The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

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Fishnumm dijo:
you can do good therapy talk too i.e the sopranos but the problem is that tony soprano is a deeply intresting character and clussy and friends arent
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The Sopranos can afford it because they can focus on one character and slowburn it due to being a longer show. TADC needs to be more utilitarian with it like in Monk, character expresses thoughts and feeling outloud which often leads an epiphany on how to solve a problem they have or reveal actual useful information to the audiance and characters. Episode 3 with Kinger's affinity for darkness and hints he knows what up is a good example. The bar scene where they just share pointless trivia (which doesn't matter because their backgrounds have zero impact on them as characters or the story except Gangle's fastfood job but we already learned about it in her episode so the bar scene is still pointless).
 
FILTH Tourist dijo:
The Sopranos can afford it because they can focus on one character and slowburn it due to being a longer show. TADC needs to be more utilitarian with it like in Monk, character expresses thoughts and feeling outloud which often leads an epiphany on how to solve a problem they have or reveal actual useful information to the audiance and characters. Episode 3 with Kinger's affinity for darkness and hints he knows what up is a good example. The bar scene where they just share pointless trivia (which doesn't matter because their backgrounds have zero impact on them as characters or the story except Gangle's fastfood job but we already learned about it in her episode so the bar scene is still pointless).
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fair enough sopranos has far more time to develop tony

but a counter point is that even the pilot therapy scenes are better than anything tadc does when tony isnt developed as a character. doesnt help that its infinity better written
 
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I don't think it's real. It's completely empty for one. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a voice over.

No energy, but also no reaction.
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Everyone that's seen the movie was already spoiled on it when the leak came out but decided to be performatively good goys as some would say. The people nott rying to spin shit into some greater secret narrative have been chuckling about how dogshit the end is since the leak first hit it seems.
 
Was Jax’s mom even that bad? She actually comes to me as one of the most responsible adults in the show to me.

By Jax’s own admission she took care of him, fed him and gave him a home, while his father ran away and abandoned him . She was a single mom that took care of her home. Just that fact already makes her more mature and admirable than most of the cast.

Her two big sins acording to Jax was calling him out when he was acting “not manly enough”, and laughing about his “secret confession.”

If it was a trans confession, she was actually the only one that didn’t cuddle him and affirmed his delusions. I sincerely doubt the same woman that worked her ass off to give him a home, and food meant any long term harm to him.

Worst you could say about her is that she lacked tact but meant well and just wanted hers son to grow to be a healthy adult male. Even Ragatha’s own evil mother sounds far worse than Jax’s.
 
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Fishnumm dijo:
fair enough sopranos has far more time to develop tony

but a counter point is that even the pilot therapy scenes are better than anything tadc does when tony isnt developed as a character. doesnt help that its infinity better written
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Jax, the focus of most of the stories impact, is where I can see the endpoint desired by Gooseworx, but like you said, the therapy talk is one-dimensional. I get the feeling that Gooseworx is more interested in trauma dumping than interior reflection. Probably because he is unwilling to fully analyze himself.

TADC has moments where it almost becomes good, but that is mainly due to Gooseworx copying media he likes without really understanding it.
 
Mystery Spy dijo:
. Even Ragatha’s own evil mother sounds far worse than Jax’s.
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Ragatha is a better Jax (at least more compelling imho), I'd rather hear about the lonely dyke with the character flaw of being kind to a delusional degree and that put people off from her, rather than the 100¹⁰th asshole who isn't really an asshole because his mom laughed when he told her he liked wearing dresses.

I know it's because gooseworx wants the world to know how sad, abused, quirky and toxic he is but Jax ambiguously or not, believing he killed his mom isn't the deepstory sad backstory he thinks it is.

Jax's mom mocked him and he tried to kill her. Ragatha's was a controlling bitch who depending on how you interpreted the Caine torture scene, verbally (or physically) abused her and her siblings.

All I'm saying is, Jax and ragatha are the ones with abusive households as far as we know, but Ragatha is coherent grown woman, at least.
 
Hayduraide dijo:
A list of deeply personal things other than being trans/a crossdresser that Jax told his mom, which a mother would laugh at her son over:

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"It's not a phase, mom, it's a fascinatingly deep and surprisingly human LIFESTYLE."
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Jax was his fursona this whole time!

I mean his biggest secret is what he told his mom. His fear was that he would be punished for what he did to her. Is the worst thing he did though snubbing Ribbit so she abstracted or pushing his mom? On some level suiciding yourself because one friendship ended is kind of weak of Ribbit. Could have just rebounded onto Ragatha and made him jealous or something or... hang out with Kaufmo before Jax could say he's with him? I mean why wouldn't Ribbit just have a heart to heart with Kaufmo, who was her friend before, and say Jax is being a cunt, let's given him the lonely sadboy life he wants?

Was she that bad? Maybe not, I mean she's not as damned by the narrative. Jax's potential troonery is more damned by the narrative by ultimately showing even years out Leeroy is fine just being an emo guy. Like he got out of those weird teenage years and started to calm down so I guess that she was right and he shouldn't cut off his dick to become his furry waifu or whatever.

Sometimes you have stupid ideas when you're like 16. Sometimes you need a trusted adult to tell you to be less retarded.
 
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Fishnumm dijo:
fair enough sopranos has far more time to develop tony

but a counter point is that even the pilot therapy scenes are better than anything tadc does when tony isnt developed as a character. doesnt help that its infinity better written
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Tony isn't a developed character, but he still has an interesting problem of needing to open up about something he really can't because he is a criminal. Interesting problems is something TADC lacks.

Going back to Monk's therapy scenes, while Monk isn't as intresting as Tony, they are important to the plot because it either helps him with the episode's personal relationship drama (mainly dealing with his caretaker) or the case at hand. TADC doesn't really have either relationship drama or a problem the characters need to solve.

As I mentioned before the characters are incredibly passive and often require Caine or an NPC to push the characters into action because they never do anything on their own. Everybody is along for the ride so there isn't a whole lot of actual problem solving or desire for teamwork. Because of this there isn't any real character drama. Yes Jax is antagonistic to other characters because he wants to avoid getting close to them, but there is no real dramatic tension because there is no need to change that dynamic. This isn't like Cube where you have clashing personalities that need to work together to survive and the stakes are high. Jax and Ragatha don't need to hash shit out to work together because nothing in this show matters. It is the Depression Quest of animation, nothing happens and the main character kills themselves in the end.
 
Mystery Spy dijo:
I sincerely doubt the same woman that worked her ass off to give him a home, and food meant any long term harm to him.
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The only explanation I could come up with for Jax's reaction, he is autistic. He is a tard that chimped out, and tard raged is mom down the stairs. There are ways to write characters that are emotionally immature and avoid vulnerability. Jax was not it, his mom was too kind in that regard. Perhaps Jax is projecting the hatred he has for his father unto the remaining parent, but I'm not giving this show that much credit.

Ribbit seems okay with Jax being a tard. She wanted to hop on that bunny boner. He becomes real with her but regrets it, which drives her to abstract. That's actually interesting. He has guilt for it and it is obviously reflected in his character and closes himself more as a result, but this gets ruined by him being a tard, or at the very least underwritten so my tard theory is the easiest backstory that works. They needed to rethink his backstory.
 
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Look At You dijo:
There is a point in the movie where Pomni tells Ragatha that she is her closest friend in the circus and it confused me. Over the course of the show I really didn't feel that they were that close. If anything, Pomni had seemed to distance herself from any attempt from Ragatha to deepen their relationship. I'd say she always seemed closer to Kinger and Jax than Ragatha.
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There really needed to be a Ragatha focus episode before this but there wasn't.
 
Here's my contribution to the thread.
I couldn't stop thinking of the Poochie episode from The Simpsons while watching episode 9

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Fishnumm dijo:
clown pussy

does ribbons die a horrible death she was by far the worst character in the pilot
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No. Her real form was that of an poojeet, the only "death" was the scenario in episode 8 that was based on the "ending?" of episode 4. where she gets hit by a semi truck (a International prostar to be specific)
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Mystery Spy dijo:
Was Jax’s mom even that bad? She actually comes to me as one of the most responsible adults in the show to me.

By Jax’s own admission she took care of him, feed him and gave him a home, while his father ran away and abandoned him . She was a single mom that took care of her home. Just that fact already makes her more mature and admirable than most of the cast.

Her two big sins acording to Jax was calling him out when he was acting “not manly enough”, and laughing about his “secret confession.”

If it was a trans confession, she was actually the only one that didn’t cuddle him and affirmed his delusions. I sincerely doubt the same woman that worked her ass off to give him a home, and food meant any long term harm to him.

Worst you could say about her is that she lacked tact but meant well and just wanted hers son to grow to be a healthy adult male. Even Ragatha’s own evil mother sounds far worse than Jax’s.
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I don't think she did anything wrong really.

1-It's very clear that jax wore a maid uniform for unknown reasons (femboy onlyfans?) so the dad must've thought his son was a faggot and the mom at least told him to stop doing that gay shit, which is a fair take. Jax very likely wasn't honest about it either so of course his mom would pry him about it.

2-Regardless of what Jax said and how much his mom laughed and insulted him, she hugged him after it so it sounds like she felt bad after and changed her mind. It's not like she started hitting him or kicked him out of home, she still loved him, but Jax pushed her in a fit of rage and knocked her out.

Jax's guilty and tragedy doesn't work if his mom was actually a monster. If she was, it would be so easy for him to deflect blame back to her but he can't and doesn't. He would rather convince himself that none of this circus shit is not real, refuse any chance to leave and push everyone away so he can't hurt another person (unintentionally hurting them more).

I'm not saying his mom was a saint and jax the devil but people who think jax did nothing wrong are obviously wrong as Jax knows he fucked up. It was all a very unfortunate accident and Jax never got the chance to find out the truth unlike leroy did, and considering Leroy looks fine, 99.9% chance his mom is ok too.

I know goose's message here is that you can't save everyone yadayada, but the funny thing is that, if only Caine resurrected one hour earlier, he probably would've saved Jax by saying his IRL version is fine so he can relax. The movie would end after 5 minutes lol.
 
Fishnumm dijo:
does ribbons die a horrible death she was by far the worst character in the pilot
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Sorry to tell you that not only does she live, she's one of two out of the cast who canonically got to have sex at the end. (Dyked out with Zooble in the credits.)
 
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