Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[DavidS877]

How did your parents take it when you rolled up in your electric car and then had to tell them you're gay?

My mom bought one first.

 

[Unimaginative Username]

Another big problem with these deluxe golf carts is that they don't make any engine noise, so if you're walking in a parking lot and happen to be passing behind a Tesla driven by someone with the "start her up, immediately shift into reverse, and step on the accelerator without looking" attitude, you aren't getting any warning that you're about to be run over because there's no ICE to crank. It's also bad when you have weather conditions that greatly reduce visibility and standard procedure at a rural intersection is to roll down the windows and listen for cross traffic, since Teslas don't make any engine noise. They ought to be required by law to have a pair (for redundancy) of weatherproof speakers playing appropriate engine noise MP3s when in operation.

 

[DavidS877]

They ought to be required by law to have a pair (for redundancy) of weatherproof speakers playing appropriate engine noise MP3s when in operation.

Sadly, they do now.
In the US.
It makes it much harder to run over people who need to be run over.

 

[Betonhaus]

Obviously, this is a troll, but I'll take the bait.
Randomly chosen city pair about 5 hours apart:
Denver, CO to Hays, KS.
Without an electric car:
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With an electric car:
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So, it turns a 5 hour drive into.... a 5 hour drive.

Personally, I can't sit for 5 hours so I'd need a rest stop either way and would probably spend 1-2 minutes plugging in the electric car and then 1-2 minutes to unplug it even though there's no actual reason to charge. Not sure if there's a Buc-ee's on that route.

It’ll consume 78% of your battery life, so you’d need to charge before you leave and hunt for a charger when you arrive. And I don’t know about you but I get anxious when my phone drops below 30%, and 12% is low enough that I could really face the possibility of being stranded if conditions aren’t perfect or it takes too long to find a charger.

 

[The Ugly One]

My mom bought one first.

I'm so glad my mom isn't gay.

 

[DavidS877]

I'm so glad my mom isn't gay.

Funny enough, mom did drive a Subaru when she was working. She was a mail carrier and had to drive her own car and they were one of the few companies that sold right-hand-drive cars in the US.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

Obviously, this is a troll, but I'll take the bait.

Not a troll, but maybe a little hyperbolic. Google Maps is an estimation of journey time. It makes the assumption that you aren't going to need to make stops.

So a refuel, coffee and toilet break at the motorway services.

1. You have to slow down on the highway to pull off. You need to get into the right lane, maybe go through some intersections. So we will say (2-5 minutes).
2. You have to then negotiate the services. (2 minutes).
3. You then have to fill up. (2 minutes).
4. Go to the loo (2-5 minutes).
5. Get a coffee (2-5 minutes).
6. Pay (1 minute).
7. Go back to the car, put the phone back in the cradle, start the car, etc. (1-2 minutes).
8. Go back out (2-5 minutes)
9. Get back on the motorway (2-5 minutes)

So it is easy to see how you can lose 20-30 minutes of journey time by one quick stop. If you are doing these sorts of journeys regularly (like I was), you become acutely aware of this.

In an electric car the recharge stop needs to be much longer. Sure, you can do some of those other things while you are waiting to charge. This is on the assumption that there are spaces to charge (which I've noticed there often is not).

But it's still going to be an additional 45 minutes to 1 hour for the journey time. If you have to do that twice, that is 1 hour 30 minutes. So a 5-hour journey can turn into a 7-8 hour journey easily.

It is like F1. The time lost isn't them doing the tyre change, as that is like 5 seconds (or however long it is now). It is the time lost on having to slow down and enter the pit lane that loses them the most amount of time.

 

[Burnt Effigy]

Another big problem with these deluxe golf carts is that they don't make any engine noise, so if you're walking in a parking lot and happen to be passing behind a Tesla driven by someone with the "start her up, immediately shift into reverse, and step on the accelerator without looking" attitude, you aren't getting any warning that you're about to be run over because there's no ICE to crank. It's also bad when you have weather conditions that greatly reduce visibility and standard procedure at a rural intersection is to roll down the windows and listen for cross traffic, since Teslas don't make any engine noise. They ought to be required by law to have a pair (for redundancy) of weatherproof speakers playing appropriate engine noise MP3s when in operation.

The reversing AVAS on a Tesla is actually fairly loud, well done w/r/t safety, and easy to identify:

The forward AVAS, though, is barely audible and only loud enough to comply with regulations, it's kind of a noise-ish thing?:

Completely insufficient compared to what the reference in AVAS, Toyota, does on their hybrids (And has been doing so for over 15 years now!):

The science behind AVAS is actually pretty cool when it's done properly (and not half-assed like Tesla's forward AVAS).
You need:
- To be able to guess how far the vehicle is without having heard the AVAS before
- To be able to guess whether it's approaching or distancing
- To be able to guess speed
- To be able to find the direction of the vehicle fairly precisely

Most of these engage the field of Psychoacoustics, and is a fascinating rabbit hole to fall into if you have a few hours to throw away.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Called it.

 

[McKennai]

The reversing AVAS on a Tesla is actually fairly loud, well done w/r/t safety, and easy to identify:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9S5-4semE
The forward AVAS, though, is barely audible and only loud enough to comply with regulations, it's kind of a noise-ish thing?:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kASCboM3z9k
Completely insufficient compared to what the reference in AVAS, Toyota, does on their hybrids (And has been doing so for over 15 years now!):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3Vy42zphNp4
The science behind AVAS is actually pretty cool when it's done properly (and not half-assed like Tesla's forward AVAS).
You need:
- To be able to guess how far the vehicle is without having heard the AVAS before
- To be able to guess whether it's approaching or distancing
- To be able to guess speed
- To be able to find the direction of the vehicle fairly precisely

Most of these engage the field of Psychoacoustics, and is a fascinating rabbit hole to fall into if you have a few hours to throw away.

That sound is the equivalent of the Firealarm chirping noise, never understood why it's that hard for making loud enough EVs without resorting to speakers..

 

[Burnt Effigy]

That sound is the equivalent of the Firealarm chirping noise, never understood why it's that hard for making loud enough EVs without resorting to speakers..

Because you need something to make the noise, making anything else that isn't the speaker either does not pass the requirements for AVAS laws, or is too big a compromise VS just throwing a handful of watts into a speaker.

Problem is, a noisy motor means any of:
- It's under high load, so you either need a proper multi-speed transmission (very lossy, highly complex when compared to a 3-5 gear transfer case), or you can't go fast
- Has a bad inductor design, meaning it heats up a lot, and has shit power
- You're injecting HF noise into the coils, which makes the motor heat up while providing zero torque
- Has straight cut gears in the transfer case. I love the sound of straight-cuts, but it would be UNBEARABLE for long drives

Racecar with straight cuts:

Rally EV with straight cuts:

You could also abuse the AC compressor or overdrive the DC-DC converter. Both of these would cause a lot of wear.

The actual solution is to come up with a less poofy sound to go out of the speakers.
But it looks like EVs are better at getting people to suck cock than being a victim of Bacha Bazi, thus all AVAS sound designers need a cascade of cum to output anything.

 

[TheTitKoker]

Another big problem with these deluxe golf carts is that they don't make any engine noise, ...... They ought to be required by law to have a pair (for redundancy) of weatherproof speakers playing appropriate engine noise MP3s when in operation.

Like Pikes Peak and other hill climbs that make microwaves play some loud sounds to alert spectators and wildlife, but mandatory to be something gayest and most embarrassing.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

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No, really, it’s fucking hilarious,

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I intentionally try to stay away from Teslas on the highway since they are unpredictable mechanically and typically driven by retards who are deliberately not paying attention. Too many stories of them randomly slamming on the brakes while "self driving", or of people climbing into the back seat and shit while it's going full speed, or reading a book instead, or whatever.

Automated assistance features are great, in theory. In practice it's a hailstorm of nanny beeps and over-correction of the driver's own decisions. Plus I will never get used to the fucking tablet in the center of the car. That shit is insanely distracting.

This is pure fiction.

ICE drivers doing everything but driving is prevalent and you avoid teslas like they are going to randomly careen into you and explode? Very creative.

I have had a few hotheads get aggressive with me because the car will turn on brake lights when coasting for more than a second or two (regenerative braking) and they think I’m brake-checking them because they were already 1 foot off of my bumper. But that’s really all on them and not me as I’m just driving normally.

 

[Two Frogs]

you avoid teslas like they are going to randomly careen into you and explode

...Yes, that's what I said, because they have done so to other people and fucking killed them.

Is this a debate thread or a hate thread? Shut up, nobody likes these stupid things.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

Not a troll, but maybe a little hyperbolic. Google Maps is an estimation of journey time. It makes the assumption that you aren't going to need to make stops.

So a refuel, coffee and toilet break at the motorway services.

1. You have to slow down on the highway to pull off. You need to get into the right lane, maybe go through some intersections. So we will say (2-5 minutes).
2. You have to then negotiate the services. (2 minutes).
3. You then have to fill up. (2 minutes).
4. Go to the loo (2-5 minutes).
5. Get a coffee (2-5 minutes).
6. Pay (1 minute).
7. Go back to the car, put the phone back in the cradle, start the car, etc. (1-2 minutes).
8. Go back out (2-5 minutes)
9. Get back on the motorway (2-5 minutes)

So it is easy to see how you can lose 20-30 minutes of journey time by one quick stop. If you are doing these sorts of journeys regularly (like I was), you become acutely aware of this.

In an electric car the recharge stop needs to be much longer. Sure, you can do some of those other things while you are waiting to charge. This is on the assumption that there are spaces to charge (which I've noticed there often is not).

But it's still going to be an additional 45 minutes to 1 hour for the journey time. If you have to do that twice, that is 1 hour 30 minutes. So a 5-hour journey can turn into a 7-8 hour journey easily.

It is like F1. The time lost isn't them doing the tyre change, as that is like 5 seconds (or however long it is now). It is the time lost on having to slow down and enter the pit lane that loses them the most amount of time.

No ackshually….


What a cope here. Take it from people that live with the things. EV’s are extremely convenient and the rare times you charge away from home are barely longer than a gas stop if you re not trying to be methed up OTR trucker mode,

 

[Steve Harwell's ghost]

I'm currently writing a paper about EV's, the research is horrible, trying to find even basic data is difficult. Forget trying to use any ai, its all the same BS. Like shit that we can verify, I don't think it would be wise to site this thread lol.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I'm currently writing a paper about EV's, the research is horrible, trying to find even basic data is difficult. Forget trying to use any ai, its all the same BS. Like shit that we can verify, I don't think it would be wise to site this thread lol.

Cite*


NHTSA probably has data. Also try consumer reports and JD Power you will have to pay for the datasets though.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

No ackshually….


What a cope here. Take it from people that live with the things. EV’s are extremely convenient and the rare times you charge away from home are barely longer than a gas stop if you re not trying to be methed up OTR trucker mode,

Yes, actually. I used to drive about 1200-1500 miles a week. About a third of that wasn't on major roads. Wasting time can easily double your journey time (mainly due to various busy period times).

There is no cope coming from me. This is how almost every discussion with an EV owner goes. Any issues raised around charging are dismissed. This is why I really hate EV evangelists; they either just lie, dismiss or tell you have to change your driving habits drastically.

I can't fit a charger at my home. It isn't an option. In walking distance, there is exactly one charging station. I was told by some EV evangelist this wasn't a problem. You are doing the same. It is bullshit.
If I could have a charger fitted to my home. In the UK it would be £1000, and electricity is expensive here. So it would cost about the same as I spend on fuel currently, plus the new tax on it.

I see EV owners waiting for chargers at service stations on long journeys, or the stations are out of order.
I've seen people queueing for chargers with my own eyes. But people like you will tell me to ignore my lying eyes.

There is a dismissal about charging time. If you actually want to get somewhere, aka not a Sunday afternoon driver, stopping for 20-30 (or longer) is a problem. You pretending that it isn't is entirely disingenuous. That would almost double my journey time. I know how much time it takes to charge because I did the journey with my stepfather, who owns an EV. I had to wait with them while it was charged.

ICE drivers doing everything but driving is prevalent and you avoid teslas like they are going to randomly careen into you and explode? Very creative.

I have had a few hotheads get aggressive with me because the car will turn on brake lights when coasting for more than a second or two (regenerative braking) and they think I’m brake-checking them because they were already 1 foot off of my bumper. But that’s really all on them and not me as I’m just driving normally.

Dude, I've seen some dude asleep in his Tesla. I've seen people abuse driving aids in other vehicles. Pretending this doesn't take place is again disingenuous.

 

[DavidS877]

I've seen people queueing for chargers with my own eyes. But people like you will tell me to ignore my lying eyes.

There's a simple answer to that. Those people are retarded. With the number of chargers out there now you can almost always plan to just use the next one on a long trip. If they're the dumbass that gets to a charger at 3% then, guess what, they're retarded. In cities it's common for chargers to be more busy as people can't charge at home, if you have an EV and can't charge at home... guess what... retarded. I guess there's a third option, following the route planner recommendation, I just did a sample route and it said "Oh, hey, charge at this charger in the major city at the airport." Yea, fuck that.

stopping for 20-30 (or longer) is a problem.

If I'm going 500 miles then I have to stop once, maybe twice anyway unless I want to pee in a bottle. So I need to charge at least once for maybe an extra 15 minutes on one of those two stops.

That would almost double my journey time.

I'm not sure how adding 15-30 minutes to a 6 hour drive would "double" your time. Now, maybe they have something with under 200 mile range and are trying to take a long trip. I refer back to my first point... "retarded"