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did he live in a gated community tho?
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It goes back to the issue that Jax isn't a horrible person because he's trans. He's a horrible person because he's Jax.
In a better story, other characters would pick up on the fact that his backstory is nowhere near as bad as theirs, and yet he uses them as an excuse to be an unlikable jerk and call him out for it. This would be when Jax gets his epiphany moment and realizes that "Huh. I guess I DO suck. Even though other people have been through worse, they managed to be better people than me. Maybe I should try to be better too." and this would open up the path for Jax to start trying to EARN his redemption rather than playing sad music and use dramatic lighting to trick the audience into feeling bad for him
Of course, we don't live in that timeline. In fact, we live in the worst possible timeline where Jax's backstory being nowhere near as bad as the others is excused because he's trans, and as a trans person struggling with his identity, he's "supposed" to be more sensitive than other people. It's "reasonable" for him to fly into a toxic rage whenever he receives what he believes to be a single, smallest SLIGHT against his identity. He doesn't need to realize that he's a whiny bitch that curls up at the tiniest scathe, he just needs to take his estrogen pills.
If the Twitter people are going around claiming they relate to an overly sensitive snowflake that starts screaming when someone so much as uses the wrong pronouns, maybe they should take the hint
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He's a horrible person because he's trans, too, though.
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Why do most Kiwi's here hate trans people so much? Is the hate just a meme around here or is it genuine?
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There's an entire subforum, it's right there on the front page
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ITS BECAUSE WE HATE OURSELVES FOR WANTING TO FUCK THEM OK!!!!! THERE!! I SAID IT, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!?!?!?!??
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This doesn't make the hate any less irrational.
So Null x Keffals is actually real is what your saying?ITS BECAUSE WE HATE OURSELVES FOR WANTING TO FUCK THEM OK!!!!! THERE!! I SAID IT, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!?!?!?!??
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yes but keffals was into null first
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While I also happened to watch SMG4 during its golden age, I grew out of it and moved on about when that golden age ended coincidentally. For years, I heard almost nothing about it with the sole exception of them having made a show for an SMG4 character using Australian tax paper money. For almost a decade, that's all I knew.
This is how it was until I discovered Murder Drones, a show best described as an autism magnet. Well, that autism magnet worked on my autistic ass, and now I'm cursed forever with that cartoon.
The point is MD would lead me to discover that the company that made it also happened to be the one that was owned by the SMG4 guy and that the SMG4 YouTube channel was somehow still functioning in the 2020s. If not for MD, I wouldn't have discovered how SMG4 declined right after I stopped watching it, and I probably wouldn't have watched TADC or the pilots for other Glitch cartoons.
For me, SMG4 and Glitch Productions are two separate entities; the fact that the former is responsible for the creation of the latter is just trivia.
You have blown my mind.
I started thinking about modern media involving Lovecraftian horror and cannot stop noticing this pattern. It's everywhere. They really like to humanize beings that are supposed to be incomprehensible for us.
I think eldritch beings should be as incomprehensible to humans as humans are to songbirds. Just think about it. While these small birds can get used to living in a garden with humans around, they will never understand what we are or why we are doing what we do. They don't know what clothes are or how they aren't part of the human body; they don't understand what gardening is; they can't comprehend why we are playing with pets or why we would feed them; human food is unrecognizable for them, etc. While most of us happen to be okay with their existence for reasons unknown to them, there is also nothing stopping us from harming them and destroying their nests and eggs. One can be direct about these intentions; one could set up traps, and the bird would never know it was human who's responsible for it; one could chop down a tree without knowing there was a nest on it, etc.
This level of incomprehension and powerlessness should be the minimum for eldritch horror. We shouldn't be able to understand what is happening or why it is happening, nor should we be able to do anything about it.
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Depends on the person you ask, but for a lot of people it's pattern recognition. Sure, like any group there'll be some who don't match the pattern, but almost every loud-and-proud trans person most of us encounter - regardless of online or irl - is some flavor of predatory and/or manipulative. At best you're looking at someone deeply insecure scrabbling for a way to control how they're percieved by others. They're one of the main groups trying to censor thought and speech right now, and so, so, so many of them are into heinous shit. The simple prevalence of "egg cracking culture" and the "cotton ceiling" is enough to show they, as a general group, have a complete disregard or contempt for other people's consent and autonomy if it doesn't fall in line with their desires.
There was a time when I didn't feel this way - I still try to be open to the possibility of "the good ones" irl, despite all this - but a trans flag in bio immediately tells me "be wary of this one", especially with other calling cards like "puppygirl" and shit like that. If the vibe is off, you gotta trust your guts, the ability to self-ID into a protected class attracts the worst kinds of people. There's a hige difference between people like Zooble, who's relatively normal (if insufferable at times), and people like the Tranpa in the Gus Lamont case, who's consistently shown himself to be callous, violent, and controlling - which would undoubtably be the kind of person trans Jax would be.
It's like passing by a tweaker - sure, most of the time you'd be fine, but the chance of them flipping out and stabbing you is higher than the general population, so most people opt to avoid them whenever they can.
There was a time when I didn't feel this way - I still try to be open to the possibility of "the good ones" irl, despite all this - but a trans flag in bio immediately tells me "be wary of this one", especially with other calling cards like "puppygirl" and shit like that. If the vibe is off, you gotta trust your guts, the ability to self-ID into a protected class attracts the worst kinds of people. There's a hige difference between people like Zooble, who's relatively normal (if insufferable at times), and people like the Tranpa in the Gus Lamont case, who's consistently shown himself to be callous, violent, and controlling - which would undoubtably be the kind of person trans Jax would be.
It's like passing by a tweaker - sure, most of the time you'd be fine, but the chance of them flipping out and stabbing you is higher than the general population, so most people opt to avoid them whenever they can.
I still find it funny that the Stupendium's music video managed to make a more compelling story than... most of the show ended up being. It's goofy, but honestly it shows a character breaking down into madness waaay better than any of the therapy sessions or ~realistic panic attacks~ did. Low bar, but still. And it has a cool, unique abstracted model! God, I wish the show had cool, unique abstracted models.
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Correct! Anti-Norn was a truly infamous user in the Creatures community. He would abuse norns until they started exhibiting behaviors that resembled "mental illness". Such as he would take norns and beat them when they tried to eat or drink, until they learned to avoid eating or drinking, and thereby starve to death. The game allows you to slap them for punishment or tickle them for reward. So he would just slap the shit out of them until they learned the behaviors he wanted.
He would upload these norns' files to his personal website and invite others to download them. There were other norn abusers but he was the most high profile, because he posted about what he was doing. He very successfully trolled the community and sparked a lot of early internet discussion about "ethics of treatment toward AI". Because these creatures were designed to be AS REAL AS POSSIBLE, they had simulated emotions and fears. So torturing a norn, actually does have features that resemble torturing a real life being; it suffers visibly in front of you. They make little whines of pain when there is pain chemical in their sim-brains, they cry out when you strike them, and if they become ill (yes the game simulates viruses too) they visibly become more lethargic. If you teach them English they can even cry out to you: "Me very scared, me very hurt." I just remembered he had an "alcoholic" norn that he rewarded for drinking alcohol so much she would chug until the chemical killed her.
The flip side to this is that many, many people downloaded Anti-Norn's abused norns to help them. People would post about how they did "therapy" on the abused norns, and taught them to overcome their learned fears, start eating/drinking again, etc. It was actually sort of sweet how very truly earnest these people were about "fixing abused norns". Many people acted exactly how people are acting in the face of LLM's; they truly experienced love for the pixels.
To tie it back into TADC: Is a simulation of real enough complexity basically the same as a living thing? The characters in the simulation are suffering, they are experiencing a simulation of fear and pain that really seems to be affecting them. Is it "real"? Should they be "rescued"? If you walked up to the TADC console, would it be ethical to unplug it? Would it be "killing them" or would it be freeing them and saving them? It's the only world they have to live in; can you stand by and watch them scamper around knowing that you are the only thing keeping them in there? And at the same time, can you stand knowing you are the only thing that separates them from a long empty darkness?
In Creatures 3/Docking Station, many players would set up a simulation called a "Wolfling Run" where you give the creatures a test. Can they survive to adulthood on their own, having everything provided for them? Can they exit a door and move towards the smell of food via their own instincts? Or will they starve in a cold box, consumed with pushing buttons aimlessly for simple dopamine zaps and hitting each other?
Would Pomni be deserving of virtual life?
Is it torture to do this to things that are only files?
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I think the issue with Jax's trauma is that it didn't have to be dark at all to land, so it doesn't register how dark it is.
Jax is just a petty conflicted guy with daddy/mommy issues, he already worked great as a toxic hypocrite with victim complex. Goose did NOT have to make Jax think he killed his own mom to give jax an excuse to push others away, then invent a frog to put more blood on his hands and traumatize him further. It's pointless.
This is like if Life Is Strange revealed that Chloe isn't a toxic bitch due to abandonment issues, but because she killed 3 people.
It also doesn't make sense narratively because Goose wants Jax to be this jerk who denies all accountability but in the end, it was the guilt for the one accident he never denied and became impossible to deal with (due to being stuck in the circus) that sent him to the downward spiral. Goose couldn't help but make him the biggest victim of all.
The mom didn't have to die and ribbit didn't need to exist. A good writer would have just used Ragatha instead of Ribbit and have jax break the friendship cause she reminds jax of his mom. Then find out Kinger is insane cause queenie abstracted and decide to push the others away and bully zooble/gangle so they don't get attached, but this accidentally leads to him not realizing kaufmo was going insane and blame himself for his abstraction. Suddendly everyone the whole cast is useful and jax is more realistically tragic and unlikable.
It's like goose couldn't trust himself to make self insert look #DARK and #TRAUMAtized enough so he made 3 different characters outside the main cast solely so Jax to feel guilty over "killing".
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By reading his Tumblr comments, I think that Goose does realize how Jax has barely, if any, redeeming qualities, besides being the "funny bunny". He even calls Jax a piece of shit umprompted. But to be honest this comes more as self loathing of his pre-trans self, represented by Jax, than an honest self reflection
I agree that making him push people away in a misguided attempt to protect them would had made him more likeable and sympathetic
But, of course, Goose refused to do, even that because in his mind, Jax can only be redeemed, not by accepting fault, or regret, but by wearing a head bow and a dress.
It would had been far smarter if they did it like you said. But, for worse, in canon it was the opposite. He pushes others away not to protect others, but to protect his ego, his fear of being vulnerable, and his "tragic" "secret" . He lived and died selfishly.
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One of the most frustrating parts of the show is Gooseworx's failure to explore or flesh out interesting concepts that he introduces, then immediately abandons without properly exploring them. The clearest examples of this are Jax, Gangle and Zooble.
Jax could've had an interesting character arc if Gooseworx had stuck with the idea that he was arguably the only character doing better in the Circus than in real life. As far as Jax knows, he was homeless and on the run from the law for potentially murdering his mom, and as long as he remained in the Circus, he'd never have to face the consequences of either. He's also the only member of the cast besides Caine and Kinger shown to be able to manipulate aspects of the Circus. He could have served as the primary antagonist for much of the series, with his fear of returning to real life driving him to manipulate the others and sabotage their attempts to find an exit.
Another aspect of Jax's character that feeds into this is that he lives in a constant state of denial. In Episode 6, he repeatedly tells Pomni that "none of this is real." It would be easy for him to dismiss the consequences of his actions in the Circus, such as Ribbit's and Kaufmo's abstractions, as "not real." This could have led to an existential crisis when it's revealed that there truly is no escape—that this simply is his reality, and that the consequences of his actions in the Circus are, or at least might as well be, real to him.
Gangle and Zooble both could've provided for some really interesting character development had they been properly explored.
In the fast food episode, and later confirmed in the finale, it's revealed that Gangle attempted suicide after suffering a mental breakdown. Despite this, the series does almost nothing with the revelation, which feels like a missed opportunity in a story where the only meaningful threat to the characters is Abstraction—an obvious allegory for suicide and the complete loss of self. Of everyone trapped in the Circus, Gangle is uniquely positioned to explore why someone reaches that point. Because she has already confronted the hopelessness that leads someone to give up, she occupies a perspective no other member of the cast can offer. Having experienced the level of despair and hopelessness that led her to attempt to end her life, she could have offered insight into the emotional process that drives characters to Abstract rather than simply treating it as something that happens off-screen.
The series also could have drawn a stronger connection between Gangle's past and her present. If she believed that she had already died in the real world and that her existence in the Circus was all that remained of her, it would explain both her fragile mental state and her struggle to find hope. Rather than simply making her another depressed character, this revelation could have forced the rest of the cast to confront uncomfortable questions about what the Circus really is and whether escaping it is even possible. It also would have reinforced one of the series' central themes: that escaping reality is impossible if you never address the pain that drove you to run from it in the first place.
Zooble and her discomfort with her new digital body could've been an effective way to explore how our physical bodies shape our sense of self and identity. Our appearance influences how we perceive ourselves, how others perceive us, and how we interact with the world. In a series where every character has lost their original body and awakened in an entirely artificial form, Zooble could have been used to explore the broader psychological and philosophical questions that come with losing one's physical continuity. How much of your identity survives when every physical characteristic changes overnight? How much of your personality would change alongside such a dramatic shift in your physical form?
Rather than centering Zooble's conflict primarily on gender identity, the series could've used it to explore the broader existential implications of losing one's original body.
This theme could have been explored most directly through Zooble's conversation with Caine in Episode 3. It could have explored the contrast between the two characters' perspectives on identity. Caine is an AI who has never possessed a physical body beyond the digital form he created for himself, while Zooble has only recently lost her original body. Their conversation could have examined how each understands themselves and the extent to which their physical forms shape their sense of identity.
Jax could've had an interesting character arc if Gooseworx had stuck with the idea that he was arguably the only character doing better in the Circus than in real life. As far as Jax knows, he was homeless and on the run from the law for potentially murdering his mom, and as long as he remained in the Circus, he'd never have to face the consequences of either. He's also the only member of the cast besides Caine and Kinger shown to be able to manipulate aspects of the Circus. He could have served as the primary antagonist for much of the series, with his fear of returning to real life driving him to manipulate the others and sabotage their attempts to find an exit.
Another aspect of Jax's character that feeds into this is that he lives in a constant state of denial. In Episode 6, he repeatedly tells Pomni that "none of this is real." It would be easy for him to dismiss the consequences of his actions in the Circus, such as Ribbit's and Kaufmo's abstractions, as "not real." This could have led to an existential crisis when it's revealed that there truly is no escape—that this simply is his reality, and that the consequences of his actions in the Circus are, or at least might as well be, real to him.
Gangle and Zooble both could've provided for some really interesting character development had they been properly explored.
In the fast food episode, and later confirmed in the finale, it's revealed that Gangle attempted suicide after suffering a mental breakdown. Despite this, the series does almost nothing with the revelation, which feels like a missed opportunity in a story where the only meaningful threat to the characters is Abstraction—an obvious allegory for suicide and the complete loss of self. Of everyone trapped in the Circus, Gangle is uniquely positioned to explore why someone reaches that point. Because she has already confronted the hopelessness that leads someone to give up, she occupies a perspective no other member of the cast can offer. Having experienced the level of despair and hopelessness that led her to attempt to end her life, she could have offered insight into the emotional process that drives characters to Abstract rather than simply treating it as something that happens off-screen.
The series also could have drawn a stronger connection between Gangle's past and her present. If she believed that she had already died in the real world and that her existence in the Circus was all that remained of her, it would explain both her fragile mental state and her struggle to find hope. Rather than simply making her another depressed character, this revelation could have forced the rest of the cast to confront uncomfortable questions about what the Circus really is and whether escaping it is even possible. It also would have reinforced one of the series' central themes: that escaping reality is impossible if you never address the pain that drove you to run from it in the first place.
Zooble and her discomfort with her new digital body could've been an effective way to explore how our physical bodies shape our sense of self and identity. Our appearance influences how we perceive ourselves, how others perceive us, and how we interact with the world. In a series where every character has lost their original body and awakened in an entirely artificial form, Zooble could have been used to explore the broader psychological and philosophical questions that come with losing one's physical continuity. How much of your identity survives when every physical characteristic changes overnight? How much of your personality would change alongside such a dramatic shift in your physical form?
Rather than centering Zooble's conflict primarily on gender identity, the series could've used it to explore the broader existential implications of losing one's original body.
This theme could have been explored most directly through Zooble's conversation with Caine in Episode 3. It could have explored the contrast between the two characters' perspectives on identity. Caine is an AI who has never possessed a physical body beyond the digital form he created for himself, while Zooble has only recently lost her original body. Their conversation could have examined how each understands themselves and the extent to which their physical forms shape their sense of identity.
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One of my favorite “written by Gooseworx” videos:
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Has anybody shared this yet? Its a supposed 12 year old tismo girls suicide attempt over Jax. Still a trip regardless of questionable authenticity. If it was real and either family files then this will be the third lawsuit that got dropped on Glitch this year (KEK WTF) and the second one related to TADC. Does anybody know of a site to check any legal/suit stuff against any given company? They probably won't announce this if it does happen.
>>"My brother is a lawyer. He said make a demand for 10 mil, but be happy and ready to accept 3 to 7 mil."
Imagine the internet meltdown if this goes through. Would you root for retarded christian moms or a greedy and perverted production company?
>>"My brother is a lawyer. He said make a demand for 10 mil, but be happy and ready to accept 3 to 7 mil."
Imagine the internet meltdown if this goes through. Would you root for retarded christian moms or a greedy and perverted production company?
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Pretty sure I've seen that video and I actually played the Creatures series back then and remember the sites. I even had my own shitty Creatures page.
We're talking about a geocities webring and a couple of perpetually dead-ass bulletin boards. The handful of posts that guy scraped together that have like two replies? That's pretty much the extent of it.
Creatures were basically just irritating tamagochis that did random shit and never listened to you, and any attachment people had was 98% them roleplaying themselves into it. Most people just fucked around with it as a toy and the mild-ass trolling was an extension of that. It was clearly a joke, nobody took it seriously, and it barely got a reaction from what I ever saw.