public about. There are two core ideas. One is fairly famous. Birth rates are crashing throughout the Western world, the line must keep going up, and to them, the most obvious solution is to import people from countries with high birth rates to make up the population deficit. Suggesting that we change the social structures of the West so that people have less reason to devote their twenties to career & carefree sex is hate speech.

imo worst part of all is that the very time imports would nest up the birth rate would go horrifically down once more. Keep in mind in developing countries there is no "two people have two kids" there is "two retards make ten spawns half of whom wont even internalize in life". They dont have a reliable pattern of people nesting up and making a good family but 20% of population actively recuperating loss of less lucky who didnt got their dose of vagene

When they say opposition to more immigration is "fascism" and "Nazism," they aren't just blowing hot air. They really do believe that the sort of government that doesn't allow a million Pakis over the border is the sort of government that sends millions upon millions of people to their graves and leaves entire cities in smoldering ruins. Your choice is immigration or a global war that kills a billion people.

i do believe there is a point of mass immigration is in disarmanent of local population and making them live under constant stress and cohension till they either break to submit or commit to troubles 2.0. We for very very very long time had this in russia regarding chechen chimpanzees who did nothing but malevolent crime but reaching boiling point ended up with homicides of locals vs invader diaspora and their eventually learning to sit on ass because if they get caught daddy putin wont get to defend their ape-on-cop crimes.

When you protest and riot, it doesn't show them that what they're doing is unpopular and politically risky. It shows them that their countries still have too many idiots who think the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese, too many backward bumpkins who are one angry blog post away from becoming Nazis.

riots are nothing but to way to push overtone window comfortably, most governments referencing euromaidan learned that frog needs to be cooked on slow heat instead of straight up putting it up on a maximum

outside of that i feel like saying we are in hugely funny chapter of history where whiny baby boomers and their few surviving offspring are busy enforcing the very system that religiously hates them with every apparatus such as religion and market enabling this cruelty at its max, most european governments in few decades would be genuinely unhospitable as there isnt simply any trained staff to run this shit without being jabbed at and with country being handed to real niggas shit will cater to world war 3 much fucking quickier than recent fiasco in east europe, as "liberal" countries e.g germany reinforce their shit harder than ussr at their peak in cold war. That said i fail to figure out "why" because if they are trying to pull same thing as with russia in nineties, then this shit wont work because even before bandit takeover ussr was at hands of machiavellist retards and their power grabs, by the time ussr fell entire country became a combat zone between grizzled bandits without any kind of fucking morals nor brakes in which the very same elites who never held anything more dangerous than a cock in their hands are very fucking likey to fell to first opportunists and "commercialists" taking the very window of opportunity to grab it to themselves

 

[melty]

Interestingly, the elites also seem to believe Globalism is on the way out. This is from The Great Reset:

The global economy is so intricately intertwined that it is impossible to bring globalization to an end. However, it is possible to slow it down and even to put it into reverse. We anticipate that the pandemic will do just that. It has already re-erected borders with a vengeance, reinforcing to an extreme trends that were already in full glare before it erupted with full force in March 2020 (when it became a truly global pandemic, sparing no country), such as tougher border controls (mainly because of fears about immigration) and greater protectionism (mainly because of fears about globalization). Tighter border controls for the purpose of managing the progression of the pandemic make eminent sense, but the risk that the revival of the nation state leads progressively to much greater nationalism is real, a reality that the “globalization trilemma” framework offered by Dani Rodrik captured. In the early 2010s, when globalization was becoming a sensitive political and social issue, the Harvard economist explained why it would be the inevitable casualty if nationalism rises. The trilemma suggests that the three notions of economic globalization, political democracy and the nation state are mutually irreconcilable, based on the logic that only two can effectively co-exist at any given time.[78] Democracy and national sovereignty are only compatible if globalization is contained. By contrast, if both the nation state and globalization flourish, then democracy becomes untenable. And then, if both democracy and globalization expand, there is no place for the nation state. Therefore, one can only ever choose two out of the three – this is the essence of the trilemma. The European Union has often been used as an example to illustrate the pertinence of the conceptual framework offered by the trilemma. Combining economic integration (a proxy for globalization) with democracy implies that the important decisions have to be made at a supranational level, which somehow weakens the sovereignty of the nation state. In the current environment, what the “political trilemma” framework suggests is that globalization must necessarily be contained if we are not to give up some national sovereignty or some democracy. Therefore, the rise of nationalism makes the retreat of globalization inevitable in most of the world – an impulse particularly notable in the West. The vote for Brexit and the election of President Trump on a protectionist platform are two momentous markers of the Western backlash against globalization. Subsequent studies not only validate Rodrik’s trilemma, but also show that the rejection of globalization by voters is a rational response when the economy is strong and inequality is high.[79] The most visible form of progressive deglobalization will occur at the heart of its “nuclear reactor”: the global supply chain that has become emblematic of globalization. How and why will this play out? The shortening or relocalization of supply chains will be encouraged by: 1) businesses that see it as a risk mitigation measure against supply chain disruption (the resilience versus efficiency trade-off); and 2) political pressure from both the right and the left. Since 2008, the drive towards greater localization has been firmly on the political agenda in many countries (particularly in the West), but it will now be accelerated in the post-pandemic era. On the right, the pushback against globalization is driven by protectionists and national-security hawks who were already gathering force before the pandemic started. Now, they will create alliances and sometimes merge with other political forces that will see the benefit of embracing an antiglobalization agenda. On the left, activists and green parties that were already stigmatizing air travel and asking for a rollback against globalization will be emboldened by the positive effect the pandemic had on our environment (far fewer carbon emissions, much less air and water pollution). Even without pressure from the far right and the green activists, many governments will realize that some situations of trade dependency are no longer politically acceptable. How can the US administration, for example, accept that 97% of antibiotics supplied in the country come from China?[80] This process of reversing globalization will not happen overnight; shortening supply chains will be both very challenging and very costly. For example, a thorough and all-encompassing decoupling from China would require from companies making such a move an investment of hundreds of billions of dollars in newly located factories, and from governments equivalent amounts to fund new infrastructure, like airports, transportation links and housing, to serve the relocated supply chains. Notwithstanding that the political desire for decoupling may in some cases be stronger than the actual ability to do so, the direction of the trend is nonetheless clear. The Japanese government made this obvious when it set aside 243 billion of its 108 trillion Japanese yen rescue package to help Japanese companies pull their operations out of China. On multiple occasions, the US administration has hinted at similar measures.

 

[Male Idiot]

There is a lot of nice and deepthunk posts here.

But I am a retarded asshole so I must rain on the parade.

Just because one explanation is right, doesn't mean every other one is wrong.

It can be a problem with multiple sources. Are some Elites importing browns to make a more easy golem, in theory, and get rid of pesky locals? You can bet your yamurkle oy vey!

Are some just trying to get max profits asap and than Yolo to the Bahamas? Who cares if the next president or CEO has to eat shit, I am drinking cocktails man!

Are some True Believers of the Message? Well of course you heckin chudderino.

Are some in for the grift? You can bet your Tate they are.

And of course, some elites are just born lucky and are full retarded just doing retard things. How dare anyone tell them their plan is retarded, their parents told them they were the smartest group of all people.

This is like a shortsighted man in a car, when there is fog, and the car has been maintained by jeets, its brakes suck ass. All will factor into the accident that puts the guy's car into the ditch beside the road.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

The Problem is, unsurprisingly, Western Liberalism, this immigration crap and being nice to blacks,browns,etc. is accelerated from enlightment era thinking, American Revolution,French Revolution, the idea that we should just automatically be nice to everyone else is downstream from that (even if it wasnt the original intention), you look at Eastern European countries and it isn't as big of an issue or even not at all, you look at Poland,Hungary,Estonia etc. and they are trending right-wards, the next Hitler will come from Estonia, the solution is getting normalfags to wake up, the reason you see all these Central and Eastern European countries being Based generally speaking is because they lived under and authortarian communist government and understand what happens when you submit to foreign Sabbatean Frankist influences, were seeing a mirror of this except under neoliberal Capitalism where there will eventually be a breaking point like there was in the Eastern Bloc in the 1980s, those riots in the UK were only a start, buckle up because violence is going to accelerate before things get better.

 

[cybertoaster]

Elites are as always hubris manifest, and the fall is around the corner...

The believers look back at the general success of the USA in dissolving European ethnic identities into a single mass of "Americans"

Which is why this will fail because none of the forced assimilation measures that we did to force that are in place now, the current system is just creating thousands of ghettoes where the people there don't even speak the local language.

and the opening of China, history exited the phase of capitalism-communism struggle, and entered a new phase of liberal, democratic capitalism sweeping the globe

Did that backfire eh? China is getting more and more authoritarian and ready for war, at least before Nixon they were just a bigger N.korea but just as poor.

@Otterly has mentioned her experience of this.

Link?

They don't experience the common rabble of the Middle East or Africa and thus believe they can't possibly be all that different from the common rabble of Wales or Tennessee.

All it would take is 5min of their foreign colleagues telling them some stories to show the difference. Seriously, ask educated third worlders about their rabble, you will never hear the end of it...

Your choice is immigration or a global war that kills a billion people.

They better be careful because a lot of people nowadays are starting to like the 2nd option.

so are Botswana, Qatar, Libya, and Uruguay.

Yeah I wouldn't put all those countries in the same category, the "third world" is too broad a term, you got countries that are going places like Chile and then ones that are hellish shitholes like Liberia.

Is not the same.

One might also throw in there that Islam and African tribalism are incompatible with modernity.

What's funny is that islamic theologians always say exactly that, but I'm suppose to believe some fat cunt who never read the quran over them.

European elites have put together a better governing system than Arab elites.

Technically true, it really shows when you go to those countries and see how inept, corrupt and inefficient the government is. Then again the populace keep voting for them so what you gonna do? implement a European-like dictatorship? didn't work last time(s).

They do not believe Pakis and Hispanics are failing to integrate

As shit as hispanics can be sometimes they are an order of magnitude less shit than muslims, specially pakis.

 

[The Ugly One]

by the time ussr fell entire country became a combat zone between grizzled bandits without any kind of fucking morals nor brakes in which the very same elites who never held anything more dangerous than a cock in their hands are very fucking likey to fell to first opportunists and "commercialists" taking the very window of opportunity to grab it to themselves

What Western and Soviet elites share is a belief that it is impossible for them to fall. Their system has the inevitability of History behind it. They don't worry about anything, not really, only whether they, personally will be next in line at the gravy train, and this frees them to be stupid and capricious.

And of course, some elites are just born lucky and are full retarded just doing retard things. How dare anyone tell them their plan is retarded, their parents told them they were the smartest group of all people.

There's probably way more of this than we give it credit for. Alex Soros seems like a fucking idiot.

 

[Male Idiot]

I forgot to add, all of them are divorced from reality. Whenever they want to get rich quick, breed out Yakub's white devils, enforce The Message, or just retarded.

They always never ask these question:
-Is this feasible? Can we do this?
-Is this pragmatic? Should we do this?

These two questions never enter their minds, much less any question about stuff like:
-How will this impact everything in 30 years? Will side effects be bad?

This is how you get Rabbi Shekelstein with the plan of adding 50 million muslims, promoting globohomo and deindustrialising to China in one designated package. Or how you get "green energy ze Poopenfarten Plan" which ends up reopening every coalmine in Germany.

He and his buddies never considered that the arabs would hate jews and gays, and that outsourcing to China and then trying to colonize/poz it would leave them with Abdul chanting river to the see and China telling them to shove the gay shit up their ass.

Consequences are a new, frightful thing and they don't know how to handle them, except hand out jailtime if they can, and if they can't, write a strongly worded letter.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Some management idiot was parachuted in and gave us a speech about how he was simply appalled about how many ‘mistakes’ we made. People tried to point out that mistakes are inevitable in a complex system the point is to catch them and look honestly at what happened to avoid making similar errors. He was unmoved. QIs would now be a punishable mark against you and your entire team, and whey would be going to zero. If a vendor or client fucked up, we would be punished.

Sounds like 6Sigma management philosophy and the lean manufacturing that (this also goes hand in hand with Just in Time inventory and we all saw what happened during the supply chain crisis that started during Covid).

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Every modern business textbook now teaches "Stakeholder Theory" instead of "Shareholder Theory". Henry Ford was an early adopter of Stakeholder Theory just now these days Stakeholder theory companies must donate to Jewish controlled NGOs.

Do you have any retirement money in mutual funds or a 401(k)? Then congratulations, you're a corporation owner. Do you go to church? Guess what, your church is a corporation. Schools are corporations. Labor unions are corporations. Charities are corporations. Every organization with a bank account is a corporation.

Does having a 0.000000001% stake in a corporation really make you an owner? You have no say during annual shareholder meetings (except if you vote by proxy by giving your minuscule control to some kike mutual fund manager). William Pierce tried this going to some defense contractor's annual meeting and grandstanding about some pointless war going on / giving weapons to Israel and he was laughed out of the room.

 

[The Ugly One]

Does having a 0.000000001% stake in a corporation really make you an owner?

You're one of the people who shares in the profits via dividends and buybacks, and one of the people who would become legally liable for its debts if corporate personhood were ended, so yes.

 

[Masturbator]

What Western and Soviet elites share is a belief that it is impossible for them to fall. Their system has the inevitability of History behind it. They don't worry about anything, not really, only whether they, personally will be next in line at the gravy train, and this frees them to be stupid and capricious.

i am gonna be honest with ya the worst part of it is that any of this shit is helluva retarded on fundamental level, we are already very long past time when reputation mattered but ability to reinforce their wishes, they dont even have to skinwalk shit no more since its no longer about putting more people under influence but not losing current one and buttering ones who do so with everything

its very likey that globalist typa figures are simply trying to pull whole 90's ordeal as it was in russia implying that if they would manage to effectively render governments dysfunctional/straight up collapse em they would have a good time privatizing and not wrestling shit with bandits and putting with trigger happy diasporas, which i believe is kinda the case because there is simply no reason for further treason (everything that can be stolen was stolen already) so at this point its either straight shitting or attempt to estabilish some sort of ad hoc crime empire as it is still in russia

 

[Atlas Sneezed]

If you want to fix the world you HAVE to exterminate Islam as a religion, and that starts with every single imam

I'm all for that, but Judaism comes first

 

[PrimeRadiant]

Its real simple.

Capital sees them as cheap labour. The Managerial class and their overlords see immigrants as useful clients they can mobilise to divide and beat down the natives in order to enserf everyone. . Capital, bureaucracy, the academy and the settlers are all united in the common desire to loot and exploit the natives. All have a common interest in smashing the natives down. This alliance will only break once there is nothing left to loot. At this point immigration wave will largely cease. There wont be much point to moving to corrupt, crime infested shithole with a shittier climate.

Then this alliance will shatter and these factions will war with one another.

Eventually one faction will be seeking allies and look to the huge, seething and disenfranchised mass of whites..

 

[Felis Meanis]

These are all nice, well thought out perspectives about the sickening development of so-called "western democracies", but I believe you are vastly overthinking it.

The "elite" aren't being hindered by an explicit ideology of sorts, but are rather acting out in their own self-interests. There's nothing more to it.

I highly recommend you watch this video (it's roughly 30 minutes long, but I do believe it to be a worthwhile watch — the owner of the channel is level-headed and delivers some very bitter but arguably truthful pills):

TL;DR: the "managerial regime" simply wants to manage our society, and are merely doing everything they can to keep and expand their powers. Trying to fix the problem of rampant immigration by untermenschen is anathema to this goal of theirs. Shitskins invading our nations are part of the plan to make us more dependent upon them. I agree with the creator of the linked video, and believe that the development in regards to niggers and other undesirables (paedophiles, transsexuals, radical feminists etc.) are degenerate forces invoked upon the wishes of this managerial regime. None of this is an accident.

What I believe you get wrong is that you believe there's a supposed ideological ideal the "elites" strive for. The only "ideological ideal" they strive for is to hoard as much power as possible by making the common citizen dependant on their shenanigans. No Hegelian elements are needed to explain our current predicament.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The Problem is, unsurprisingly, Western Liberalism, this immigration crap and being nice to blacks,browns,etc. is accelerated from enlightment era thinking, American Revolution,French Revolution, the idea that we should just automatically be nice to everyone else is downstream from that (even if it wasnt the original intention), you look at Eastern European countries and it isn't as big of an issue or even not at all, you look at Poland,Hungary,Estonia etc. and they are trending right-wards, the next Hitler will come from Estonia, the solution is getting normalfags to wake up, the reason you see all these Central and Eastern European countries being Based generally speaking is because they lived under and authortarian communist government and understand what happens when you submit to foreign Sabbatean Frankist influences, were seeing a mirror of this except under neoliberal Capitalism where there will eventually be a breaking point like there was in the Eastern Bloc in the 1980s, those riots in the UK were only a start, buckle up because violence is going to accelerate before things get better.

I think the early-mid 20th century had a nice balance of christian humanism in the west, but marxism kinda infested and parasitized it all.

A few old folks told me that the American view on immigrants up to the mid 70s (I think) was "what do they contribute to us". The east asians? They worked out. Non-illegal hispanics? Kinda worked out.


Also funny how people that lived under authoritarian shitholes know how bad it is. Wonder how long it's gonna take in the West before we get significant positive change.