Stranger Things

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I don't understand why showrunners are gutting their shows right at the finish line.
Feels like a combination of not caring anymore because they have a captive audience (why try when you know the fanbase will tune in no matter what shit you shove in front of them?) and possibly distain/resentment of the fanbase. This could be for a myriad of reasons. Maybe the showrunners had a certain demographic in mind for who they envisioned their audience would be, but it attracted something else (MLP:FiM got the Bronies, Supernatural got the fujos, you get it). Or it's the behavior of those subsets of fans that make the showrunners want to punish them through the show (but then end up punishing everyone, sucks).
 
Last season was 10 hours and they probably could have shrunk it down to between 3/4. The military just fucking off with no bother is some lazy writing, in a very lazy last season.

I look forward to the meme of Winona chopping at Vecna's neck for ten minutes without his head popping off.
 
Notes so far:

* For people who keep pressing on how the world is just about to end, somehow a lot of them are taking time to stop and have huge dramatic speeches about their interpersonal relationships instead of going ‘yeah let’s hurry and finish that shit up’

* I know giving Joyce the kill was like, an attempt to go full circle since she was the main character in the first season etc, but they really overplayed it and it just came off as retarded.

* Prince has forever been sullied. No fucking way he would have agreed to have his music in this shit.

* Why are they driving around ignoring the military and acting like they are not completely fucked if they get caught even if they just saved the world? They even see military jeeps and are just laughing about it… are they retarded?

* Defeating the Big Bad and Eleven killer herself off with 50 minutes left to the finale is… a choice, I guess. In any other show I would assume that she’s not actually dead, but considering how pissed she seemed when asked what she thought about the ending of her character and that she didn’t even show up to the cast finale watch party… I guess that’s it.

* Hilarious enough, all of the clever conspiracies we’ve seen online were obviously all fake. They all would have made the end (and even the season in retrospect) much better, but nope. It was far too clever for the Duffer or whatever their name is brothers.

What a shit show.

Edit: holy fucking shit, 45 minutes of wrapping up characters stories? Nah, fuck that. I’m out.
 
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I found the finale considerably more watchable than Volume 2, but I would never treat it as anything above "somewhat passable." With how the previous episode left off, this felt relatively satisfying. Here are a few details that stood out to me.

Pros:
-The cast mostly receives fitting endings.
-I appreciate the fakeout redemption for Henry. I was half-expecting them to pull a Steven Universe with this supernatural child predator through the nihilistic "shades of grey" morality plaguing modern fiction, and I have to give the writers props for acknowledging that bad people exist and make bad decisions.
-The final battle is fun, and I'm glad that Joyce got the final blow. (Admittedly, everyone else just standing around when Vecna was breathing was incredibly contrived, though.)


Cons:
-Will still acts flamboyantly, which hurts every scene he is in.
-Where's the Mind Flayer's army? Aside from the Mind Flayer, there's no Dimension X wildlife in Dimension X or the Upside Down, when they would be a huge asset for the bad guys. It makes me wonder if they cut some action scenes for time or budget.
-Splitting Jonathon and Nancy makes their portrayal in the past four seasons feel like even more of a waste of time than it already is.
-Once the children escape, Vecna never recaptures them, which places a dampener on the stakes.
-There's no real resolution for Dr. Kay and these corrupt psychic children programs. No change of heart or ongoing campaign to change the system. She could still be killing people with blood transfusions, for all the audience is shown.
-The epilogue meanders. If everyone simply reunited and caught up at the graduation ceremony before closing with the D&D scene to tie up loose ends, it would be great, but the writers didn't do that.


Overall, I actually felt something while watching it, but I believe that stemmed from a fondness for how this show started and the potential it once had.
 
I have seen the first 3 episodes of Season 5 now.

The pacing is horrrrrrible. Too many scenes of the characters bitching at each other in between the few scenes where something actually happens.

We didn't need 2.5 episodes to show off this big "revelation" that Vecna took Holly either. Give me a damn break.

Update: I'm past the half way point of the season and I fucking hate it so far. It's meandering worse than even the worst Walking Dead season, for crying out loud. Fortunately I've been watching it with my husband and so we've been having fun absolutely dunking on it MST3K style. I'm not miserable, I'm just laughing at the trainwreck.

The Duffer Brothers had almost 4 fucking years to make this a remotely satisfying ending. Think about that for a second. lol.
 
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How the fuck do untrained kids and a sheriff kill a bunch of US soldiers without getting a scratch? Pretty sure 5.56 would go through that truck. A couple of them inside should have been shot. This show is so schlocky.

It's amazing how grounded the first series was. I think most of the effects were practical, and they limited the use of CGI. This season is chock full of so much CGI. About to watch the finale. It's all pretty meh. I haven't hated it, but I don't love it.
 
I don't really have a whole lot of insightful things to say after binging episodes 5-8 today, other than it was fine. I'm sure if anyone wanted to do break the series down in autistic detail you could find things to complain about, but it would probably be wasted effort (anyone expecting the show to change radically this far in is a retard). In terms of seasons of tv that make me MATI, this wasn't one of them.

This was pretty much my take after finishing the finale. The last season felt like nothing happened up until the final episode: I honestly thought it was going to be an atrocious ending.

I’m glad they brought back the Mind Flayer as the reason for all of this but the idea that he’s just a gigantic flesh spider that lives on a desert planet is weak. It was defeated by a bunch of kids throwing Molotovs at it and stabbing it with knives on broom handles. It was better as an eldritch being that was beyond our understanding. The design of it, much like the rest of the creature design, was ‘cool,’ but I’m not really intimidated by a world-eating monster that could get its shit pushed in by the first napalm bomb dropped on it as soon as it crosses into our world.

Glad they did not opt for a Henry redemption arc and he remained ‘loyal’ to the Mind Flayer until the end.

I enjoyed the long epilogue. It meandered in parts but I liked some of the callbacks - like Dustin honoring Eddie by doing exactly what he said he’d do. The kids playing one last game of D&D and being replaced by the new generation (who are fucking awful and I’m glad we’re done with them, but I like the meaning behind it) was well done.

Admittedly such a long epilogue wouldn’t have been necessary without the cast creep. (What happened to Murray? Fuck Murray, none of my homies care about Murray.)

I’ve been severely disappointed by most TV finales as of late. I can appreciate the ambiguity of Eleven’s death and not just spoonfeeding the audience if she’s alive or not. I can also appreciate the attempt at a ‘cozy’ ending for a cast of characters that have had fucked up childhoods. I cannot appreciate how rushed the final boss fight was and how it felt like the writers had no idea how they actually wanted to kill Vecna nor the Mind Flayer.

I was ready to give the ending a solid 6.5/10, but then Maya Hawke had to be a prominent part of it, so getting downgraded to a 5.5/10.
 
So, here's a little fun fact.
One of the main stars of Stranger Things, Finn Wolfhard, recently announced his "love" for The Last Jedi and how underrated it is for its willingness to try new ideas.

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Yes, he praises the same movie that divided the Star Wars fan base and practically killed the franchise.
The same movie that humiliates the OG hero of the first trilogy, Luke Skywalker, just to prop up Rey Palpatine.
The same film that's known for the infamous line "Let the past die, Kill it, if you have to."

Not really a surprise that Stranger Things devolved into the train wreck it did, given that this is one of their actors' inspirations.
 
Something just occurred to me.

The psychic jeeta (I forget her name) was presumably created from the same stock of children that got Henry's blood donations. Instead of telekinesis and sorta-kinda telepathy, she has illusion powers. But the thing is, if she has them wouldn't that mean that the original donor (Henry) also has them? In that case, how the fuck do her powers work on Vecna? Actually come to think of it, how the fuck do her powers even work when she is INSIDE someone else's mind? This isn't her blinding someone's brain to real-life objects, this is her blinding someone's brain to what's going on inside said brain...somehow.
 
I don't really have a whole lot of insightful things to say after binging episodes 5-8 today, other than it was fine. I'm sure if anyone wanted to do break the series down in autistic detail you could find things to complain about, but it would probably be wasted effort (anyone expecting the show to change radically this far in is a retard). In terms of seasons of tv that make me MATI, this wasn't one of them.

I agree. It was fine. It really is carried by fun mostly likeable characters. It's been mentioned but it really does feel like it was written by Netflix and the actors agents so they all get equal screen time which has padded out episodes and ruined the pacing. It also suffers from having too many characters. I think Season 1 was such a high that everything since then has been a pale imitation.
 
So the song in the finale that was never in a movie before was one that was in Prince's movie, Purple Rain? Did they just forget that movie existed? Totally 80s dudes, tubular!
Lots of people say that Steve had this huge character change between seasons 1 and 2 and how be became a better person, but fuck that ... Steve was a good dude from the beginning.
This was the same thing with Game of Thrones because everyone had an idea of what they wanted the blonde lady to be that wasn't supported by what she was on screen. They only saw this badass girl boss slave-freeing slay queen and ignored how she was a petulant asshole who imposed her views on everyone else's societies and left a trail of destruction behind her just to collect titles like "Breaker of Chains" or whatever it was. She never changed from what she was from like as early as the 2nd season but everyone acted shocked.

Reddit people identified with the weirdo taking creeper pics more than they did with Steve so they didn't notice he was the most heroic of them all until that second season but he didn't change one bit.

I'm looking forward to seeing all of the angry responses tomorrow then everyone immediately forgetting this show ever existed.
 
So does Steve live? Or?

I’m not wasting my time with this
To my understanding everyone lives, and the final battle is void of any suspense or excitement. lol.

This was the same thing with Game of Thrones because everyone had an idea of what they wanted the blonde lady to be that wasn't supported by what she was on screen. They only saw this badass girl boss slave-freeing slay queen and ignored how she was a petulant asshole who imposed her views on everyone else's societies and left a trail of destruction behind her just to collect titles like "Breaker of Chains" or whatever it was. She never changed from what she was from like as early as the 2nd season but everyone acted shocked.

Reddit people identified with the weirdo taking creeper pics more than they did with Steve so they didn't notice he was the most heroic of them all until that second season but he didn't change one bit.

I'm looking forward to seeing all of the angry responses tomorrow then everyone immediately forgetting this show ever existed.
TV show Dany is different from book Dany, but I do totally agree with you. For several seasons, I thought that Dany acted very entitled throughout the show and she annoyed me a lot. That said, the catalyst that caused her to finally "snap" from outta nowhere was laughable.

And, right? Steve was a good dude from the get-go. For some reason people paint Steve as this asshole in season 1 because of how other people acted? It wasn't Steve's fault at all that Barb died either-- it was entirely Nancy's.

I'll defend season 1 Steve tooth and nail. Steve wasn't only justified in breaking Jonathan's camera, Steve would have been justified beating Jonathan to a bloody pulp if he had wanted to do so. And the whole "slut shaming" billboard towards Nancy? Yeah, well, Nancy did, in fact, cheat on him with Jonathan and acted like it was his fault. You flip the genders on this situation and everyone would be like "Yaassss queen, expose the cheater!"
 
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