The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

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You're wrong. Yah, showing up when called is what an average dog does. That doesn't mean it's "dependable". Asking Caine to solve your problem is basically the same as a monkey's paw wish. He's shown to be just as unstable as the rest of the case until the finale. Which you can't blame him for, he's not human and is trying to understand what 'being' human is through the lense of his cast of dysfunctional retards. In Zoobil's case, she's a mentally ill enby and no body that he would have constructed for her would have made her happy. Because her unhappiness is caused by her mental image of herself and inability to accept who/what she is. That's actually a great example of Caine's inhumanity, he has no concept of gender specials or mental illness. So despite his best attempt to make her happy, he fails because he cannot understand the root cause of her unhappiness.

Me calling Caine undependable wasn't even a diss or throwing shade. He just is by his very nature of being a machine. In that sense he's the same as Jax, just as likely to hinder as he is to help.

He's dependable but he doesn't like any ideas that aren't his own.

Also once again the last minute retcon of it all being brain scans means there's no actual humans involved. which means zooble never had a body dysmorphia issue with IRL body and her entire thing is tied to the mismatched parts. Zooble randomly getting over being unhappy about all the mismatched parts ZOOBLE FUCKING PUT ON HERSELF when previously it was a point of contention is very very fucking retarded all the messages lose meaning with the brain scan ai shit.
 
The entire show could be summed up as "The Amazing Daddy issues circus". The most prevalent thing I noticed was the lack of any strong/dependable male characters. And how many of the interpersonal issues the cast has would be alleviated if they could talk to someone who was direct and assertive.
Yeah, thats another issue. I feel like any semi capable male character would have figured out the SOMA twist within the first week of being in the circus and either forced the others to confront it or at least pushed the gang in that direction. It’s the only option that makes sense mechanically, and it is confirmed in the finale that they all secretly suspected it. The alternative is the (extremely retarded) scenario proposed by Abel in which an American tech company is kidnapping everyone who enters an abandoned building for multiple decades. The premise of the show hinges on everyone being a non-confrontational faggot about obvious realities.
 
If Cooper weren't a terrible writer, he could've gotten really philosophical with the setting of TADC. He could've written how each character deals with being stuck in a digital world, exploring ideas such as existentialism, absurdism, nihilism, or whether one should accept being trapped there or deny it and try to escape. There are countless philosophical questions he could've tackled:

"How does one tell whether he/she is a real person hooked to a machine or just a character based on someone's brain scan if the experience is the same? The real world also could be a simulation, and you wouldn't be able to tell! If you're based on someone's brain scan, are you two the same person or different people?"

"How is the absurdity of digital existence any different from the absurdity of the real world? Does it matter where you are if both of them are equally meaningless?"

"What happens if they're just programs and the computer shut down? If the simulation is saved before the computer powers off, everything could just continue without anyone noticing it, right? Could a shutdown be considered a form of death? How many times could they have died before? As long as there's a save file, could they be considered immortal? What if we started the simulation from the same save file multiple times? Would everything happen the same way, or would things happen differently? What would happen if we were able to do this in the real world?"




But Cooper is a terrible writer. The reason why isn't because he's inexperienced, but because he lacks the necessary intellect one would need for competent writing. He should've just stayed making non-serious animations, as things like character-driven dramas, proper world-building, and deep philosophical themes require skills he clearly lacks and is unlikely to acquire.
 
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He's dependable but he doesn't like any ideas that aren't his own.
>Doesn't like doing what he's told
>Dependable
>Ask for a glass of water
>Gets a vodka soda with a garnish of live bees

Ok, I'll relent. He's not undependable, he's unpredictable. Which in terms of the cast having daddy issues, and constantly seeking validation, is just as bad. I'd call him for a party but not for a barn raising.
Yeah, thats another issue. I feel like any semi capable male character would have figured out the SOMA twist within the first week of being in the circus and either forced the others to confront it or at least pushed the gang in that direction.
It doesn't take a man even. My main issue and reason for calling the show "daddy issues incarnate" is the premise only works if everyone involved is not assertive, direct, dependable and confident. Typically some of the cast will at least exhibit one of these traits so that they can play off each other. You know, like actual people without fatherly issues.
The show claims to be an existential horror show but it's really a stereotypical "my and my friends work our minimum wage jobs" indie show.
It's a childish "lesson of the week" trope that most cartoons play into and it would work if the show stuck to keeping that ever present sense of horror/dread. Instead it's a group therapy session for the writers and cast with a really neat setting.
 
with a garnish of live bees
He'd never do this to those poor bees he loves bees


If Cooper weren't a terrible writer, he could've gotten really philosophical with the setting of TADC. He could've written how each character deals with being stuck in a digital world, exploring ideas such as existentialism, absurdism, nihilism, or whether one should accept being trapped there or deny it and try to escape. There are countless philosophical questions he could've tackled:

"How does one tell whether they're a real person hooked to a machine or just a character based on someone's brain scan if the experience is the same? The real world also could be a simulation, and you wouldn't be able to tell! If you're based on someone's brain scan, are you two the same person or different people?"

"How is the absurdity of digital existence any different from the absurdity of the real world? Does it matter where you are if both of them are equally meaningless?"

"What happens if they're just programs and the computer shut down? If the simulation is saved before the computer powers off, everything could just continue without anyone noticing it, right? Could a shutdown be considered a form of death? How many times could they have died before? As long as there's a save file, could they be considered immortal? What if we started the simulation from the same save file multiple times? Would everything happen the same way, or would things happen differently? What would happen if we were able to do this in the real world?"




But Cooper is a terrible writer. The reason why isn't because he's inexperienced, but because he lacks the necessary intellect one would need for competent writing. He should've just stayed making non-serious animations, as things like character-driven dramas, proper world-building, and deep philosophical themes require skills he clearly lacks and is unlikely to acquire.
A lot of issues could be solved if they didn't pull the brain scan shit last minute to explain away everything.

Also the finale would have vastly have been improved with Cleveland Brown replacing pomni if you think about it.
 
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Oh, fuck you. This is legitimately starting to make me MATI. Piece of shit took a song from one of the greatest musicians of our time about his daughter and turned it into his fetish fuel.
These fuckers really just laugh at how they corrupt everything good into a twisted perversion of itself.

But Cooper is a terrible writer. The reason why isn't because he's inexperienced, but because he lacks the necessary intellect one would need for competent writing

In the end it all boils down the same issue really. Trangenderism is at the end of the day a form of narcissism.

I will admit, it was very naive of me to expect that Cooper wouldn’t eventually make it all about him, which he did.

For me just the fact that he knows for a fact the song is about fatherly love, and he wants to twist it into celebrating himself, trough his self insert just makes it worse.

As for his writting, besides his lack of inteligence, if you read the pitch his pitch to Glitch he did intend to make a horror show at first. But his mental illness won in the end, so to him all that mattered was Jax, and his nothing burger “trauma”, because he is Jax.
 
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What happens if they're just programs and the computer shut down? If the simulation is saved before the computer powers off, everything could just continue without anyone noticing it, right? Could a shutdown be considered a form of death? How many times could they have died before? As long as there's a save file, could they be considered immortal? What if we started the simulation from the same save file multiple times? Would everything happen the same way, or would things happen differently? What would happen if we were able to do this in the real world?"
I'm gonna show my age and gayness by referencing a 20 year old fanfic for a series basically nobody but NERD-ASS NERDS PLAYED:

The Creatures series is a life-sim made to be as genuinely realistic as possible, as in it simulates chemicals interacting inside the characters' bodies and shit. You raise cute little critters called Norns and teach them English from a pre-programmed dictionary.

Someone made a story about one of them "becoming sentient" and it's actually quite thoughtful. It goes into some of these questions: what does it 'feel like' to be a computer program, when the computer shuts down, etc. To be 'upgraded'. Cloning via file copying, stuff like that.


It's a cute little story, has a plot that only Creaturesfags would care about. It's not horror focused at all, but it goes into more thought about "what if alive in computer" than TADC bothers to.
 
Abstraction is a poorly defined concept that, post hoc, got retconned into being an analogy for suicide because trannies. But even that retcon is extremely poor and goonworks should shut up and take a note from the media he stole the idea from. A better analogy would be something similar to "hollowing" from dark souls. The mind and soul both being slowly eroded until the "construct" losses it's humanity and succumbes. Remember, these people aren't 'human'. They're brain scans, data, simulacras trying to be human
I think abstraction is more analogous to losing the will to live or a despair-induced madness which while being prerequisites to suicide in the real world just leads to it being kind of a confused metaphor in TADC.

Also, the way that abstraction is treated leads itself into TRA logic quite snugly to the point where I think it’s intentional. Trannies argue that the disproportionate rate of suicidal ideation in their demographic (~41%) is evidence that transphobia ‘heckin kills guyz and so we all need to be nice to trannies so that they don’t ack themselves. Likewise, in TADC the only real threat to one’s mortality comes from other people being unsupportive of you, so if you aren’t providing that affirmation and being a ‘heckin good person that person might ACKstract and then BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS!!1!
 
I think abstraction is more analogous to losing the will to live or a despair-induced madness
It's a death of self.

If you've never been so psychologically impacted by an event in your life that you now look back and see that the person who existed before that event, is now dead. You can't really understand "Abstraction" (or "turning into a Witch" from Madoka which it mindlessly stylelessly apes) as a concept.

Losing your old self can definitely make you want to die. But it's not a physical death, just a profound mental transformation, that in itself can be quite distressing.

It's that "I used to know what happiness felt like". It's that "I used to wake up in the mornings happy to see someone". It's that "I will never let myself be hurt like that again (and never achieve the rewards of vulnerability either)".

It's that Patrick Bateman "My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; my punishment continues to elude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself."
 
In the end it all boils down the same issue really. Trangenderism is at the end of the day a form of narcissism.

I will admit, it was very naive of me to expect that Cooper wouldn’t eventually make it all about him, which he did.

For me just the fact that he knows for a fact the song is about fatherly love, and he wants to twist it into celebrating himself, trough his self insert just makes it worse.

As for his writting, besides his lack of inteligence, if you read the pitch his pitch to Glitch he did intend to make a horror show at first. But his mental illness won in the end, so to him all that mattered was Jax, and his nothing burger “trauma”, because he is Jax.

The scary part is that Goose doesn't even think of the implications, it just sounded great on his head. If the song reprensents "the birth of a baby girl WHICH IS JAX" then what does that say about Jax at that moment?

In order for jax to come to the realization that he is a woman he had to

-drive others to suicide
-kill himself
-have ghost says he regrets it so very much
-Isn't she loooooovelyyyyy?
-Jax is a reborn as a "babygirl"
-Became violent mindless animal
-Your friends deadname and misgender you for eternity

Is goose aware of what he has done? W-why is the coming out allegory combined with the intended suicide allegory and the accidental turning into monster allegory??
 
or "turning into a Witch" from Madoka which it mindlessly stylelessly apes
Except in Madoka, Magical Girls' Soul Gems are constantly running low and require continuous purification to stop from becoming Grief Seeds, and all of this is very intentionally designed by the Incubators. In TADC, there is no ticking clock. People apparently just one day stop giving enough of a shit and go pop.
 
The Creatures series is a life-sim made to be as genuinely realistic as possible, as in it simulates chemicals interacting inside the characters' bodies and shit. You raise cute little critters called Norns and teach them English from a pre-programmed dictionary.
I heard about this game from a YouTube video about a guy called AntiNorn who tortured these Norns and uploaded their data afterwards on his website. Apparently, the guy started doing this after he saw how bad the community reacted to a troll in an email chain. As expected, he quickly became a pariah in the Creatures community and became the target of harassment and death threats. This happened almost 30 years ago. Online communities were just as bad back then, it seems.

(Apparently, this guy just plagiarized a Reddit post, but I cannot be bothered to fact-check this claim.)


The one thing TADC made me realize is that being an anti-fan of something can be surprisingly fun. I enjoy dissecting this show, analyzing its flaws, sharing my findings and opinions, and reading others' here. I don't even hate the show at all; I just like it for the wrong reasons. TADC is not a good cartoon, but it still manages to be fascinating to me because of its flaws.

Hell, this would describe my relationship with every other relevant Glitch Productions show (nobody can convince me to watch their stuff made before MD; there's no way). All of them are built upon interesting concepts, but seeing how and why they have failed/will fail to live up to their potential is what keeps me interested in them. It's going to be interesting to watch their newer cartoons and see whether they manage to fix at least some of the glaring flaws seen in the pilots or continue the trend of somehow making things even worse afterwards.

(I'm going to blame this behavior of mine on the literature classes I had in high school. The amount of literary analyses I had to do probably rewired my autistic brain. I don't even like literature; I exclusively read non-fiction nowadays.)
 
Gooseworx and Vizziepop need to collaborate on a show together now where it out cringes the shows they made individually. I need more edgelord characters to hate on
 
The more I think about it the more underwhelming the "secret trauma" Jax had is.

He wasn't abused like Ragatha, nor he had an accident like Gangle. He was just a middle class guy that felt a little insecure ( who hasn't?) , was well fed, had a rooftop, and a mom, that by his own admission, loved and hugged him.

So his whole trauma is just that his mom laughed at him once ( and then quickly regretted it).

Even the whole "Jax thinks he might had murdered his mom" is exaggerated as a "trauma" to make it seem it darker than it really was. He just pushed her as a tantrum. This makes him a cowardly abusive asshole sure, but it's not the dark backstory Goose thinks it is .

Him living as bum, was by choice because he didn't care to check if his mom was ok. I have known cab drivers with darker backstories, and they are chill hard working people.

Jax's secret backstory doesn't come as dark or sad, but the life of a pampered autistic middle class guy that folded the instant life threw at him a mild hardship.
 
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Hell, this would describe my relationship with every other relevant Glitch Productions show (nobody can convince me to watch their stuff made before MD; there's no way)

Don't worry, you're not missing anything.

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Come to think of it, I'm in a similar situation as you. As a veteran of SMG4's Golden Age (mid-2013 to early-2017), I think the only reason I keep tabs on Glitch because of its association with SMG4.

Classic SMG4 is a very special show to me, and watching SMG4 go into a horrible decline over the years, turning into something unrecognizable, not even a shadow of its former self, was painful and heartbreaking. Even so, I was curious about what was happening with Glitch. And to be honest, I don't like most of their shows. Still, I remain curious and find myself looking into them.

It’s more fun to discuss these shows than to watch them. If not for that, I probably wouldn’t have bothered looking into Cooper and Liam’s backgrounds before they joined Glitch.
 
He was just a middle class guy that felt a little insecure ( who hasn't?) , was well fed, had a rooftop, and a mom, that by his own admission, loved and hugged him.
“You know, I never had much as a kid. Just loving parents, stability, and a mansion... And a thriving baked goods enterprise for me to inherit. Useless crap like that.”
 
On the subject of Caine, existentialism, cosmic horror, and troons, here's something I've been thinking about for awhile.

If you hang out in any nerdy online space these days, you might notice that transwomen seem to love Lovecraft. It's true. Try hanging out in any tranny space and just wait for the term "cosmic horror" to be completely misused, you won't have to wait long. Transgender people tend to be fond of stories in which eldritch gods/cosmic horrors/infinitely powerful monsters are present, but subjugated by liberal and leftist principles.

You can find this in games like Mass Effect or stories like the webserial Worm, both of which have disproportionately significant transgender audiences. In these stories, the unknown outer thing is presented initially as a horror, but is eventually understood and mastered by the rationalist, utilitarian, secular humanist, progressive protagonist. Often times, it involves the protagonist learning the techniques and powers of the eldritch abomination and using it against them. It serves as the ultimate liberal power fantasy, to know and master the unknowable and unmasterable. In this sense, the progressive transwoman's engagement with the Lovecraftian genre is fundamentally dishonest as it rejects the "eldritch" premise in lieu of the domination of nature. One could even say that transwomen have the same relationship with eldritch horror that they do with femininity.

In The Amazing Digital Circus, Caine is initially presented to the audience as a somewhat well written AI. Caine is not purely evil, but he operates along inhuman, machine like principles. Entertaining humans is what he is programmed to do, and so he is going to do it, even when it is unnecessary. Furthermore, he defines "entertainment" along inhuman lines. He cares not for the true comfort or joy of the denizens of the circus, he just wants to fulfill his utility function. He is not human. This is all undone in the final episode, after he is defeated. Once he loses his power, he is forced to grapple with reality in order to come terms with why he lost. In Gooseworx vision, this leads to him accessing the internet, and adopting human-like values of honor and respect. He takes accountability, gives up his power, and apologizes to the humans. The mechanical monster says trans rights.

tl;dr: Gooseworx is a retarded narcissist who made his robot villain get a forced redemption arc because, in the mind of the average tranny, everyone (even Cthulhu) is just one epiphany from being a hecking good person.
 
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