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The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series
The really funny thing is that if you view Homelander through the typical progressive oppressor/oppressed lenses than you should in theory empathize with him because he is the ultimate victim of a psychopathic corporatacracy that seeks profit about all else.
The really funny thing is that if you view Homelander through the typical progressive oppressor/oppressed lenses than you should in theory empathize with him because he is the ultimate victim of a psychopathic corporatacracy that seeks profit about all else.
The really funny thing is that if you view Homelander through the typical progressive oppressor/oppressed lenses than you should in theory empathize with him because he is the ultimate victim of a psychopathic corporatacracy that seeks profit about all else.
Homelander is a member of the working-class proletariat who was tortured in a lab and brainwashed to be a corporate product, who ousted the corrupt executive controlling him and took control of the means of producing Compound V.
It kind of makes me MATHI that the Venture Brothers aka the greatest superhero parody/deconstruction ever made had financial problems throughout its entire run and Amazon happily threw a hundred million plus at this garbage show.
Invincible is a better deconstruction of the Supe world/concept, not that it flips it on its head or is cynical about it, infact, it embraces alot of the heroics and "goodliness" of living a life in service to others, family, friends and community.
however, it peels back and shows the childishness of being a street-roaming super hero fighting bank robbers when you can solve world problems, and in the case of Mark, Galactic problems, forever, for someone so powerful, and with the eventual command of so many other powerful people, superheroics is a childish thing to be put away, and crossing the Rubicon into conquering the known galaxy is far more important.
It kind of makes me MATHI that the Venture Brothers aka the greatest superhero parody/deconstruction ever made had financial problems throughout its entire run and Amazon happily threw a hundred million plus at this garbage show.
They should have kept the guy who wrote the first season of the Boys to write the whole show. Then maybe this show could've been the equivalent of Breaking Bad with capes, especially since Compound V is similar to Walter White's meth in that it was a quality product with blue color that was being sold by a guy played by Giancarlo Esposito.
It kind of makes me MATHI that the Venture Brothers aka the greatest superhero parody/deconstruction ever made had financial problems throughout its entire run and Amazon happily threw a hundred million plus at this garbage show.
Had financial problems, got cancelled during production of the last season (which they were told would be the last one), got a movie out right around the time HBO Max pulled all of TVB off of its service for no good reason...
I decided to watch season 1 of this show and have walked away with the feeling that it was alright, played with some good ideas, leaves a lot of promise for season 2 and does something novel enough with its premise to make me want to see it. I'd like to ask: how bad is the fall off from season 1 onwards? Is it a case where season 1 is the best, season 2 is maybe half as good, and then it continues to exponentially degrade? I've seen people lump everything after season 1 together as one completely awful package, which is concerning.
i'm fairly convinced the vast majority of people are either horrible conversationalists or just uncreative and completely lacking imagination if "write what you know" is the common advice and considered legitimate
so it's no surprise most modern writing is as shit as it is
The guy who is said to have come up with that quote is Mark Twain, and he's someone who had a lot of experience doing shit.
In an age where anyone can be a writer so long as they've got access to a keyboard and word processor, they won't exactly squeeze much creativity out the advice but damn they'll certainly try. This typically leads to a lot of covert regurgitation of things they like but slightly different.
The Boys used a traditional writer's room to come up with scripts. 10 people shooting the shit over an idea or direction sounds like it could be a good idea but the only context I've known a writer's room to work in are with comedies (and even then that's hit or miss). So, what do you get when you've got a room of 10 people who don't know shit about anything, consume politics slop all day, and are surrounded by people who agree with them 100% and agree on every idea? You get exactly the kind of slop this thread is discussing.
If Starr salvaged something of Homelander it's because he wasn't in that room with them. It also indicates that Starr is the only person to push back on an idea that made it to the script.
It's literally worse than AI because if you asked ChatGPT, "Hey, is there anything wrong with this?" it'd at least offer something.
To make mention of the comic, while it's not a good story, it reads better when viewed more as a comedy with shit humour rather than anything serious, and I think the show has lead to people neglecting that that the comic is incredibly fucking stupid.
Notably: Tek-Knight's comic version died a hero.
Granted it's undercut by his dying delusion of him saving the Earth by fucking a meteorite and the last page of Butcher and Hughie discussing the tumour, but the comic does this often.
It's not really drawn attention to, but Comic-Homelander learned he did wrong, was pissed off/horrified over what he had done, and died trying to kill the man who had done it. It doesn't totally redeem him given he does a few things because he got fully convinced he by Noir's manipulations, but his death is equal parts pitiable and pathetic, which is something the show tried to do but badly.
People don't see the forest for the trees when it comes to the mentality of a superhero, but typically you don't arrive at the intent of, "I want to be a superhero" without at least some earnest desire to help people, even if it's seeped in ego.
The comic leans harder into Supes as incompetent and emotionally stunted corporate products right? But the show leans far harder into Supes as knowingly reckless, narcissistic, predatory, or institutionally protected villains--and this is all under the idea that they're bad just because they can be. The former treats them as good people corrupted, the latter unironically angles them as intrinsically evil to an extent.
Homelander's final words and rage are understandable, which means Ennis has a better understanding of people than Kripke does. (Or Ennis likes Superman too much to make his Superman-expy be evil for no reason)
Show Homelander wouldn't have begged for his life weeping on his knees, he would've gone out in an impotent rage. It's just the show really wanted to lean more into the embarrassing and pathetic angle the scriptwriters wanted him to be when they also trying to make him scary and dangerous. Hint: you can't (typically) mix these two together so easily because weak snivelling cowards usually lack the strength or charisma to be threatening or intimidating.
Writing this reminded me: I read Uncle Tom's cabin a few months back, right, and in it the main bad guy's called Simon Legree.
Imagine every typical slave owner you've ever seen in media. The cruel, slave-buying racist tyrant who wants to break people--that's him.
Yet he treats his sycophant slaves (Quimbo and Sambo) with respect, and recognises what he's doing as bad, and so is haunted by memories of his mother, meaning his conscience isn't dead--he can recognise right from wrong--he just actively represses it, which causes him to rage out and rely on superstition.
Homelander in the show is basically Legree but shit.
I decided to watch season 1 of this show and have walked away with the feeling that it was alright, played with some good ideas, leaves a lot of promise for season 2 and does something novel enough with its premise to make me want to see it. I'd like to ask: how bad is the fall off from season 1 onwards? Is it a case where season 1 is the best, season 2 is maybe half as good, and then it continues to exponentially degrade? I've seen people lump everything after season 1 together as one completely awful package, which is concerning.
In an age where anyone can be a writer so long as they've got access to a keyboard and word processor, they won't exactly squeeze much creativity out the advice but damn they'll certainly try. This typically leads to a lot of covert regurgitation of things they like but slightly different.
People who lack introspection and empathy can't write stories.
They lack the empathy to understand people and they lack the intelligence to understand themselves.
It's unthinkable for people who can do both to comprehend that there are people out there who can't. "If you didn't have breakfast this morning, how would you feel?"
People who lack introspection and empathy can't write stories.
They lack the empathy to understand people and they lack the intelligence to understand themselves.
It's unthinkable for people who can do both to comprehend that there are people out there who can't. "If you didn't have breakfast this morning, how would you feel?"
I think upon reflection of the comic I think it's both a plus and a minus that the supervillain/criminal side of the capes aspect wasn't tackled.
On one hand it makes you wonder what the hell the superheroes are even doing(or are said to be doing) for them to have a public image in the first place, seems like SuperDuper were the only ones interested in any kind of community service or any kind of crime fighting(I'm aware Vought directs their superheroes away from actual law enforcement), and it would have opened up interesting possiblities if Vought or a rival company to Vought was funding the criminal aspect to benefit/harm Vought's grip on the industry.
On the other hand I do not really want to read either a bunch of sob stories on how they're all misunderstood good boys who dindu nuffin or (the more likely outcome) the detailed sexual hijinks of the superheroes and their rogues gallery.
HEH WHAT IF SPIDERMAN'S VILLAINS WERE CALLED THE SINISTER SEX AND THEY ACTUALLY HOOK AFTER HOURS AND FUCK EACH OTHER HUEHUEHUE WHAT IF <VILLAIN> WHO DISAPPEARED AFTER THEIR DEBUT WAS ACTUALLY CHAINED TO THE SEX DUNGEON OF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE HUEHUEHUE
Written by mental, spiritual and physical cuckold Warren Ellis, the faggot that gifted humanity the Castlevania cartoon (I refuse to call it anime).
He's also the pedo creep that had his self-insert OC take Kitty Pryde's virginity, so you now there's fucked up shit on his hard disk.
Really, it's fascinating to watch the mental degradation of so many once competent writers as the leftist brain virus burrows deeper into their brain. They all seem to want to follow Ridley Scott's career trajectory of ruining their legacy by trying to one-up each other in being the most obnoxious, unhinged, TDS-suffering faggot in the industry.
It's shocking to think the same guy that gave us Gargoyles, which I consider the pinnacle of Western animation, is the same cretin that shat out Young Justice.
Yeah all creatives are faggots but it doesn't change my point and liking of an old story he made. It's like not recommending Watchmen or Sandman cause the authors are disgusting pieces of shit.
If you like The Boys comic I still recommend Transmetropolitan. Lolcow creator or not, this was when leftist authors still had some edge to em. There's a whole mockery of the tranny community in the story, which take the shape of these weird cultists that want to identify as actual gray aliens.
None of that could be made today, I didn't know Warren Ellis even did the castlevania cartoon, I thought it was the pajeet behind the new DMC cartoon, Ari Shankur. The fag who did korra.
If that doesn't scratch a comic itch though I recommend Matt Wagner's Grendel, The Maxx, and the first four issues of The Mask.
Punisher MAX was really good, but after having watched the Wire a few times, it is painfully obvious he borrowed a lot from it for the Slavers arc, as well as some other bits and pieces elsewhere. I'm not saying plagiarism, but there's a lot of overlap.
The stories where he is rooted in something that he can do research on are generally the ones which I find the most enjoyable.
It kind of makes me MATHI that the Venture Brothers aka the greatest superhero parody/deconstruction ever made had financial problems throughout its entire run and Amazon happily threw a hundred million plus at this garbage show.
