The American Southwest - New Spain

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The cultural region depicted has an interesting place in America. It represents the modern borders of all the land gained by the United States as a result of victory in the Mexican-American war. It also represents the center of many political and cultural disputes. Here I will analyze them:

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For starters, Colorado was the place where the drug legalization push began to become popular. This places it on the frontier of American developments with the rest. Arizona is the exception, as I cannot think of anything at all controversial about it.

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In its place, California has double the controversy. Two generations of revolutionary communications developments, being film and computers, have their seat in California. If the state was split in two, each state would still be among the most important of states. It has a large population and a large population of immigrants. It has a recent history of harboring illegal immigrants in what it calls sanctuary cities. It is the place where former president Ronald Reagan became first governor then challenger to the Republican party status quo and ultimately a conservative leader. Not to mention, he was the one who signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, notable for granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.

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Nevada is next: notable for legalized gambling and prostitution, this state is no exception to the rule that southwestern states always have something going on.

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Utah has a unique history as well, being remarkably distinct from the rest of the country on religious grounds.

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New Mexico by its name alone strays far from the trend of American states by being explicitly Spanish in origin. California is as well, as is Texas, and technically Nevada and Colorado as well, but the fact that there is such a thing as a New Mexico indicates interesting and important things that make the region of the Southwest unique.

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Texas is second to California in population, and represents the conservative counterpart to its liberalness. Texas is ground zero for the immigration dispute, with the 2024 Governors' Letter to the Biden administration being a high point in the dispute between the states and people, and the federal government.

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Oklahoma is perhaps odd to include, but it is also strange, being the place where the Native Americans were removed to, and the state with perhaps the largest Native political presence, especially in reservations. Thomas Jefferson said that it would be many generations before Americans and Natives would be able to integrate together, so it makes sense to include the still somewhat unintegrated Native Americans in the mix of cultures and ideas that make up the Southwest.



With all these different elements in the mix, we have a real interesting question in terms of deciding what can be done with the region as a whole.

My consideration is that the region should be called New Spain. Here I will elaborate why:

1. When the country today called Mexico was made independent, it reverted its original name from "New Spain" to "Mexico". This means that there was now a Native American country neighboring the United States, instead of a Spanish colony.

2. When the Texans had to fight for their independence, what ultimately delivered them was the fact that not only had they staunchly upheld the legitimate Mexican constitution, but they were by right in the land as settlers from a precedent dating back to it having been signed over to theri use by the king of Spain.

3. The Spanish language is the second most utilized language in the United States, in part because of legal immigrants, and in part because of illegal immigrants. Hispanics represent the largest minority group in America. Assimilating and integrating them represents a key way to bring about an increase in the homogeneity of the country, and therefore the unity of it.

If Mexico can remove the name of New Spain from itself, and Texas can remove itself from Mexico on old Spanish precedent, and America can defend that claim to the point of annexing the rest of the Southwest, doesn't America have such a claim as is necessary to be considered the successor to Spanish power and heritage in the region? We already not only exist as New England but New France as well, having taken the majority of French territory on the continent, and gained our liberty in part to do so with the blessing of France. We already assimilated the French Americans anyway, excepting those who were settled outside of our borders in Quebec. Why is assimilating Spanish culture and heritage not similarly sought? If every Spanish colony except one has repudiated colonial interest in settlement and development, and has reverted to a state of stagnant growth, why should not the successful Spanish splinter in America take up the reins for the better of the whole Spanish-American civilization? Does this not mark the easiest point where Americans could export their superior culture to this region of the world, as has been done with partial success in Europe? Isn't this a keystone for political social and cultural development in the waiting?
 
Utah has a unique history as well, being remarkably distinct from the rest of the country on religious grounds.
Also physically. Throughout most of America you get some variation of trees mountains and deserts. But Utah, particularly southern Utah, looks like it's on another fucking planet.
 
Northern New Mexico is filled with old spanish families. Basically inbred OG spaniard hillbillies (Nortenos). We're talking red-haired, green-eyed, part indian savages with old Spaniard names. There have been disputes over property ownership up there for generations going back to the Spanish Land Grants. Basically, there are clans that still believe the king of Spain trumps the US federal government and have a history of doing violence to support it. I'm pretty sure they'd be fine calling it New Spain.
 
You are making a huge logical leap equating the settler Spanish culture with Mexican culture. There's descendants of Spanish settlers going back 5-6 generations within the region of the Southwest you outlined who are the epitome of assimilated hyphenated Americans with funny last names that don't even raise an eyebrow in day to day interactions with them.
But the post-Hart Cellar waves of Mexican immigration are overwhelmingly Indian Mestizos that the Castizos in Mexico did an equally shit job assimilating. The penchant for violence, the corruption, the honor culture, these are all classic Third World cultural tics that have resisted assimilation for hundreds of years.

We would've had the same problem with American natives, had they not been smaller in number and had we interbred with them instead of warring with them and corralling them into the shittiest parts of real estate.
 
You are making a huge logical leap equating the settler Spanish culture with Mexican culture.
The distinction is actually the point of the thread: If we merge the settler Spanish culture, heritage, and especially historical differences from Mexican culture, we can make it the default state of being for Hispanics in America to oppose those corrupt cultural elements.
 
Arizona is the exception, as I cannot think of anything at all controversial about it.
Arizona passed the most aggressive immigration law around 2012, igniting much debate over the issue. Also, Joe Arpaio was from there, and I believe he was connected to this somehow.
In its place, California has double the controversy. Two generations of revolutionary communications developments, being film and computers, have their seat in California. If the state was split in two, each state would still be among the most important of states. It has a large population and a large population of immigrants. It has a recent history of harboring illegal immigrants in what it calls sanctuary cities.
I was born and grew up in Cali, and it was not considered an uber-liberal state until relatively recently. Until the early 90s, California had massive defense contracting, which created a large, mostly Republican voter base. In the early 2000s, there was a Democrat governor named Gray Davis who inherited a bunch of problems, mainly an energy crisis caused by the previous Republican governor deregulating the energy industry and giving it all to Enron. Of course, he was then recalled and replaced by Arnie, who was a shit governor. There were large attempts to legalize both gay marriage and weed in Cali, but they were both pretty unpopular, and rejected by propositions (in 2006 and 2010 I think.) Even illegal immigration was somewhat despised by many Californians when I lived there. I lived in a mostly Armenian suburb of LA, but even most of them disliked illegals. There was a pro-immigration movie released in the early 2000s called 'A Day Without Mexicans,' that was sort of popular, but more so for being mocked and ridiculed.
 
I was born and grew up in Cali, and it was not considered an uber-liberal state until relatively recently.
The geographic disconnect from the rest of the country and world makes it grow in isolation. It's like a Utah for liberals now. A high-speed rail that went all along the west coast and carried from L.A. through to Texas and beyond would do well.
Arizona passed the most aggressive immigration law around 2012, igniting much debate over the issue. Also, Joe Arpaio was from there, and I believe he was connected to this somehow.
Interestingly the last state of the mainland admitted in 1912; gave us the 48 star flag carried into both WWI and WWII. I suppose the incorporation of the Southwest taking so long is part of what makes it relatively interesting even today.
 
Also physically. Throughout most of America you get some variation of trees mountains and deserts. But Utah, particularly southern Utah, looks like it's on another fucking planet.
Can confirm. The climate also shifts in certain areas. St. George is hot no matter the time of year, the mountains are cold even in summer due to the elevation, and the plains are less of desert and more tundra
 
Arizona was insanely controversial during the early and mid 2000s for its super lax gun laws and one immigration law so controversial it made China cry to the federal government. Thats not even mentioning Joe Arpaio and his tent city. Arizona is the most interesting state in the region as you get a weird bastardized mix of liberal, Mexican, Mormon and conservative culture mixed into one.
 
This reads like a 7th grade report for geography class. You've written so much to say so little. Hopefully you hit your word count at least.

Arizona was insanely controversial during the early and mid 2000s for its super lax gun laws and one immigration law so controversial

Also, they were one of the last holdouts on MLK day, as memorialized by Public Enemy:
 
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Arizona is the most interesting state in the region
The cultural blend is probably interesting as to how it plays out; might be a bellwether for the country.
Northern New Mexico is filled with old spanish families. I'm pretty sure they'd be fine calling it New Spain.
Arizona-New Mexico are probably the standout most-Southwestern like states.
Worst part of the country.
It's kind of an outlier in being the most dispersed of the four. I'd say the Southwest has about as much going on as the North, Northwest, and South combined. Also, history has played out such that most of the country is already set in stone as to what it is regionally, where the Southwest is still very much in play as to what it winds up being like in the future.
 
So you want to toss the Oklahoma Reservation Indians, into new spicland because Native political presence? Yeah good luck with that, I don't know about the other tribes, but Cherokee Nation makes Oklahoma waaay too much money to let them be tossed into a spic meat grinder. And as for assimilation, the Cherokee tribe is probably one of the most assimilated of the Reservation Indians. last time I went to Oklahoma in the early 2010s, I checked out Cherokee Nation and it seemed they are as assimilated as they will ever get. Tribe members had American mutt partners, and they practice the American culture of corporate capitalism. Their reservation may as well be a town, and it would be if it wasn't for boatloads of cash the state gets, so they do whatever to keep the Reservation Indians in Oklahoma happy.


If you were serious about this New Spain idea, the Navajo reservation is right smack dab in the middle of the states that would be part of New Spain. The Navajo would fit a spic dominated region. The Navajo even has the highest population, just recently beating the Cherokee. And surprisingly the Navajo generate some serious cash, so there is the regions cash cow. They even have a lot of history with Spain. The primary language being Spanish would be welcomed by the Navajo, since they preferred Spain over the white man. Last but not least they have Native political presence, in not one but three states.
 
So you want to toss the Oklahoma Reservation Indians, into new spicland because Native political presence? Yeah good luck with that, I don't know about the other tribes, but Cherokee Nation makes Oklahoma waaay too much money to let them be tossed into a spic meat grinder. And as for assimilation, the Cherokee tribe is probably one of the most assimilated of the Reservation Indians. last time I went to Oklahoma in the early 2010s, I checked out Cherokee Nation and it seemed they are as assimilated as they will ever get. Tribe members had American mutt partners, and they practice the American culture of corporate capitalism. Their reservation may as well be a town, and it would be if it wasn't for boatloads of cash the state gets, so they do whatever to keep the Reservation Indians in Oklahoma happy.


If you were serious about this New Spain idea, the Navajo reservation is right smack dab in the middle of the states that would be part of New Spain. The Navajo would fit a spic dominated region. The Navajo even has the highest population, just recently beating the Cherokee. And surprisingly the Navajo generate some serious cash, so there is the regions cash cow. They even have a lot of history with Spain. The primary language being Spanish would be welcomed by the Navajo, since they preferred Spain over the white man. Last but not least they have Native political presence, in not one but three states.
Cherokees are 98% white because there's no blood quorum, even the current Governor of Oklahoma who hates the Tribes is an enrolled Cherokee Indian, the only Cherokees who are serious about being pure blood are the UKB Cherokee who's entire legal existence revolves around calling the Cherokee Nation white washed fags.

Also other way around boss, Cherokee became bigger than Navajo during Covid

On the topic of Texas, Texas is Texas, our native hispanic population (Tejanos) absolutely despise Mexicans and see them as subhumans and would both gladly nuke California and Mexico City if given the chance.
 
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