Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Terminated.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

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@Poe-Shen Zcela
Regarding this bit:


REV-9: "This girl is foreign to you. Why don't you just let me have her?"
Sarah: "Because we're not machines, you metal motherfucker."

Could that just be another “pro-illegal immigration bit?
“She’s not from here, why do you care?”
“Because we’re not heartless machines, unlike you!”

Yeah, that might have crossed their minds. I wouldn't put it past them. It's puerile NPC partisanship.

Also if you take the scene on the C5 plane more literally--where Sarah calls Dani "John"--then that reframes the T-800's final words. When he said "For John", he really meant for Dani. I don't actually believe this, but you better believe some video essayist on YouTube would make that observation.

Chris Franklin on Twitter

“I tend to my twitter blocks the way one does a bonsai tree - with regular care and maintenance. Today I’m spending 20 minutes blocking all the chuds making asinine ‘get woke go broke’ posts in response to Dark Fate bombing.”

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Speaking of video essayists, this guy looks like the imminent subject of an EFAP. Though a quick glance through his YouTube shows only essays on videogames.

EDIT: Semper fi, buddy. You know what's up:

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

In this film even a person getting out of a car is CGI.

At that point, why not just make the whole damn thing CGI? Can't be any more insulting than Sausage Party.

 

[The Nothingness]

The storyline for this franchise has become an endless cycle and Dark Fate is no different from previous three movies it ignores. Even with the defeat of Skynet in T2, Dark Fate assures that "Judgment Day is inevitable" (I recall that line from T3 is one of the things that angered fans about that movie) by introducing another AI that becomes self-aware and destroys most of humankind. Maybe if the alternate ending from T2 had been the theatrical ending, this IP would have an conclusion. Then again, that ending could be undone much like Disney undid the OT.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

There’s been so much time fuckery in these movies that they could probably do a movie where Skynet realizes that they’ve created so many time loops and alternate realities that reality itself is about to implode in on itself. So they gather Terminators from all across the timelines to set thing to take the regular path. Because at least in the war they’re slowly losing, at least they can still exist and persevere themselves.

Just have Arnold play like 6 different Terminators at once interacting with himself. It’s fucking stupid, but at least I’d get some enjoyment from it.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I would've liked to see an actual future war (so not whatever 4 was) Terminator movie. You could've made the run for skynets time displacement machine the plot. You could've introduced new characters that were important for this without them not being mentioned in the original films necessarily be a plothole. You wouldn't have needed to fuck with the original movies at all, it all could've ended with Kyle going back. The whole scenario is nightmareish, it could've made an excellent thriller.

NOW Comics in the mid to late 80ies actually done Terminator comics set during the future war, and they already that plot line in the one their mini-series iirc.

 

[Commander X]

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

'Terminator: Dark Fate' Puts Franchise on Ice, Faces $120M-Plus Loss

The film bombed in its U.S. debut over the weekend with $29 million.

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'Terminator: Dark Fate' Puts Franchise on Ice, Faces $120M-Plus Loss

The film bombed in its U.S. debut over the weekend with $29 million.

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A storied Hollywood film franchise has been terminated — at least for the foreseeable future.

Terminator: Dark Fate bombed in its global box office debut over the weekend, grossing just $29 million in the U.S., well behind expectations.

Nor was its performance much better overseas, where it has earned $94.6 million to date, including a lackluster China launch of $28 million, for a global total of $123.6 million.

Dark Fate faces losses of $120 million-plus for partners Skydance Media, Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox, which each put up 30 percent of the $185 million budget (Disney, which now owns the Fox film studio, will absorb the loss), sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. China's Tencent has a 10 percent stake.

The red ink could end up at $130 million if the pic doesn't hold internationally; conversely, the losses could be closer to $110 million if it does have strong legs offshore, sources add.

While the losses will be spread around, Dark Fate's surprisingly poor performance is a blow for David Ellison's Skydance, which has spent tens of millions trying to reboot the James Cameron-created series that first hit the big screen in 1984. It's also a blow for Paramount, which needs franchises.

Ellison’s first attempt was 2015's Terminator Genisys, released in partnership with Warner Bros. The film, which cost more than $150 million to produce before marketing, grossed $440.6 million globally, so it wasn’t a financial disaster. It earned more than $100 million in China alone, but faltered in the U.S., where it topped out at $89.8 million.

Terminator Genisys was supposed to be the first of a trilogy but was reviled by critics. Ellison quickly scrapped the two follow-ups and went back to the drawing board. He arranged for Cameron to come back and produce a movie that would be a direct sequel to the first two films — The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, both of which were directed by Cameron — as well as helped arrange for the return of original series stars Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The R-rated Dark Fate was directed by Deadpool helmer Tim Miller. Mackenzie Davis, Natalia Reyes, Gabriel Luna and Diego Boneta also star.

Box office analysts say the movie's poor opening is a reflection of complete IP failure. (Insiders at Paramount and Skydance don't disagree.)

"It is time to let this franchise finally go to the great beyond," says Eric Handler of MKM Partners.

Adds Jeff Bock of Exhibitor Relations, "This is definitely the end of the line for the Terminator franchise in its current iteration. That said, IPs are harder to kill off than Jason Vorhees these days. So, expect a new series in five years on CBS All Access. Probably animated this time."

None of the companies involved would comment on the losses, but sources close to Skydance say there are certainly no plans for another film at this point. Ellison acquired the rights to Terminator from his sister, producer Megan Ellison, who bought them for a reported $20 million in 2011.

Following the first two films, neither Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) nor Terminator Salvation (2009) were able to reboot the film series, followed by Genisys. Analysts say any company would have tried again, considering the franchise mentality permeating the Hollywood studio system.

"The goodwill and brand equity created by the first two Terminator films was arguably undone by the subsequent pre-Dark Fate installments, which may have negatively impacted audience interest in this latest chapter in the series," says Paul Dergarabedian of Comscore.

Dark Fate is the second pricey miss in a row for Paramount and Skydance, following Ang Lee's Gemini Man.

Skydance is Paramount's financing partner on pics including the Mission: Impossible series and the upcoming Top Gun reboot. Separately, Skydance sold Michael Bay's big-budget 6 Underground, starring Ryan Reynolds, to Netflix for a reported $150 million-plus.

Netflix and Skydance are also making The Old Guard, an action pic directed by Gina Prince-Bythewood and starring Charlize Theron, KiK Layne, Marwan Kenzari, Matthias Schoenaerts and Chiwetel Ejiofor. The pic, based on the comic book of the same name, is currently filming.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Dark Fate?

Which one has fucked over the series the most and why?

DF...because no way this studio comes back to this well just on how much money this is losing any time remotely soon

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Dark Fate's surprisingly poor performance

Is it really that surprising?

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Is it really that surprising?

It's surprising to all the Hollywood insider types because they don't understand that people hate being lectured to by them and hate soft reboots of stuff they liked as kids made by people who hate them and hate the material.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Is there a good box office mojo replacement now that imdb has paywalled the site?

But honestly, question time, which one is the worse now in your eyes?

Genesys?
or
Dark Fate?

Dark Fate commits the highest sin of bad movies by being dully mediocre. Genisys is at least an entertaining disaster.

 

[Agent Wet]

In this film even a person getting out of a car is CGI.

Can't wait for the future when people will use CGI for someone grabing a glass of water.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Welcome to my Fan Fiction Presentation **casting**

Spoiler

Sell me the rights to Terminator for 2$ [Twice what James Cameron originally sold it for.]

here is how you do it.

Max Budget: 100 million dollars, Shooting Budget 50 Mil
No Arnold Involvement or James Cameron involvement unless they take the lowest pay they are allowed to take and only make money on the back end if the movie is profitable
Linda Hamilton can come back if she wants

Film Guerrilla style [Like T 1] and film in it a glamorous Midwest City [Cleveland , St Louis, or Detroit are to good for this. Kansas City is pushing it]. Film it in some place like Akron or Dayton Ohio.
Keep the initial press releases about the movie low key and hush hush. Have the extras sign NDAs that will encourage them to say "this is weird" on social media but not have them leak anything. I want some one to take a picture of the new Terminator [in Terminator make up] and go "OH SHIT they are filming a Terminator movie in Sandusky!"

John Connor
Need a 34 year old looking actor [max out at 44 MAYBE 50 in actual age]
Horror and Sci-Fi experience preferred and necessary
Military and or police experience preferred...combat experience in Afghanistan or Iraq preferred
Must have a Dad Bod but must have looked like he was hard and made or steel at one time
He needs to be able to go from normie to "follow me into hell do you want to live forever" at the drop of a hat.
Ms John Connor
needs to look like she walked off the Doomsday Preppers show [but like higher functioning/more professional end]
Connor family
one step kid 14, needs to be as wild as John was in T2 [from Mrs Connors prior marriage] and two younger kids from John's marriage to her
New future leader of humanity
16-18 year old kid. Preferable if the kid has Comic, Horror, and/or sci-fi experience can MAYBE go up to 21.
New Terminator
Horror/thriller/Scifi experience required
Needs to be physically imposing and needs to be able to project "I will kill you and not think about it" as a matter of physical charisma but needs to be able to be sweet and normal sounding.
Needs to speak very little though. An accent might be interesting.
Cameos
Horror and Roger Corman alumni plenty
Minor parts
Good actors who have had a career slump and are doing SHLOCK Horror, Sci-Fi, Garbage Streaming Service shows, as the 'I used to remember them' actor in hallmark movies

Special effects

Spoiler

As much practical as possible. Use CGI only when necessary for actor safety. Use Squibs for blood splatter of the gunshots

And the Plot

Spoiler

John is a corporate middle manager bureaucrat. He married a girl he met in his ptsd group therapy group and started a family with her. He works for a Amazon like corporation. She works for an outsource HR corporation that does work for every big souless corp imaginable. Kids spend lots of time on "social media"

Opening Narration is john talking about how life is almost normal, and John is coming back from like a Bowling league and walking home. He hears the new leader scream. he runs and hears the kid scream. He tells the person to stop. It turns, looks at him, and doesn't. John pulls out a gun and gives a second warning but it proceeds. John shaking a bit shoots it. It turns around and we see a effect similar to what we saw on the Rev-9 [Also the terminators skull needs to look more distinct]. "Come with me if you want to live."

John takes the kid to his car and we do a car chase. John loses him after some minor carnage occurs in the street. John finds a pay phone and gives his wife the bug out password. She takes the kid [but her oldest keeps social media on].

John and his family regroup. We have info dump...but the damn kid and Tik Tok lead the terminator to us. They get trapped and two people come on their position as a pincer. Second one is the super-soldier from the future.

Supersoldier saves everyone and they regroup. New info dump [Rules for how to kill it]. John has a giant explosive dump from the old days. Trains the new hero. They lure it into an abandoned coal mine....BIG BADA BOOM and a mountain falls on the monster

roll credits
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[The handsome tard]

You know, its funny. This movie had the guts to try to get a trilogy out of it...but what is the logic behind it? Think about it.

John is dead
Arnie is dead
Grace is dead
Juan-9 is dead
Legion will still come to exist somehow.

Do they seriously think that we would watch two more movies with just Linda Hamilton interacting with a bunch of fucking nobodies? (I do imagine they would find an excuse to bring Arnie back)

In Genesys's VERY small defense, it did setup a trilogy better than Dark Fate (better doesnt mean its good, D is better than F, both are still shit).

Arnie is alive
"Sarah and Kyle" are alive
Skynet or something lives
John Connor could be saved back with the alternative timelines non-sense

Dark Fate didnt even have a post credit scene (to my information, that is), Genesys did.

What would Dark Fate 2 be like? Them trying to stop Legion's birth? Well gesh, I really really never seen that before and oh look, two more terminators, because why the hell not?


Did no one stopped and noticed that 1) the plot is garbage and in no way makes you want to see more. 2) That this whole franchise is a broken record in trying to force trilogies.

Now we will go to the usual finger pointing and pushing each other under the bus like James is already doing with Miller, the guy is an asshole but I think it speaks a lot of James's character with him being so quick to throw the responsibility on the lap of others besides himself. It worked before because he had way less involvement but this? This was part of the marketing, what will he do now?
Anyway, I hate Miller but I hate James slightly more for being a backstabbing snake, good luck convincing people to watch your tribal blue alien waifu movie (Im sure anime already did that at least 10 times and better).

Welcome to my Fan Fiction Presentation **casting**

Spoiler

Sell me the rights to Terminator for 2$ [Twice what James Cameron originally sold it for.]

here is how you do it.

Max Budget: 100 million dollars, Shooting Budget 50 Mil
No Arnold Involvement or James Cameron involvement unless they take the lowest pay they are allowed to take and only make money on the back end if the movie is profitable
Linda Hamilton can come back if she wants

Film Guerrilla style [Like T 1] and film in it a glamorous Midwest City [Cleveland , St Louis, or Detroit are to good for this. Kansas City is pushing it]. Film it in some place like Akron or Dayton Ohio.
Keep the initial press releases about the movie low key and hush hush. Have the extras sign NDAs that will encourage them to say "this is weird" on social media but not have them leak anything. I want some one to take a picture of the new Terminator [in Terminator make up] and go "OH SHIT they are filming a Terminator movie in Sandusky!"

John Connor
Need a 34 year old looking actor [max out at 44 MAYBE 50 in actual age]
Horror and Sci-Fi experience preferred and necessary
Military and or police experience preferred...combat experience in Afghanistan or Iraq preferred
Must have a Dad Bod but must have looked like he was hard and made or steel at one time
He needs to be able to go from normie to "follow me into hell do you want to live forever" at the drop of a hat.
Ms John Connor
needs to look like she walked off the Doomsday Preppers show [but like higher functioning/more professional end]
Connor family
one step kid 14, needs to be as wild as John was in T2 [from Mrs Connors prior marriage] and two younger kids from John's marriage to her
New future leader of humanity
16-18 year old kid. Preferable if the kid has Comic, Horror, and/or sci-fi experience can MAYBE go up to 21.
New Terminator
Horror/thriller/Scifi experience required
Needs to be physically imposing and needs to be able to project "I will kill you and not think about it" as a matter of physical charisma but needs to be able to be sweet and normal sounding.
Needs to speak very little though. An accent might be interesting.
Cameos
Horror and Roger Corman alumni plenty
Minor parts
Good actors who have had a career slump and are doing SHLOCK Horror, Sci-Fi, Garbage Streaming Service shows, as the 'I used to remember them' actor in hallmark movies

You know, I dont know if that would be garbage...BUT
I know that anything made by actual fans is going to be better than anything made after T2, it may not have the budget but it will have the soul.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

You know, I dont know if that would be garbage...BUT
I know that anything made by actual fans is going to be better than anything made after T2, it may not have the budget but it will have the soul.

See I am not even a super fan. That seems like how you cook this.

Also...my Terminator could make drones and see through/hear through their perception. Because that would be cool.

The new AI would be Surveillance Silicon Valley Capitalism vs a War based existential threat

 

[Freddy Freaker]

So how long until the autistic screeching about dudebro gamergaters hacking rotten tomatoes and how people who don't like the movie are nazis and haters?

 

[Marissa Moira]

Maybe the movie would have made money if they only hired one or two people to write the script rather than 16?

I mean there's some real administrative bloat they could have really cut down on.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

There’s been so much time fuckery in these movies that they could probably do a movie where Skynet realizes that they’ve created so many time loops and alternate realities that reality itself is about to implode in on itself. So they gather Terminators from all across the timelines to set thing to take the regular path. Because at least in the war they’re slowly losing, at least they can still exist and persevere themselves.

Just have Arnold play like 6 different Terminators at once interacting with himself. It’s fucking stupid, but at least I’d get some enjoyment from it.

Terminator: Generations!

Oh God, I can picture it now: T1 Arnold, T2 Arnold, T3 Arnold, Cameron (from The Sarah Connor Chronicles), Marcus Wright (from Salvation), "Pops" (Genesys Arnold), "Carl" (Dark Fate Arnold), and Grace all working together to restore the timeline.

It'd be the mother of all clusterfucks, but at least I'd want to see just how crazy it would get.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I think a good start for a new terminator film would've been to not forcefully insert Schwarzenegger into it. Don't get me wrong. Loved Schwarzenegger and his movies, pretty sure I saw every single one, most several times. He was a staple of my 80s and 90s. But Dude is 70+ and it's been ridiculous for a while. He already looked too old for the Role in T3. In my country there was a satirical magazine that amongst rumors of a new Terminator film with him made a joke about the new movie "The Rollator" starring Schwarzenegger. (walking aid for the elderly if you don't know) That was in the late 90s-early 00s before T3 was released. If they only knew. Schwarzenegger doesn't even need to be a Terminator. It was established from the first movie and shown in every subsequent one that the Terminator literally could be anybody. (although making him look like an well-fed and thoroughly trained austrian bodybuilder to trick people that huddle amongst ruins and hunt rats for food was an .. interesting strategic choice by skynet. Still curious how the movie with Hendriksen as the Terminator would've looked like)

It's just low effort "hey 'member him? We 'member him" nostalgia pandering and doesn't score any points with the fans. I'm at a loss how they don't notice this. I'm also at a loss how Schwarzenegger doesn't notice this franchise is tarnishing his impressive life work. My guess is that they didn't talk to a single normal person about this.

Spoiler: My gay movie idea because we are doing this now

I actually like the idea with middle-aged John they claimed nobody wants to see. It could've been interesting. Here's that Leader that never was leading a completely mediocre life. Hell, make him work in a cubicle. Make him not very good at it. He fought off a liquid metal terminator and all he got was being on the run from the law his entire life and PTSD. Make him a poor, middle aged slob in a midlife crisis, pondering the pointlessness of his life and contrast it with the grandieur of being humanities last, best hope. Put him into some remote area. Hell, if you want a little humor in that make him fumble with his smartphone/tablet. Just because he was an early 90s hacker whizkid doesn't mean these skills have any worth in the current day. You can even directly spell this out if you like. Maybe hint at that his guerllia/super leader fighting training is anything but current.

If you want a tear-jerker, put Sarah Connor also in. Put her into a retirement home and make her suffer from dementia leading to a very sad scene where he visits her. Want a send off for that character? Make the Terminator find her too later on. Give her a lucid moment and a last act of (maybe annoying) defiance before she gets terminated. See, now I killed off an iconic character in a gritty way and I didn't even shit over the entire franchise in the processes!

Fears were a big thing of the first two movies. Fear of nuclear war and fear of computers. These aren't current fears. I can guarantee you most original Terminator fans can probably identify with such a scenario and such fears (marginalization, aging, purpose of life - universal fears) more than with a seemingly 2m tall, "badass" robotic lesbian.

Now that's all established, send the Terminator in. Maybe make him a little smarter than the first one, if you like. If you absolutely must for the #woke points, you can make him a woman too. Send nobody back to defend Mr. Connor. He has to deal with this one on his own. A squishy and vulnerable human against a machine build for the very purpose of seeking and destroying. He'll first try to run (remember: remote area) but he'll soon find that there's no point in running because the Terminator will never stop and cannot be bargained with. Defeating the Terminator will have to rely not on CGI trickery but on good, old human ingenuity and intelligence. If you cannot come up with suspenseful and interesting scenarios in this setting, you are a bad writer and should not be working on this. Finding the right actors would be paramount, of course. You don't need a big budget and you don't need lots of special effects because the fight scenes won't have people throwing cars at each other and similar cartoonish silliness.

Add family/other people in as you see fit. Sequel by the newly empowered John figuring out the destroyed Terminators programming?..

Or just try to turn the franchise into another capeshit thing because you think that's all what scifi is and keep losing millions and keep seeing how that works out for you.