Taylor Sheridan expanded universe - Jellostone, Land Man, Tulsa King, Mayor of Kingstown, and various films

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i remember watching wind river a long time ago and thought it was ok but i don't remember too much of it. first season of tulsa king was good for the novelty aspect of it but then the crew bitched about the location and the heat and now it's all filmed in atlanta so what's the point
 
I like his movies. Of his TV show I've only seen Mayor of Kingstown, and if you cut out all the scenes when people are calling eachother in their cars, you'd end up with 3 minute episodes where Jeremy Renner does whatever the fuck he wants without any consequences ever.
 
Taser Confetti dijo:
Sicario, Hell or High Water and Wind River are good movies.

His TV shows are the epitome of boomer slop.
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Disagree with Wind River; there is an epitome of "White man bad", and I've wrote a criticism of it:
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KiwiFuzz2 dijo:
The works of Taylor Sheridan take place in their own US where everyone is an asshole.

I generally like them but the uneven quality is there.
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I watched Wind River just recently and I would love to know where the fuck does he think a group of Whites would go out of their way to rape a featherhead woman, or at least, kill one of their co-workers just to rape an injun. Most rapes happen in reservations with other featherheads, I'm quite sure.
Taylor Sheridan is a fuckhead who is desperate to show Whites as assholes and edge very close on revisionist western. Yet even then, the...
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1883 was fine with the Texas scenes, yet once they went to the Montana, it was a slog to see the injuns being an "upside", just the Lakotas commiting attrocities. I've watched 1923 and honestly stopped because the mistreatment of the injun woman by the nuns just seems too over the fucking top. If it just focused on the scenes with Timothy Dalton & Jerome Flynn vs the Duttons, it would have been much better.
The unintentionally awesome scene was how the race mixer gets fucked up and his wife gets taken away.
 
I liked Sicario and Hell or High Water well enough, but I have to admit the rest his stuff is okay at best.

I wanted to like Sicario: Day of the Soldado and Wind River more, mostly because I enjoy a lot of the actors and actresses in those movies, but I didn't come away from them with anything more than "okay, I watched that" feelings.
 
all i read about this guy is that he makes everyone seethe, cope and dilate making tough guys slop movie/tv shows. Ive watched a bit of yellowstone and wasnt for me but i dont get the hate he gets, like just dont watch his shit if you dont like it.
 
Feel like almost all of his shows can be summed up as one guy saying "I want this land" and another guy saying "No, it's mine."
 
Weebburner dijo:
all i read about this guy is that he makes everyone seethe, cope and dilate making tough guys slop movie/tv shows. Ive watched a bit of yellowstone and wasnt for me but i dont get the hate he gets, like just dont watch his shit if you dont like it.
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Most of his TV shows are boomerslop. Tulsa King is an Eyetalian gangster boomer winning because the kids are retarded, Yellowstone is about how boomer ranchers are the only chance left for society not to be ruined by city slickers, and Landman is about a boomer who hates his wife but loves fucking her, has a pair of retarded kids, and is the unappreciated worker at the company holding it on his shoulders like Atlas.

I'll admit to liking Mayor of Kingstown, but his involvement is basically having his name in the credits.
 
Outer Space Traveller dijo:
1883 was fine with the Texas scenes
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I wasn't necessarily opposed to the premise, but the route they took and how they got there seemed unlikely.

Like I get that before the railroads, going somewhere in a covered wagon was how shit got done, and that wasn't a cheap way to travel.

However, it seems like 1883 would have been deep enough into the settlement of the West that a train ticket from Texas to Montana would be cheaper than dragging a wagon. Like how many train tracks did they have to cross on the way?


Definitely the weakest of the Dutton saga.
 
KiwiFuzz2 dijo:
I wasn't necessarily opposed to the premise, but the route they took and how they got there seemed unlikely.

Like I get that before the railroads, going somewhere in a covered wagon was how shit got done, and that wasn't a cheap way to travel.

However, it seems like 1883 would have been deep enough into the settlement of the West that a train ticket from Texas to Montana would be cheaper than dragging a wagon. Like how many train tracks did they have to cross on the way?


Definitely the weakest of the Dutton saga.
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Interesting. This puts the "gritting realism" even more into question. I can add to the list:
  • People who didn't shave;
  • The nigger;
  • Whites being the major troublemakers;
I guess the upside would be the diseases, the rivers, the weight of the carriages and so on. Maybe they needed to show the Germans and Volga Germans wanting to find their way to both Pacific Northwest and other parts of the country, so this is why they "fucked around" so much? After all, this was a major plot point. I don't know.
One thing I am aware is that that "Dutch" America should be Deutsch America, but there was quite a number of the Germans who settled in Oregon and Washington (both in the rain shadow and the greener parts):

To answer your question directly: Yes, German immigrants settled extensively across the Pacific Northwest (PNW), establishing prominent communities in both the arid "rain shadow" regions east of the Cascade Mountains and the lush, green western valleys. Driven west by aggressive transcontinental railroad recruitment in the 1880s, these settlers adapted their diverse agricultural traditions to the starkly different climates of the Northwest. [1]
Here is how German groups split between the two distinct geographical zones of the PNW:

1. The Arid "Rain Shadow" and Inland Plains (Eastern WA & OR)​

The Cascades block Pacific moisture, creating a massive rain shadow that leaves Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon dry and prairie-like. This climate was deeply familiar to one very specific and important group: the Volga Germans (or Germans from Russia). [2, 3, 4]

  • The Background: These were ethnic Germans who had spent a century farming the dry, open steppes of the Russian Volga River region under Catherine the Great. When Russia revoked their military exemptions and privileges in the 1870s, they fled to America. [5, 6]
  • The Settlement: Finding the Midwest too crowded or drought-prone, a major wave was lured to the PNW by railroad tycoon Henry Villard's Oregon Improvement Company and the Northern Pacific Railroad. [1, 3]
  • Key Communities: Led by pioneers like Johann Friedrich Rosenoff in 1883, they transformed the arid Big Bend and Palouse country. Towns like Ritzville, Walla Walla, Colfax, and Odessa in Washington became heavily German-Russian. [3, 7, 8]
  • The Impact: They brought dryland farming techniques that were perfect for the region, turning the dry rain shadow plains into one of the most productive wheat-producing regions in the world. [9]

2. The Greener Parts (Western WA, Western OR, & Cities)​

The rainy, fertile marine climate west of the Cascades attracted a different demographic—primarily "Reichsdeutsche" (immigrants arriving directly from the German states) who possessed skills in forestry, specialized farming, and urban commerce. [1, 9, 10]


  • The Valleys: German farmers flocked to Oregon's Willamette Valley and Washington's Puget Sound lowlands. They founded rural enclaves like Blooming, Oregon (near Cornelius). They quickly realized the damp, green climate was absolutely perfect for growing hops, barley, and fruit. German expertise in hop cultivation revolutionized the PNW agricultural economy. [1, 4, 9, 11, 12, 13]
  • The Cities: By 1890, Germans made up the largest European ethnic group in Portland and had massive communities in Seattle and Tacoma. Portland's Albina district became a major urban hub for both direct German immigrants and Volga Germans who preferred city labor over farming. They built churches, established German-language newspapers, and dominated the early Pacific Northwest logging and brewing industries (founding iconic regional names like Henry Weinhard beer). [3, 9, 14, 15, 16, 17]
Your reference to "Deutsch America" is spot on—while the Midwest is traditionally famous for its "German Belt," the late-19th-century expansion pushed that exact same cultural footprint all the way to the Pacific coast. [18]
If you would like to explore this history further, let me know if you want to focus on:


  • The specific route the Volga Germans took to get to the West Coast
  • How World War I anti-German sentiment affected these PNW communities
  • The history of the PNW brewing and logging industries founded by Germans [1, 9, 16, 18]

[1] https://content.libraries.wsu.edu
[2] https://mountwashington.org
[3] https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org
[4] https://www.facebook.com
[5] https://magazine.wsu.edu
[6] https://www.historycolorado.org
[7] https://www.volgagermans.org
[8] https://www.volgagermans.org
[9] https://scalar.usc.edu
[10] https://oasis.library.unlv.edu
[11] https://thebeenews.com
[12] https://www.volgagermans.org
[13] https://www.volgagermans.org
[14] https://www.youtube.com
[15] https://www.volgagermansportland.info
[16] https://magazine.wsu.edu
[17] https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu
[18] https://www.youtube.com
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Jobama dijo:
MCU for boomers.
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This is a perfect way to describe Sheridan slop.

Nobody here has talked about the utter ridiculousness that is Lioness. It is a bunch of girlbosses girlbossing it up but the second season basically just discarded the Lioness concept altogether by focusing on Zoe Saldana’s drama. The third season is supposed to start later this year. Anyway, Lioness is completely ridiculous as it is a wild and weird over exaggeration of the feds. Morgan Freeman plays the Secretary of State in an over the top way. The men in the show are either cartoonish supervillains or they are cartoonishly weak. Sheridan has absolutely no capability for nuance or complexity.

It’s good for a few laughs.
 
The Hardest R dijo:
This is a perfect way to describe Sheridan slop.

Nobody here has talked about the utter ridiculousness that is Lioness. It is a bunch of girlbosses girlbossing it up but the second season basically just discarded the Lioness concept altogether by focusing on Zoe Saldana’s drama. The third season is supposed to start later this year. Anyway, Lioness is completely ridiculous as it is a wild and weird over exaggeration of the feds. Morgan Freeman plays the Secretary of State in an over the top way. The men in the show are either cartoonish supervillains or they are cartoonishly weak. Sheridan has absolutely no capability for nuance or complexity.

It’s good for a few laughs.
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Gaylord Shit-ridden must have had a fuckload of wedgies and must have been shoved into lockers during his school days by boys who became competent men, I would assume. This made him become a TV Star where he simps for injuns, makes Whites as villains (except the main stars), there's the magical negros, and tries to convince of "gritty realism" with swearing atypical to the time period. Seriously, am I supposed to believe the Unionists were friendly with niggers in 19th century, when we see that during back in 20th century there was racial tensions? Nah.

I dunno, maybe he "kissed the ring" to get his flagship shows and had to toe the line - something he was more than happy to do so.
 
It’s also crazy how brown-coded Lioness is. It basically checks all the boxes:

- Hypercompetent brown girlboss successfully keeping it all together
- Lioness from the first season is a beaner who escaped from an abusive relationship. Apparently hispanic and arab women are interchangeable in the Sheridanverse
- Weak white husband who is a rich surgeon who has all his hair and will hold a candle for their marriage while she is globetrotting and girlbossing
- 14 year old mouthy daughter who actually gets pregnant from a white boy (the baby gets aborted)
- Hypercompetent black Secretary of State (Morgan Freeman) who just literally can’t with all these incompetent white underlings
- All that Lioness crap just gets tossed aside in the second season to just do whatever Sheridan feels like
- Lots of rambunctious white guys who will screw up and need the brown girlboss to keep it all together

It is just a girl power fantasy with this show. It is utterly incoherent past the first few episodes and it apparently got enough interest for a third season.
 
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I like Sicario, but most of his shows are just redneck soap operas. Which is fine, I like Tulsa King and Landman for what they are. They are the kind of shows you would see all the time in the late 2000s early 2010s but so much of what comes out is just awful they seem refreshing.
 
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