Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[anti SJW]

I don't think that's fair. Ryan Dancey and Monte Cook were big fans of AD&D. Dancey made the OGL (probably part of why he got fired) specifically so that D&D could live on regardless of what the corporate IP owner did. Mike Mearls went out of his way to engage with the OSR community to make 5e a better game and restructure the business strategy to make the game sustainable rather than just cynically milking a dwindling fanbase with rules expansions and frequent reboots. Of course, all those guys are gone. Anyone who had any affection at all for the classic game has been fired or run off.

I think they mean the current WOTC 5E staff.

 

[Ghostse]

I remember a discussion on RPG.net (pit of the underworld that it is) about paid GMs. Nascent capitalist that I was I saw no problem with it if players were willing to pay and given a GM can end up putting a huge amount of work into running a game. It was kind of a shrug thing for me. But by the gods did the concept make some people angry.

Hmm I hadn't even thought about that paid GMs are a thing, for me it would kill the fun it would stop being just a game and turn into work. No to mention that the info required to get paid is something I would rather not be giving out.

https://startplaying.games/

Its a thing. I found out about this because some faggot in SF was complaining that people thought his rate of $50 per player per hr was insane, and he just bitch-sobbed about the cost of living in SF ignoring that as a VOIP GM he could live anywhere not just the Faggot & street shitting capital of the US.

I haven't dicked around with it too much but as expected its pretty much just 5e, and over run with faggots and furries.

 

[Adamska]

I tend to think that at best, a GM should be paid or recompensed if they do it in an official role for tourneys or events. Maybe if you game in meatspace you get covered for gas or food if the main location isn't your own and it's a bit of a trip.

And even then I think it's scummy barring those official roles, since the point of it is it's a game and hobby you do with friends or people you sort of trust. The fucker crying about being laughed out of the market for 50 an hour deserves it. Fucker.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Maybe if you game in meatspace you get covered for gas or food if the main location isn't your own and it's a bit of a trip.

We have a rule: the GM never pays for food, no matter what we bring or order that day. After all, nobody can bribe the GM with food if everybody is bringing him food.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

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Truth

I don't think that's fair. Ryan Dancey and Monte Cook were big fans of AD&D. Dancey made the OGL (probably part of why he got fired) specifically so that D&D could live on regardless of what the corporate IP owner did. Mike Mearls went out of his way to engage with the OSR community to make 5e a better game and restructure the business strategy to make the game sustainable rather than just cynically milking a dwindling fanbase with rules expansions and frequent reboots. Of course, all those guys are gone. Anyone who had any affection at all for the classic game has been fired or run off.

I think they mean the current WOTC 5E staff.

He specifically cited 3e, the first edition of the game to come out after the WotC buyout. And Monte Cook? When TSR collapsed and WotC swooped in and bought them out, they made a specific effort to rehire the lion's share of the people that Williams had fired just prior to Christmas. Monte Cook was one of those people, he was a TSR staffer in good standing for years before the purchase. Say what you will, the WotC editions do have continuity with the TSR editions in staff if nothing else.

And is the jerkoff in that screencap actually saying about a game that uses a D20 resolution mechanic with a six attribute spread, armor classes, damage determined by variable dice, character races, character classes and hit points Not actually D&D. Jesus fucking Christ, I know we tell the Harry Potter people to read another book but the DnD only crowd needs to play another game.

 

[AnOminous]

I had a group where after a couple of such things I pretty much told them: "Look, you're not smart enough to play in one of my games and I don't want to dumb my game down enough for you to survive an adventure". And that was pretty much that.

They generally actually succeeded in the purported mission, the results were just generally disastrous anyway.

Like they'd get the MacGuffin but accidentally start a war.

The team had a bit of a habit of causing more than necessary collateral damage, but it was fun so I rolled with it.

https://startplaying.games/ Its a thing. I found out about this because some faggot in SF was complaining that people thought his rate of $50 per player per hr was insane, and he just bitch-sobbed about the cost of living in SF ignoring that as a VOIP GM he could live anywhere not just the Faggot & street shitting capital of the US.

Now that's just retarded. Tbh I could actually see a skilled, competent GM being worth $50/hr or even more if you had a bunch of players and nobody actually wanted to run the game, but on a per player basis? You're still just sitting on your ass for an hour. If anything, considering that the players are collaborating to create the story, too, it would result in less work.

 

[robobobo]

Yeah, 3rd ed was clearly born from AD&D, anybody claiming different is a filthy liar trying to score grognard points. 4th deviated significantly and got smacked down for it, 5th sort of came back in line, up until they went all in on faggotry and orc lives matter. Mechanically 5th isn't egregiously different, as there were still some actual game developers on board for it, but the new upcoming edition has clearly dialed up the fag to 11 with all of the idiotic changes they've publicized so far, proving that any lingering design talent is long gone.

Moreso than the core rules, the "adventures" they published are the real meat of what's retarded about D&D now, as they're wasting ink about being a fantasy Starbucks barista and having cooking contests and gay elf proms. That is what I would point at as proof that WotC has no fucking clue about making a game, not the core books.

 

[Ghostse]

I tend to think that at best, a GM should be paid or recompensed if they do it in an official role for tourneys or events. Maybe if you game in meatspace you get covered for gas or food if the main location isn't your own and it's a bit of a trip.

And even then I think it's scummy barring those official roles, since the point of it is it's a game and hobby you do with friends or people you sort of trust. The fucker crying about being laughed out of the market for 50 an hour deserves it. Fucker.

What I want is the opposite of this system: Charging users who DON'T show up to a session.
I should also add the faggot sobbing that he needed to charge $50 so he could continue to live in his coastal bugman hovel was intending this would be his full-time job. I would normally assume he was some sodomite's rent boy and looking for income and not gifts, but he looked like typical nerd so I think he was just retarded.

I thought about signing up as a beer money gig because if you are in a community where people put down actual money to play they might actually want to play the game. But then I realized the power dynamic would be all off - you had better be catering to your players special snowflakes teiflings when they are putting down $25 a week, and charging per-session encourages people to flake out on your campaign. They are paying to have their critical role dreams made reality and actually would have some grounds to be a little miffed when they don't don't.
The real nail in the coffin was I saw it was over run with 5e, faggots (I repeat myself), and furries (I repeat myself again) and decided there was zero point.

 

[Overly Serious]

Hmm I hadn't even thought about that paid GMs are a thing, for me it would kill the fun it would stop being just a game and turn into work. No to mention that the info required to get paid is something I would rather not be giving out.

I thought that was what you meant by freelance. No worries.

What I want is the opposite of this system: Charging users who DON'T show up to a session.

That would be nice because really that's the underlying problem - players who aren't really invested in the game and treat it like a TV show to turn on or off for their entertainment. There was a proposal to attach a small cost to sending an email. Nothing that would stop legitimate usage - if you're an individual you can afford the £1 a year you might spend on it and if you're a big corporation you can afford the few thousand you spend on it. But if you're a scam company firing out millions of emails to catch the 1 in 100,000 lowest hanging fruit then you're screwed because that's no longer economical.

It's not about the money. It's that some people don't value something they got for free.

 

[Brain Problems]

I know a guy who does this IRL via [shudder] Roll20. He does quite well for himself apparently and to his credit, knows his shit. I just don't personally ever envision myself being that fucking desperate to play D&D that I pay someone to DM, it feels vaguely antithetical to the notion of getting friends together including the DM but I won't judge anyone who partakes. That's for God to do.

He's also a shitlib who was going on about D&D having an issue with racism because of... Drow??? Oy vey.

 

[Chadikus Maximus]

https://startplaying.games/

Its a thing. I found out about this because some faggot in SF was complaining that people thought his rate of $50 per player per hr was insane, and he just bitch-sobbed about the cost of living in SF ignoring that as a VOIP GM he could live anywhere not just the Faggot & street shitting capital of the US.

I haven't dicked around with it too much but as expected its pretty much just 5e, and over run with faggots and furries.

Some thing tells me the market cap of the DMing industry is not big enough that one could comfortably live in the gilded toilet that is San Francisco .

I did have short lived attempt to use similar but free sites (mainly roll 20) to try and find games I just very quickly realized I would find a game only to get band any way by reflectively call some one a faggot for being a faggot

 

[The Ugly One]

I did have short lived attempt to use similar but free sites (mainly roll 20) to try and find games I just very quickly realized I would find a game only to get band any way by reflectively call some one a faggot for being a faggot

SJWs don't seem to realize there would be a lot less hate-speech online if they would stop acting like faggots and niggers.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

Yeah, 3rd ed was clearly born from AD&D, anybody claiming different is a filthy liar trying to score grognard points. 4th deviated significantly and got smacked down for it, 5th sort of came back in line, up until they went all in on faggotry and orc lives matter. Mechanically 5th isn't egregiously different, as there were still some actual game developers on board for it, but the new upcoming edition has clearly dialed up the fag to 11 with all of the idiotic changes they've publicized so far, proving that any lingering design talent is long gone.

Moreso than the core rules, the "adventures" they published are the real meat of what's retarded about D&D now, as they're wasting ink about being a fantasy Starbucks barista and having cooking contests and gay elf proms. That is what I would point at as proof that WotC has no fucking clue about making a game, not the core books.

If third edition was WotC's idea of what the modernization of DnD should be as an extension of ADnD, then fifth edition is the modernization of B/X which follows because the consultants that they brought in to work on the edition were OSR people and it shows. Aside from one sidebar about gender, there was just... stripped down DnD. 2014 WotC was a very different beast. 1997 WotC was an EXTREMELEY different beast.

 

[Ghostse]

He's also a shitlib who was going on about D&D having an issue with racism because of... Drow??? Oy vey.

That was the main thing, it looks like you need to be a degeneracy-advocating shit lib to keep paypigs coming back.
Plus the usual Tom Sawyer thing about fun vs. work

Aside from one sidebar about gender, there was just... stripped down

It was still overly complex with sub-classes, counter spell, and what not.
But the mechanics aren't terrible; as I said before I steal advantage for most of my games now, and the long rest healing is a good middle ground between 4e and 3e if you're doing Elf Superheroes.

 

[The Rockafire Explosion]

Not sure if this was already posted, mea culpa if so, but sweet Gruumsh 6E/One DnD or whatever the fuck they're calling it is so fucking gay. No more racial penalties! Everyone is good at everything! We all loved that part in Lord of the Rings when Gimli and Legolas were instantly friends and didn't need to overcome their deep seated racial hostilities and differences, they just insantly high fived and said "isn't it cool how we all have dark vision? Also, orc lives matter."

 

[Adamska]

Not sure if this was already posted, mea culpa if so, but sweet Gruumsh 6E/One DnD or whatever the fuck they're calling it is so fucking gay. No more racial penalties! Everyone is good at everything! We all loved that part in Lord of the Rings when Gimli and Legolas were instantly friends and didn't need to overcome their deep seated racial hostilities and differences, they just insantly high fived and said "isn't it cool how we all have dark vision? Also, orc lives matter."

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It's one part "them *slurs* can't fucking do math", one part "biology is racism", one part "this should match the local city in the Cultist Coast I'm in" and one part "oh good, now we don't have to try as hard".

It's as funny as these types belatedly realizing comparing black people to orcs looks retarded, so to continue to prove their own bigotry, they're now latino.

 

[Ghostse]

It's one part "them *slurs* can't fucking do math", one part "biology is racism", one part "this should match the local city in the Cultist Coast I'm in" and one part "oh good, now we don't have to try as hard".

Its part of the reason I don't like 5e's subclasses. There are no drawbacks to picking a subclass except you didn't pick the most powerleveled one.

When you turn all the races - sorry Ancestries - into just what advantages you want it makes them all boring. Hell I felt that 4e's races were way to fucking balanced and so felt really underwhelming, and they at least had some good variation.

My ideal character builder goes Race, Bloodline/Ancestry, Background, Class.
Drow base race has sunlight sensitivity but darkvision. If you want the Drow in your world to not just be cave dwellers, maybe you have a Bloodline where the surface drow lost their sensitivity to sunlight but their dark vision has degraded to low-light vision. Or maybe your particular Drow escaped the surface at a young age, so his background removes/reduces the sunlight penalty but now Drow & underdark classes/class options are off limits. Or maybe he's a Underdark Stratonaut- a class available only to underdark races, that specializes in exploring the upper tiers of the underdark and the surface (basically a ranger), and as a Stratonaut received training to deal with the horrible sun, and removes his Sunlight penalty at like lvl 2 or something.
Or maybe have alternate feats/class options for Ranger (or another class focused on exploration/survival in harsh conditions) where instead of taking one of the other Ranger perks he instead gets sunlight sensitivity reduced/removed.

 

[The Ugly One]

Not sure if this was already posted, mea culpa if so, but sweet Gruumsh 6E/One DnD or whatever the fuck they're calling it is so fucking gay. No more racial penalties! Everyone is good at everything! We all loved that part in Lord of the Rings when Gimli and Legolas were instantly friends and didn't need to overcome their deep seated racial hostilities and differences, they just insantly high fived and said "isn't it cool how we all have dark vision? Also, orc lives matter."

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"Why are these creatures who are the size of literal children slower than full-sized humans? It doesn't make sense!"

 

[LovisXVI]

Drow base race has sunlight sensitivity but darkvision. If you want the Drow in your world to not just be cave dwellers, maybe you have a Bloodline where the surface drow lost their sensitivity to sunlight but their dark vision has degraded to low-light vision. Or maybe your particular Drow escaped the surface at a young age, so his background removes/reduces the sunlight penalty but now Drow classes/class options are off limits.

Yeah but then you would have meaningful roleplay decisions attached to mechanics, which we can't have. Gets in the way of gay diversity fantasies.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Not sure if this was already posted, mea culpa if so, but sweet Gruumsh 6E/One DnD or whatever the fuck they're calling it is so fucking gay. No more racial penalties! Everyone is good at everything! We all loved that part in Lord of the Rings when Gimli and Legolas were instantly friends and didn't need to overcome their deep seated racial hostilities and differences, they just insantly high fived and said "isn't it cool how we all have dark vision? Also, orc lives matter."

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