The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

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On the JQ (Jax Question), my personal schizoid theory is that Cooper wanted to explicitly confirm him as a troon but chickened out at the last minute under pressure from some outside force (likely the higher-ups at Glitch who didn't see his "coming out" story as appropriate for normie kids seeing it in theaters with their parents), so now we're only left with implications and vague hints. I say this because the part where the group stalks their real-life counterparts on Instagram felt like the perfect time to do it. They save what became of the human Jax for last after this long and dramatic pause, and sure, you could say that's because the circus Jax is dead while everyone else is still alive, but then they reveal that he's just living the same boring life as the others and, you know, still a dude. They must have desperately wanted to tell us that Leeroy is now Leah May, yassss queen slaaaaaaaay, but alas, they missed their shot.

It's funny because for better or worse this show feels like it stays pretty true to Cooper's "vision", but then some meddling from the execs undercut some big reveals about his self-insert. He may have been the writer, but ultimately Kevin Lerdwichagul is the one who's running the show (sorrynotsorry). Honestly, I wish there were more people to tell him no–probably the least controversial thing you can say about TADC is that it really, really would have benefitted from a script doctor or two to keep Cooper's autism in check. Maybe it wasn't in the budget or whatever, but dammit, it would have helped. As it is now, it had the right ingredients and honestly not even the wrong chef, but it spent way, way too little time in the oven. Not a dumpster fire or anything, but not great. 6/10

Hey Bitches it's me dijo:
The corniest faggots alive
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The Great One dijo:
As funny as it is, it is truly cornball to cosplay as hazmat people.
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Oh yeah, you just reminded me of Jax's hatred of corn. Where were they even planning to go with that plot point?
 
Larry Trainor dijo:
Was there ever any real reason that the characters ended up looking the way they do? Pomni being a jester or Gangle being a ribbon? It doesn't really suit them in any way. I can't see how their brain scans could've influenced their designs at all. I get Zoobles' dumb quirk is the gay pink triangle, but other than that, why were they given physical traits that have nothing to do with them?

Someone earlier in this thread said the show should've been called "The amazing Digital Toybox," and I can't stop thinking that's an infinitely better name as well. Only two characters look like they belong in a Circus. This whole thing screams of a tot show that would play after Shimmer & Shine.
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Goose probably avoided using that name to avoid being too on the nose with the fact that the show is heavily based on the Twilight Zone episode where the twist is everyone is a toy in a bucket.
 
The more I think on it the more it annoys me at how little agency the characters have in the show and the episode where Able helps them escape best highlights this perfectly. There is zero reason for that character to exist as the cast is more than equipped to come up with that plan on their own:

Pomni being the urban explorer could stumble across the hidden admin area and the door to Caine's office

Kinger should be the one loredumping, getting them admin keys, and finds the two buttons odd.

Zooble should be the one with the best understanding of Caine's personality, she seems to have spent a lot of time with Caine as seen in the therapy scenes episode 2 and could be good at reading people which leans into her background as a bartender. She should be the one to suggest the Chinese room to talk about the plan because she suspects Caine will not break his gimmicks and knows about his blue screens which will be handy for getting the key.

Ragatha and Jax pair up to get the key from Caine, Ragatha being the people pleaser should be the one doing most of the talking and pretending to be interested to get him distracted while Jax physically gets the key from him.

Finally Gangle can... I guess draw diagrams and maybe use her ribbon body as a rope to climb up to hot air balloon.

The twist that the escape plan was an adventure Caine orchestrated would be much more impactful and surprising if the plan was solely created BY the characters which allows them to make uses of the whole cast to showcase their strengths and also twists the knife that Caine is miles ahead of whatever plan they can come up with. Having a literal NPC come out of nowhere to force them to participate in the escape plan while wiping their ass the whole way through isn't clever and doesn't make the twist fulfilling at all. The shady new guy handing them an escape on a golden plater was too good to be true, shocker.
 
FILTH Tourist dijo:
The more I think on it the more it annoys me at how little agency the characters have in the show and the episode where Able helps them escape best highlights this perfectly. There is zero reason for that character to exist as the cast is more than equipped to come up with that plan on their own:

Pomni being the urban explorer could stumble across the hidden admin area and the door to Caine's office

Kinger should be the one loredumping, getting them admin keys, and finds the two buttons odd.

Zooble should be the one with the best understanding of Caine's personality, she seems to have spent a lot of time with Caine as seen in the therapy scenes episode 2 and could be good at reading people which leans into her background as a bartender. She should be the one to suggest the Chinese room to talk about the plan because she suspects Caine will not break his gimmicks and knows about his blue screens which will be handy for getting the key.

Ragatha and Jax pair up to get the key from Caine, Ragatha being the people pleaser should be the one doing most of the talking and pretending to be interested to get him distracted while Jax physically gets the key from him.

Finally Gangle can... I guess draw diagrams and maybe use her ribbon body as a rope to climb up to hot air balloon.

The twist that the escape plan was an adventure Caine orchestrated would be much more impactful and surprising if the plan was solely created BY the characters which allows them to make uses of the whole cast to showcase their strengths and also twists the knife that Caine is miles ahead of whatever plan they can come up with. Having a literal NPC come out of nowhere to force them to participate in the escape plan while wiping their ass the whole way through isn't clever and doesn't make the twist fulfilling at all. The shady new guy handing them an escape on a golden plater was too good to be true, shocker.
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the abel episode also kinda was the first time the kinger dark thing went from just a thing he said once about being calmer in the dark cause it takes him back to his last happy memory with his wife into a "oh no he needs to be in the dark to be not an idiot!" which took agency from kinger away and impact away from that earlier moment that's whole deal was " the wacky weirdo guy that's been here longer than anyone else is actually a pretty normal and nice guy that's just been through some shit".

It's really weird because his slightly less out there behavior from episode 3 carries over into the other ones up to that one writing wise till they decide to introduce the light thing as an actual sanity meter gimmick out of nowhere just so he doesn't tell them abel is lying.
 
The Lawgiver dijo:
yes I know I already compared this thing to DHMIS and pointed out the inspirations... But what I didn't point out is them sharing a similar obnoxious fanbase. wow!
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Weird. Maybe it's because I avoided Tumblr and Twitter during its runs, but the DHMIS fans were nowhere near as bad as the TADC fans. They didn't flip out over the Warren the Eagle episode because it mocked everything about woke leftists and sjws without getting political at all. A lot of the people at the local cons I used to go to had no idea what DHMIS was.
 
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FILTH Tourist dijo:
The more I think on it the more it annoys me at how little agency the characters have in the show and the episode where Able helps them escape best highlights this perfectly. There is zero reason for that character to exist as the cast is more than equipped to come up with that plan on their own:

Pomni being the urban explorer could stumble across the hidden admin area and the door to Caine's office

Kinger should be the one loredumping, getting them admin keys, and finds the two buttons odd.

Zooble should be the one with the best understanding of Caine's personality, she seems to have spent a lot of time with Caine as seen in the therapy scenes episode 2 and could be good at reading people which leans into her background as a bartender. She should be the one to suggest the Chinese room to talk about the plan because she suspects Caine will not break his gimmicks and knows about his blue screens which will be handy for getting the key.

Ragatha and Jax pair up to get the key from Caine, Ragatha being the people pleaser should be the one doing most of the talking and pretending to be interested to get him distracted while Jax physically gets the key from him.

Finally Gangle can... I guess draw diagrams and maybe use her ribbon body as a rope to climb up to hot air balloon.

The twist that the escape plan was an adventure Caine orchestrated would be much more impactful and surprising if the plan was solely created BY the characters which allows them to make uses of the whole cast to showcase their strengths and also twists the knife that Caine is miles ahead of whatever plan they can come up with. Having a literal NPC come out of nowhere to force them to participate in the escape plan while wiping their ass the whole way through isn't clever and doesn't make the twist fulfilling at all. The shady new guy handing them an escape on a golden plater was too good to be true, shocker.
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"Abel" has to exist because this wasn't about escaping, it was about shitting on theorists. Just like Kinger had to never leave his fort or else the plot dies.

The cast has agency, goose simply had them never do anything for 9 episodes. Hell, pomni gives up escaping after one day. Zooble actively walked out of episode 2 and 3. Kinger is excluded from episode 4 cause he already got his episode. Goose is incapable of justifying it's main cast existing.

Every episode conflict exists because Caine randomly creates the perfect scenario to have the cast randomly end up in a situation that enables some kind of therapy talk or trauma dumping. Or an excuse to give them a new costume for merch.

It's part of why i find funny how people want an (inevitable) official TADC game to be a point and click adventure game cause like, wtf would the cast even do? I mean the whole cast here. No one gives a fuck about completing Caine's quest or escaping.

This isn't like the i have no mouth game where the cast has been stuck for 109 years and yet they're lock in hard during the game because AM creates the perfect challenge that forces them to face their own flaws and traumas.

Somehow even powerscalers got involved and make fun of how useless the TADC would be against AM while the IHNMAIMS cast would've beaten Caine on day 1.

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Watched this show thanks to PPP and Josh Suffahing through it. There is no plot. The show opens with Pomni trying to escape and quickly realizing she is stuck in the circus, and they spin their wheels until suddenly in episode seven they immediately start talking as if they've been trying to escape the whole time. Despite the fact that when Pomni first starts panicking about being stuck, the rest of the group just shrug off the thought of escaping. Caine torturing them at the end of the series should have happened in the first episode as a way to mentally break the group to his will. How is this popular? It's just a bunch of random shit happening with no stakes whatsoever. I don't even see a reason as to why being trapped in the circus would be a bad thing. Especially when it's revealed that none of the characters are actually real in the first place.

The series has a tonality problem as well. I can't tell if this show is meant for kids or adults. Because a lot of the ''emotional'' scenes feel like something out a children's show and not a lesson worth teaching someone who is in their twenties.
 
I just watched the finale, after seeing the stuff in the leak. If anyone cares to remember, I originally theorized they were AI and weren't gonna escape, hell, I was close. I expected that kinda reveal to be a last 20 mins type deal to show them picking up the pieces of this revelation. But instead, they revealed like 1 minute into the damn thing that they weren't gonna escape with the "Brain scans" words. Then the rest of the movie is pointless meandering into Jax's backstory.

I'm left thinking, there's so much unresolved stuff that they didn't bother explaining.
- What the hell was with Kinger and darkness? I think the implication was that he was semi-abstracted, but the show never bothered to take the time to explain it.
- There was no explanation of why Caine was slow trickling characters into the circus. I remember the original theory was Pomni was sucked in when Kaufmo abstracted, but that got proven false. Not a single line explaining this.
- There was no explination of the brain scans either of why people did it. Could've been a simple as Caine going "Oh, the company paid people a bit of money to scan their brains, trying to make a super AI combining all the human brain power, but that failed!"
- Caine coming back was contrived bullshit that wasn't explained. The blue orb thing wasn't explained either. He says that his powers got neutered but he seemed to have all the same god powers!
- Half the cast is fucking useless. I'm still waiting for Ragatha to do something in this show. Oh wait, the show's over.

Left disappointed. The show started off looking to be some Stanley Parable or Garry's Mod dark horror type plot, and turned into therapy for the creator's OC do not steal.
 
Fishnumm dijo:
i finished watching the pilot 3 hours ago and i barely remember anything
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It's funny because the pilot is far and away the most interesting and well rounded episode of the series. You could watch just the pilot and nothing else and come away with a much better experience than watching the entire show.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer dijo:
It's funny because the pilot is far and away the most interesting and well rounded episode of the series. You could watch just the pilot and nothing else and come away with a much better experience than watching the entire show.
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thats sad because its really boring i laughed once and thats it
 
Puck Clown dijo:
At the time, I made a joke about how IHNMAIMS stuck out like a sore thumb among the inspirations, but in reality, it fit right in. Just like how all these things inspired stuff like visuals, environments, and designs that were ultimately just a backdrop to the actual show, IHNMAIMS was just a backdrop for the story Goose wanted to tell. Which is fine on its own, but when people keep emphasizing it as the MAIN inspiration, keep comparing Digital Circus with it, and constantly point to this inspiration as to the reason why Digital Circus is ACTUALLY a DARK and DEEP PSYCHOLOGICAL HORROR show for ADULTS, it doesn't feel right
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I have a theory regarding Cooper's IHNMAIMS inspiration.

We all know that Cooper is incredibly pretentious, right? He desperately wants his silly clown show to be taken seriously and hailed as a work of Great American Fiction for centuries to come.

Despite all his pretentiousness and his desire to create High Art, Cooper strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't read many books. He definitely plays a lot of vidya and watches many cartoons [as well as the occasional live-action slop shows/movies]. But books? Those are boring adult things that require a lot of effort and attention to get through, they don't have bright colors and cool music to keep you stimulated. This is especially true for any literature made before the 1990's, or before the 20th century for that matter.

But WHAT IF...there was a sci-fi novel which is incredibly short, easily accessible, and is also considered one of the greatest works of American Sci-Fi literature?

I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream is only around 14-16 pages long [depending on the edition], you can easily find a free PDF of it online [such as this one right here], and it's written in relatively plain prose - at most, you only need high-school level reading comprehension and a basic understanding of metaphor to understand it [ie, when Ted says that "the heavenly archangels circled several times and dropped Ellen and Nimdok's mangled bodies", he doesn't mean it literally].

Even the most ADHD-ridden, dopamine overdosed Zoomers could probably read IHNMAIMS in just half an hour if they really focus. It's a perfect fit for someone like Cooper.

My Theory

Cooper read the PDF of the book one night [which came pre-packaged with the video game]. He really liked it and made it his entire personality. He thinks it's the only book he ever needs to read in order to be cultured. Kind of like a chav who thinks he's hot shit cause he found a gold watch lying on the sidewalk.

Since Cooper hasn't read any other books, he lacks the rich library of inspiration that a genuinely well-read person would have. He's so reliant on leaching off of IHNMAIMS because it's the ONLY source of literary inspiration he has.

In my opinion, this is the reason why TADC simultaneously feels derivative of IHNMAIMS while also having very little to do with it. He basically just attached the IHNMAIMS name to his cartoon as a way to indirectly give it more prestige, to make it seem more sophisticated than it actually is. But at the same time, he has an incredibly shallow understanding of the book and what makes it so good.
 
LucasSomething dijo:
Somehow even powerscalers got involved and make fun of how useless the TADC would be against AM while the IHNMAIMS cast would've beaten Caine on day 1.
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I think the TADC cast would kill AM from sheer boredom. AM likes fucking with the humans because they at least try even when it is hopeless so he can have fun knocking them back down,
Canis Mechanicus dijo:
Cooper read the PDF of the book one night [which came pre-packaged with the video game]. He really liked it and made it his entire personality. He thinks it's the only book he ever needs to read in order to be cultured. Kind of like a chav who thinks he's hot shit cause he found a gold watch lying on the sidewalk.

Since Cooper hasn't read any other books, he lacks the rich library of inspiration that a genuinely well-read person would have. He's so reliant on leaching off of IHNMAIMS because it's the ONLY source of literary inspiration he has.

In my opinion, this is the reason why TADC simultaneously feels derivative of IHNMAIMS while also having very little to do with it. He basically just attached the IHNMAIMS name to his cartoon as a way to indirectly give it more prestige, to make it seem more sophisticated than it actually is. But at the same time, he has an incredibly shallow understanding of the book and what makes it so good.
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I think the main lesson from IHNMAIMS Goose walked away with was that he can just hammer shit out in a single night and call it good, no need for a second pass though.
 
Saw that there was finally a torrent of the leak and decided to rip the bandage off. And oh boy, I'm glad I didn't give Nooseworx a dime. Here's the scatershot of takes, most of them ⏰ but still.

The fact that Ribbit immediately jumped to the "Jax dreams about ripping his wiener off" conclusion instead of "he's faggot (at the worst case scenario)", speaks something about Cooper, not sure what exactly, but it speaks, loudly.

It was haram to even show a glimpse of IRL's faces.

I took abrupt Jax's abstraction for a quirk of a leak, i thought it was not a full version.

Cane was just teleported into the void at the end of EP8, what a fucking waste of a moment.

Bruh.
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Chilson dijo:
Oh my god, it really is retarded SOMA
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The SOMA was obvious from the first episodes, and Cooper did not bothered to put any red herrings to doubt SOMA.


You can kill a man.... But not the idea.
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Cucktry Roads dijo:
I'm left thinking, there's so much unresolved stuff that they didn't bother explaining.
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-I think the intention was that Kinger gains his sanity back since he's reminded of the last moments he had with his abstracted wife, which happened in the dark. But then there's that weird moment where it was implied Caine could control whether he's sane or not in Episode 7, due to how he didn't regain his sanity in the dark inside Caine's little red/blue button room?
-I guess there was some implication that Scratch did the brain scan shit in an attempt to understand his brain tumor? Maybe? Or I'm finding an explanation after the fact.
-Yeah, I got nothing for the other three.


Testicular Blister dijo:
did anyone else feel like the last episode was disjointed and horribly paced?
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The whole series felt like it needed another session in other to breathe. We should've had Season 1 as a way to introduce everyone, then Season 2 can explain all of the lore shit they added in order to keep Gay Theory entertained.
Would've given them more time to milk the show too with more merch too. Not sure why they didn't try to at least set up character dynamics a little bit more.
 
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