Stranger Things

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I Hate The Disabled dijo:
It's Netflix that's fucking everything up. They did the same thing with Squid Games. 1st season was kino. First half of the 2nd season was pretty good, and then Netflix producers stepped in and raped the show analy while pouring sugar in the gas-tank for the last half
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I don't think the execs are at fault here.

I've seen this type of thing happen very often.
A creator/writer has a good initial concept and somehow finds success. But, most of them lack true talent, so when they're forced to expand and finish on that initial good idea, they flop hard.

I've seen this happen too many times for me to handwave it away as just exec interference. It's just hacks biting more then they can chew.
 
Finished the series yesterday. My thoughts:

The first season was great, and there were some good scenes spread throughout but it honestly feels like the original was just lightning in a bottle.

Like the white walker fight in GOT the takedown of Vecna just fell flat. All that build up for nothing. One of the things I liked about Welcome to Derry is that no one is safe (except for the ones who are canonically known to survive) and the twist that IT perceives time all at once means that even they are not safe (since each season is actually going back 27 years). Also glad that that show is anthology and has a different cast each season.

The biggest fail for me was the 18 month time skip, and the no consequences from the military. Nancy, Murray and the cop killed a bunch of people and there’s no consequence.

I could kind of believe it if they did something ala IT where Vecna had a hold on the town while the upside down was connecting him and then once the bridge broke, people started to forget and move on. But the reveal Mike becomes a writer and writes these stories negates it.

All in all it was a good series but this last one felt rushed and half baked. I’d maybe rewatch the first season but wouldn’t commit to it again.
 
Things they could have done better with season 5, if we can call it even that:

- Killed Max during Holly's rescue. She would be the sacrifical lamb, we wouldn't need to have to skip 15 to 30 minutes of Max- Uninspired Token Black content. I don't even know his name.

- Given those additional 15 to 30 minutes I cited above to the final fight, with demogorgons and all sorts of creepy crawlers being birthed by the Mind Flayer to attack, only to have the Hive Mind AIDSMan (Will) sacrifice himself to cripple both Mind Flayer and the demogorgons. His ending was fucking atrocious, for all that they hyped his supa powers.

- Spared Eleven if they wanted, but in all honesty, she should have died as a sacrifice, and Kali or whatever could have been shot dead by the military.

- Given less air time to Dustin who became the Retard le 51% Face Gary Stu.
 
Estate dijo:
A creator/writer has a good initial concept and somehow finds success. But, most of them lack true talent, so when they're forced to expand and finish on that initial good idea, they flop hard.
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Remember that the Duffer hacks were sued for plagiarising the idea for Stranger Things and allegedly paid the people who sued them a huge amount of money to stop the lawsuits.
 
To show the steep decline in quality, this was from LAST SEASON mind you, and is arguably the best scene from the entire series, sure Season 4 has alot of flaws, but this wasn't it.

after this scene, its a steady decline into the Abyss, and Season 5 is a fucking nosedive, theres absolutely nothing like this scene anywhere in the final battle, which is comically without stakes despite how much danger the teens and Mom should be in, and beyond that, there's none of this cinematography here left in the show by Season 5.

Truly a baffling drop, but hey this one was good so they'll always have that.

 
I didn't see anyone else post this yet, so I apologize if this is a re-post.
After S4, I had pretty high hopes for S5, especially due to all the DnD lore tie-ins and parallels. I posted about that and my theory further up-thread after S4 dropped.
And then S5 dropped and I, like most people who were actually paying attention, went "WTF is this shit??"
They somehow almost completely abandoned the lore and cannon from S1-4 in favor of following a new timeline, based on a Broadway show the vast majority of us had no idea existed, and even less watched it.
Like I said....WTF.

As the trainwreck of episodes dropped the past 6 weeks, and entire backstories were either ignored or completely ret-conned, my hopes for them righting the ship dwindled like the amount of monsters in the Upside Down.

I watched the finale twice: Once the first time when I was expecting answers, sacrifice, and a massive boss battle that would provide closure. We got none of that, so I was pretty pissed. When I watched it the second time, I knew nothing was going to happen, so I just paid attention to all the poorly-time "discussion" scenes between the characters. TBH. they weren't as bad as the ones in E7. And the wrap-up epilogue that Mike gives at the end kind explained what happened to everyone. But, there were still way too much sloppy writing and MASSIVE plot holes and plot armor that we were all supposed to just ignore and/or look past for me to have anything but "meh" feelings towards the whole show.

Then my friend sent me this. It's a theory about what was ACTUALLY happening in the show:

ST was always a DnD campaign...

Basically, S1-S5 are all chapters in a single DnD Campaign.
The only real people in the show are Mike, Will, Max Lucas, and Dustin.
Everyone else was an NPC in the game.
Now, as someone who played DnD the better part of 40 years, I have played in more than my fair share of campaigns that lasted 2+ years in real-time. And, it is not uncommon for the rules to "change" over time; the DM "forgets" their rules declaration from 2 years and 15 levels ago, new rules clarifications exist, or just simple DM discretion. It's the DMs job to make things challenging for the players while still making fun for them at the same time. And, LOTs of times, that requires the DM to "nerf" some rolls or some stats.
When it becomes obvious that the players have backed themselves into a corner, sometimes a few natural 20s are needed to throw them a lifeline without them knowing it. This would explain all of the weird inconsistencies between the seasons. This would explain some of the ridiculous violations of common physics that was littered throughout S5. This would explain how certain characters (Murray) were able to just show up with just the right tools to accomplish whatever the gang's current plan called for. This would explain the lack of anyone else in Hawkins. Supposedly, they are under military quarantine, yet the schools are all normal...the hospital is all normal, and the kids can basically roam around town whenever and wherever they want. If I am in a DnD town that supposedly has 10k inhabitants, the players don't need to know about every single person they pass on the street. All they need to know about is their party-members and whatever NPC is next on their "quest-list".
It honesty makes the most sense in explaining the mess that S5 was.
 
Really, Stranger Things Season 1 was a more or less complete story, and the following seasons really went nowhere. A lot of noise leading up to Marvel Cinematic Universe-style CGI sludge "epic" spectacle, the sort of garbage that had probably a lot of effort put into it for something so ultimately pedestrian and generic. Of course, the people who can only consume "media" that's made up of EPIC HYPE MOMENTS are insisting Millie Brown dodging a CGI monster's attacks that look like something straight of one of those Resident Evil movies starring Milla Jovovich if an installment had been produced just last year, and taking the fake unconvincing leap into it's chest vagina or whatever and pulling off some sort of telekinetic Wolverine-claws move was AWESOME.
 
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>villain lost because he's retarded

lol
 
I was fine with them killing Vecna, but the Mind Flayer, being some cosmic horror, shouldn't have been killable. The way to deal with it should've been to flee, and sever its connection to Earth, trapping it in its piss yellow Hellscape. Speaking of which, I guess all the FX budget went to making the Mind Flayer, since it clearly didn't go to the backgrounds.

Best part of the whole season was when they were down in Mike's basement playing DnD for the last time, before going their separate ways. Wolfhard really got shafted this season. I liked his performance in that scene, but the rest of the time, he was just kind of hanging around, not doing much of anything, while everybody bickered until somebody like, looked at a Dorito and had a "eureka!" moment, about how they'd need to triangulate a signal or some shit

Overall, dogshit season of characters info-dumping at each other, with an ending that will almost definitely lead into a movie down the line. They should've axed like half the cast, and kept the focus on the kids it started with + Sadie Sink. Robin annoyed the fuck out of me, and Vicky was just Robin-if-she-ginger, and they both should've died. I wish Jonathon, and maybe Nancy, bit it, too, but the Duffers didn't have the balls to kill anyone that fans would get upset about. My boy, Derek, was the only addition I actually enjoyed. Absolute waste of time that I only really watched because I like the first season, and wanted to see how they wrapped it all up
 
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The Doom Slayer dijo:
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>villain lost because he's retarded

lol
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Like I said, Duffers are hacks.

Mindflayer pulled some ninja shit in S3, infecting people, and coordinating that infection with just strands of magic goo, but in the last season he's just a retarded bug.
Let's not even talk about Nancy using an assault rifle against that massive monster. We're supposed to believe this world ending threat feels those mosquito bites and then some fags with Molotovs can hurt it? Even if the worlds merge, send a couple of jets and bomb that fucker.
Also, if it's a different dimension, how did we get the magic rock that started everything?! ITS ALL SO FUCKING STUPID!

The idea behind a group of adventures fighting a world ending thread is that conventional means do not work. It's the reason why Frodo did the journey and why Luke had to shoot the vent.
YOU CANNOT FUCKING BRUTE FORCE THE CONFRONTATION! And yes, that anglo skank waving her hands and making a stupid face with her magic bullshit, it's brute forcing.
I am sick and tired of fucking midwits given the opportunity to make garbage. We are drowning in slop and it will get worse, because in a few years, the slop we'll see then, will make this absolute pile of shit seem brilliant by comparison.
 
Gaear Grimsrud dijo:
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/stranger-things-climactic-battle-went-too-far/

Killing Vecna is celebrating violence, or something.
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Vecna had to die. No one disputes that.
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What should have been a moment of catharsis as the characters bring their nightmare to an end instead plays like a community indulging its lust for violence. The presentation of the scene emphasizes retribution and the destruction of an outsider, undermining the good feelings that the scene should have evoked.
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But instead, the combination of a wrong done followed by a blow of the axe makes the scene feel like a celebration of retributive violence.
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By building Vecna’s death scene around the rhythm of remembering grievances and Joyce’s ax strikes, the climax emphasizes retributive violence...Instead, the scene emphasizes the dismembering, suggesting that healing comes only through retribution through blood.
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The concept of a community inflicting distributive violence against a single person undermines much of the appeal of Stranger Things, which is to watch how the oddball main characters find a community among one another.
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He probably wanted the villain to be defeated by bullying like in It: Chapter Two.
 
I think it would have been hilarious if in the end, it was a actual DnD game with Mike, Dustin, Max, Will, Lucas and one other player we never seen before.

That player would have played the characters that died every season. Barb, Bob, Grigori and Eddie. Have a joke how his bad character decisions and bad luck on the die rolls made him get his character killed.
 
the printer is outo fink dijo:
Netflix has a specific name for this; second screen shows. And they have a writing policy for shows with this designation where writers are instructed to show and tell, then tell again. The presumption is that viewers are paying more attention to their phone/laptop and the Netflix show is on their second screen. I don't think this writing style was going on too much in the earlier series of ST but it was blatant in series five. Exposition was repeated over and over and there were flashbacks to events that happened earlier in the same episode.

It's very annoying to watch when you actually want to just watch the episode because it completely negates any possibility of immersion.
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This is actually really interesting information, thanks! I'm currently watching ("watching") Season 5, while checking Kiwifarms on my phone.

I'd probably be pretty pissed if I was still invested in the show, or in anything Netflix does really, but it's nice to know that Netflix thinks as little of their products as I do, and plans ahead accordingly.
 
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