The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Freya]

Throughout history, half of all children have failed to reach adulthood.

When we talk about abortion being fucked up, we forget how fucked up things were for pretty much all of human history. Read the biography of anyone born before 1920 and it will say something like "They were the oldest of 5 children, 3 of which died in infancy"

Death and suffering are built into humanity. The difference now is we can manage it a lot better than before.

You can say abortion is fucked up too, but it's more like a necessary evil.

 

[Android raptor]

Throughout history, half of all children have failed to reach adulthood.

When we talk about abortion being fucked up, we forget how fucked up things were for pretty much all of human history. Read the biography of anyone born before 1920 and it will say something like "They were the oldest of 5 children, 3 of which died in infancy"

Death and suffering are built into humanity. The difference now is we can manage it a lot better than before.

You can say abortion is fucked up too, but it's more like a necessary evil.

Especially since before modern medicine found methods of abortion that were both safe and reliable, infanticide was often how unwanted pregnancies were dealt with. I've posted about that a lot ITT but it's always important to bring up. Abortion actually prevents actual, honest to god baby killing.

I've linked this article before too but it talks about how widespread infanticide was and how it even still happened when early attempts were made to outlaw it. Even people just abandoning babies usually resulted in them dying even with care from hospitals.

The only thing that finally reduced babies being killed was the rise of safe and reliable contraception and abortion that prevented them from existing in the first place.


Banning abortion isn't going to reduce the amount of dead fetuses you get, and will likely just mean you get way more dead babies and dead women and girls in addition to those dead fetuses.

For reals though. Giving birth left me with anal fissures. It was fucking horrendous and took months for me not to cry with pain every time I needed to take a dump.

Taking a dick in the ass is a little bit of an ache if you don't take it slowly enough for your sphincter to relax (Unless youre an absolute gumboot who goes in dry)

Yeah I know even getting a C-section is rough. I know women who delivered vaginally and who got c-sections and both methods are hard af and have a long-ass recovery time. I hear some women luck out and have a relatively easy birth, but they seem to be the exception.

Some buttsex is nothing in comparison to childbirth. Shit, I'm pretty sure passing a kidney stone is about the only thing comparable to childbirth (and even that's probably a lot less likely to kill you or give you long lasting complications). You want to talk about shit that can make you incontinent, fucking childbirth is a huge one.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I've linked this article before too but it talks about how widespread infanticide was and how it even still happened when early attempts were made to outlaw it.

I looked at the study they linked. They used gender imbalance in births in relatively low numbers (n=500) per gender and found a gender imbalance specifically in rural areas during poor periods and even then the difference was small. This then is assumed to be the result of infanticide, but that is still an assumption.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Y'all niggers aren't even talking about abortion at this point, you're planning a gay orgy.

 

[Android raptor]

I looked at the study they linked. They used gender imbalance in births in relatively low numbers (n=500) per gender and found a gender imbalance specifically in rural areas during poor periods and even then the difference was small. This then is assumed to be the result of infanticide, but that is still an assumption.

Hmmm, an unnatural gender imbalance in poor, rural areas is totally natural. No way it's the result of sex-specific infanticide, something that still happens in developing countries to this day. Nope, totally just a coincidence.

There were also some neat first-person accounts too, as well as info about how many babies in hospital built to care for unwanted babies died.

 

[Muh Vagina]

the foremost use of sex is still for procreative purposes

Are you a Duggar by any chance?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I know you know nothing about women

I don't know if you've realized this, but your jabs have been unnaturally weak. Well, not just the jabs:

but sometimes women will talk about sex with each other. Like just as casual conversation. That often includes discussing their experiences and tastes. Wild, I know.

I was suggesting that you're either a voyeur or you're being lied to, well after I outright stated that women lie about enjoying anal sex.

It's as though both your capacities for personal attacks and reading comprehension took two double hammerfists, or you're really poorly executing mid-low effort posting, in which case I'm concerned about your anal fixation.

Btw anuses are fine for sex as long as you use plenty of lube and take it slow

and also make sure that you didn't have any explosive foods in case your stomach starts acting up mid-way, make sure you're not constipated, make sure your colon's sufficiently empty at the time of the deed, consider giving yourself an enema to ensure such...

The fact that you have to use "plenty of lube" for an orifice and still have to "take it slow" should be indicative of my point.

Seriously you're baffled by the idea that women might like buttsex because pain, yet think they should be forced to carry out pregnancies and give birth.

Neither of those things have anything to do with the other, and no amount of repeating that distortion will give it weight.

Also damn dude you really be turning chicks gay and everything.

First girlfriend was a self-avowed lesbian (i.e. I don't know what or who she was doing before me, but I had no reason to doubt her retellings of her past) well before she had started making moves on me, and pined for me for a while after I broke up with her.

I'm pretty sure this was meant to be a rib more than anything, but for some reason I can't even take joy in the irony. Probably because the joke's based on an assumption that the third case I listed was a romantic partner as opposed to, literally, someone I was aware of.

 

[Android raptor]

and also make sure that you didn't have any explosive foods in case your stomach starts acting up mid-way, make sure you're not constipated, make sure your colon's sufficiently empty at the time of the deed, consider giving yourself an enema to ensure such...

The fact that you have to use "plenty of lube" for an orifice and still have to "take it slow" should be indicative of my point.

Enemas are pretty bog standard preparation for butt stuff, yeah. Also even vaginal sex can require a shitton of lube. Does that mean vaginal sex is unnatural and paraphillic as well?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Also even vaginal sex can require a shitton of lube. Does that mean vaginal sex is unnatural and paraphillic as well?

No, because a penis is supposed to go in there. If anything at all, the lack of vaginal lubrication is the unnatural thing that needs to be checked out by a gynecologist.

 

[Android raptor]

No, because a penis is supposed to go in there. If anything at all, the lack of vaginal lubrication is the unnatural thing that needs to be checked out by a gynecologist.

Some women just don't get very wet. Unless there's some kind of underlying issue, a gynecologist would just tell you to use more lube. Because that's generally what you do when you have problems fitting stuff into orifices.

If something potentially hurting means it's unnatural, then childbirth must be the most unnatural thing of all. Especially since anal sex generally don't come with the risk of tearing your taint open, amongst other things.

 

[Vecr]

Some women just don't get very wet. Unless there's some kind of underlying issue, a gynecologist would just tell you to use more lube. Because that's generally what you do when you have problems fitting stuff into orifices.

If something potentially hurting means it's unnatural, then childbirth must be the most unnatural thing of all. Especially since anal sex generally don't come with the risk of tearing your taint open, amongst other things.

It's not "unnatural" of course, but humans have disgustingly huge brains and thus heads at birth, compared to the size of the mother. It's not like that in most animals, they don't really have the same issues. It's the price you have to pay for intelligence, I guess.

 

[Spedestrian]

If something potentially hurting means it's unnatural, then childbirth must be the most unnatural thing of all. Especially since anal sex generally don't come with the risk of tearing your taint open, amongst other things.

It's not "unnatural" of course, but humans have disgustingly huge brains and thus heads . . . . It's the price you have to pay for intelligence, I guess.

The road to intelligence is paved with torn taints.

 

[Zarael]

Abortion isn't murder because fetuses aren't people, and even if they were they still wouldn't have a right to use and endanger someone else's body without consent.

The issue of pro-abortionists never having a clear definition of personhood aside there are two big issues here. First off you do give consent the moment you engage in the act that results in procreation. You can't seperate the two. Again it's like saying you consent to getting on the train but not to go to its destination. If you've consented to one you've consented to the other. Secondly you're ignoring the fact that even if you make the best possible argument about why fetuses aren't really people and are as worthy of moral consideration as amoeba you still have to deal with the fact that without your intervention it's a near certainty that it would have become a person based on it's own natural processes. Before you say it no I don't consider sperm a person since life is an autonomous process that that process begins at conception.

I have considered ethics. It's unethical to force a woman to be an incubator.

This is a strange way of framing it. Nobody is "forcing" the woman to do anything. They're saying you can't solve a situation through killing human life. It's like saying because you think I can't stab a homeless man for speaking to me that you're forcing me to listen to homeless people with no recourse. Again, really bad logic and argument, completely falls to pieces in under the slightest scrutiny.

 

[Nom Carver]

I like the kind of coping you see in this thread, stuff like "Oh, children used to die all the time in olden times, so therefore abortion now is A-ok" or gems like "It's unethical to force a woman to give birth". Literally how hard is it to wrap your heads around just not having sex all the goddamn time, and facing the consequences of your actions? This is fucking pathetic. You're like children who just CAN'T keep their hands out of a cookie jar. Just because we used to burn people by accusing them of being 'witches', does that mean that it's okay to burn random people alive nowadays for the same reason? And nobody's forcing someone to give birth, child-bearing, nurturing, giving birth and being a mother are the ultimate results of sex. Don't like it? Don't have it. Slaughtering unborn children because you're too stupid and lack the self discipline to keep it in your pants is one of the most baseline retarded things I've ever seen.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Are you a Duggar by any chance?

No, a person who knows basic science. I know you pro-choice people aren't big on that but I find biology much less of a dry subject than others, you should really take a look into it. You might learn something.

 

[Uncle Warren]

I personally don't care about abortion or whatever, but I'm sure you could help feed the homeless by donating your fetus to a local soup kitchen.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Some women just don't get very wet. Unless there's some kind of underlying issue, a gynecologist would just tell you to use more lube. Because that's generally what you do when you have problems fitting stuff into orifices.

There's another thing that is very rare.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

If something potentially hurting means it's unnatural,

It does not.

 

[artilleryfroth]

Late to this, but too bad for y’all, so here’s my biased opinion.

If a female person and a male person have sex, no matter what precautions they use, they both are consenting to the risk of a pregnancy, because there is no 100% safe contraceptive other than being celibate, being homosexual, or doing it back-to-back.

The woman gets to decide whether to continue the pregnancy because it is her body and life that are on the line. Pregnancy and childbirth are dangerous and debilitating.

However I think the man should also have an “out” where if he doesn’t want a child, and discovers he has impregnated someone, he can complete a legal form and have no responsibility towards the eventual child in future ever. If the woman doesn’t contact him during the pregnancy so that he can get this organised, he retains the right to do so within a reasonable time (maybe a month) after she claims money from him.

Why can’t we all do something like this..?

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

The issue of pro-abortionists never having a clear definition of personhood aside

Yeah ok bruh, it's not like a ton of people have said "when higher brain functions start."

Honestly half this thread should be moved to the incel thread, it really feels like a bunch of kids who've had zero experience with sex in the real world. Have any of you fucking spergs actually had to deal with abortion irl, or is this some autistic thought experiment?

Throw me top hats niggers, some of you are fucking retarded in here.