Culture T.Rex may have been capable of problem-solving and even culture, study claims. - Jurassic Park wrong again

Daily Mail: T.Rex may have been capable of problem-solving and even culture, study claims.


When you think about Tyrannosaurus Rex, you may imagine a roaring beast crashing through trees or tearing at its prey.

However, a more realistic image may involve the theropod dinosaur carefully crafting a fork with which to pick at a carcass, or peacefully interacting with its friends.


That's because new research from Vanderbilt University in the US has revealed that T. Rex may have had the same number of brain neurons as modern primates.


If this was the case, it would have been able to solve problems, create tools to use and even engage in cultural behaviours.


New research from Vanderbilt University in the USA has revealed that T. rex (pictured) may have had the same number of brain neurons as modern primates




WHAT WAS T. REX?
Tyrannosaurus rex was a species of bird-like, meat-eating dinosaur.

It lived between 68–66 million years ago in what is now the western side of North America.

They could reach up to 40 feet (12 metres) long and 12 feet (4 metres) tall.

More than 50 fossilised specimens of T. Rex have been collected to date.

The monstrous animal had one of the strongest bites in the animal kingdom.



Dinosaurs ruled Earth from some 179 million years, before suddenly being wiped out in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event around around 66 million years ago.

Prior to that, certain species had evolved bird-like features, like feathers, wings, claws and enlarged skulls.

This was a gradual process that started 100 million years ago and spanned tens of millions more.

It is thought that the small body size of some of these bird-like species is what helped them dodge extinction, and allowed them to evolve into modern birds.

As the soft tissues of dinosaurs are rarely preserved in fossils, not much is definitively known about their brains.

However, as they are known to be related to birds, information about them could be drawn from the brains of today's emus and ostriches.

For the study, published in The Journal Of Comparative Neurology, Dr Suzana Herculano-Houzel aimed to discover the cognitive capabilities of dinosaurs like T. Rex by looking at the brains of modern sauropsids - birds, turtles and scaled reptiles.

Recent studies have revealed that, despite their small heads, birds are intelligent.

For example, Eurasian jays are able to resist temptation to get a better reward, while crows have been described as being as smart as seven-year-olds.

Birds have been found to have more neurons per ounce of brain compared to mammals and primates, giving them the ability to solve problems.



Dr Herculano-Houzel studied the fossilised skulls of theropods - a group of bipedal dinosaurs that includes T. Rex - and existing sauropsids using CT scans.

She deduced that the dinosaurs would have had a similar brain mass to birds of the same size that can be traced back to pre-asteroid times.

Therefore, the neuroscientist could make assumptions about the T. Rex's brain by scaling up that of an emu, ostrich or chicken, as they are in proportion.

She next calculated how many neurons theropods would have had using the number and brain mass known to be possessed by sauropsids.


Relationship between neuron number and body mass for dinosaurs and modern animals. Asterisks = dinosaurs, Red polygons = modern birds, Green stitches = modern non-avian sauropsids, Red circles = primates

Estimates of numbers of neurons in dinosaur and pterosaur species compared to modern primates. Values below each image are numbers of telencephalic neurons (in millions, M) and brain mass (in grams)
Her findings suggest that T. Rex would have had a brain mass of 343 grams and 3,289,000,000 telencephalic neurons, not far from the 2,875,000,000 found in baboons.

A separate study by Dr Herculano-Houzel found that the number of neurons in warm-blooded animals correlates to their life expectancy by a mathematical equation.

Using this equation, she suggests that the T. Rex would have lived for between 42 and 49 years, despite the oldest known specimen estimated to have lived to 28 years.

In her study, she wrote: 'An elephant-sized but agile carnivoran biped endowed with macaque- or baboon-like cognition must have been an extremely competent predator indeed.

'The present findings invite the speculation that theropod dinosaurs such as T. Rex, with even more telencephalic neurons than modern tool-using and tool-making corvids, had the biological capability to use and craft tools, and develop a culture, like modern birds and primates.'


The infamous Tyrannosaurus Rex - or T. rex - could have weighed up to 33,000lb (15,000 kg) when it roamed the Earth.

This is just over the weight of two elephants, or a London double-decker bus, and is 70 per cent more than previously thought.

Researchers from the Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa built a model that predicted the maximum size of the prehistoric beast.

So far, only 32 adult T. rex specimens have been discovered out of an estimated population of 2.5 billion.

The largest of these is 'Scotty', who weighed more than 19,400lb (8,800 kg) and was more than 42ft (13 m) long when it roamed what is now the western side of North America between 68 and 66 million years ago.

However, researchers say the specimens discovered may not be an accurate representation of the species, and that undiscovered individuals may have been much larger.
 
No, The Lost World just shits on the idea of T. Rexes having retard vision with no explanation for what happened to Grant in Jurassic Park. Crichton didn't want to write a sequel and put a lot of stuff into that sequel that deliberately creates inconsistencies, plot holes, hanging threads etc.
The most I remember 20 years after reading was wishing they'd get to the island in the first hundred pages and once they got on wish they never went. The ending was something that just sort of happened too if I'm right (girl notices internet cables leading to a tunnel to a boat???)

One good thing I recall at least was Sega taking the cool chameleon like Carnotaurus' for a boss battle in that awesome arcade game.
 
No, The Lost World just shits on the idea of T. Rexes having retard vision with no explanation for what happened to Grant in Jurassic Park. Crichton didn't want to write a sequel and put a lot of stuff into that sequel that deliberately creates inconsistencies, plot holes, hanging threads etc.
The theme of The Lost World is the tentative nature of science and the value of skepticism, even skepticism of scientific authorities. It's encapsulated in the phlogiston dialogue at the end. Grant being flat out wrong about T-rexes is an example of that theme.
 
T-rexes had culture you say? Bullshit, it was just fossil remains of gorn trapped in a mudslide while they were getting ready for their new years eve party
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People assuming things based on million year old rocks. Science is a joke.
 
The most I remember 20 years after reading was wishing they'd get to the island in the first hundred pages and once they got on wish they never went. The ending was something that just sort of happened too if I'm right (girl notices internet cables leading to a tunnel to a boat???)
I haven't finished reading the book. Last scene I had read was one of the T-Rexes wiping its sticky anal scent glands on the hood of the Jeep and I honestly don't know if this comes back to haunt them later.
 
To be fair, it propably was smart enough to come up with hunting strategies.

I think the study, if correct, is measuring a part of the brain that isn't the part that governs the body.

But no way a T-rex can make tools. Same problem as with Dolphins, they may envision a club, but they got no hands to make it with.

It was propably as smart as any apex predator, like a lion or a tiger or a wolf. It also had amazing eyesight and smell.

Police should get a time machine and train them to police niggos. I bet it could smell crack and meth from miles.
 
The infamous Tyrannosaurus Rex - or T. rex - could have weighed up to 33,000lb (15,000 kg) when it roamed the Earth.

This is just over the weight of two elephants, or a London double-decker bus, and is 70 per cent more than previously thought.

Researchers from the Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa built a model that predicted the maximum size of the prehistoric beast.

So far, only 32 adult T. rex specimens have been discovered out of an estimated population of 2.5 billion.

The largest of these is 'Scotty', who weighed more than 19,400lb (8,800 kg) and was more than 42ft (13 m) long when it roamed what is now the western side of North America between 68 and 66 million years ago.

However, researchers say the specimens discovered may not be an accurate representation of the species, and that undiscovered individuals may have been much larger.
Maybe they also could fly and talk... who wrote this shit?


In the book, Muldoon the head ranger mentions just how ridiculously hard to kill dinosaurs and especially raptors are. He has to special order what's essentially a small anti tank rocket launcher to kill them as single shot hunting firearms wouldn't cut it and even machine guns needed to put a lot of rounds into them to kill them.
Raptors are just Emus that want to eat you... just use a big shotgun---

But no way a T-rex can make tools. Same problem as with Dolphins, they may envision a club, but they got no hands to make it with.
well birds can have something like culture, do use tools and are pretty good at problem solving.
 
I saw this article as well. It's pretty interesting.

But everyone knows Dinosaurs weren't real and the bones people find were put there by Satan to make us question the existence of God.
Why were you looking up T-Rexes, OP? Your profile pic and username are a little bit sus 👀
I saw the article and I never looked anything up. But I do watch a lot of stuff about dinosaurs on YouTube
Wasn’t that a result of them using frog DNA? The reasoning is glossed over in the movie. I believe the idea was abandoned in the following novel/media.
The movie doesn't go into as much detail as the book. The book is better. I read it back in the 90's as a kid after seeing the movie. I like the movie but the novel is better.
From what I've heard, Michael Crichton was guessing in some of the Jurassic Park novels. For example, the "their vision is based on movement" notion.

I don't hold that against him, though. Before Jurassic Park, paleontology wasn't much more than a niche science. It boomed in popularity afterward.

Sure, Crichton was wrong on some things, but he was working with what was known at the time. It'd be like judging Jules Verne for not knowing theories developed by Einstein or Hawking.
It was just a plot point. In the novel the Rex had vision based on movement because of the frog DNA not naturally. This also made the dinosaurs able to switch sex and breed. This was explained in the movie but they made it seem like the Rex had vision dependent on movement. That's not the case at all. The real-life Rex had excellent vision and a pretty good sense of smell. I have heard vision as good as an eagle.
No, the frog DNA was to fill some gaps in their genetic code. But some African frogs can apparently troon themselves if they are in an environment overwhelmed by one sex. So the dinosaurs in JP, which were supposed to be all-female, were able to troon themselves and reproduce.

Though I highly doubt that would translate to an entirely different species. Sorry, trannies.
This. But the movie never explained that for the Rex. They just made it seem like it was that way in real life. In the book they explained this. It also wasn't the only dinosaur in the book with that issue. There was a species of Hadrosaur that also had vision that was based on movement.
 
From what I've heard, Michael Crichton was guessing in some of the Jurassic Park novels. For example, the "their vision is based on movement" notion.

I don't hold that against him, though. Before Jurassic Park, paleontology wasn't much more than a niche science. It boomed in popularity afterward.

Sure, Crichton was wrong on some things, but he was working with what was known at the time. It'd be like judging Jules Verne for not knowing theories developed by Einstein or Hawking.
Crichton used expert opinions for most of his books, but the field of paleontology changes constantly, and speculation is often presented as fact. For example the experts can't agree on if Spinosaurus was semi aquativ or not, or which dinosaurs had feathers. T-Rex was for the last 15 years soeculated to have feathers, but then an expert looked into it and presented the opinion that t-rex has too much mass to actually benefit from a feather coat, and would in fact gave been burdened
 
Yep and they flew around propelled by rainbow farts and sneezed sprinkles too!
 
I saw the article and I never looked anything up. But I do watch a lot of stuff about dinosaurs on YouTube
I wasn't insinuating everyone who clicked on the article is a furry lmao. I was talking about the person who posted the thread, because their profile looks like this:

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