Stranger Things

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Stranger Things is supposed to be science-fiction and Eleven and One's psychic powers are supposed to be, y'know, the usual array of psychic abilities like telekinesis, telepathy. That I can live with. But Eleven fucking RESURRECTING Max from the dead, Vecna sacrificing people to open portals and the implication that Vecna harvests souls if Diabeetus69 is right is going way too far into outright retardation. The D&D stuff should end at being a point of reference for the kids to explain all the weird crap happening through the lens of childhood.

Honestly the more I think about this season the more it pisses me off. It just does so many fucking things wrong.

 

[Power Glove]

I finished it, finally and I had a blast with it. My favourite season since the first one.

 

[anti SJW]

That's the vibe I got from that.

How I think it will end: final scene is set in like 2015 or so. The whole thing was just a long TTRPG campaign. Barb, Bob, Yuri and Eddie was played by the same player whose characters kept getting killed.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

I was just now wondering about how Eleven actually did it: she was astral projecting so it couldn't have been physical, like just telekinetic CPR, right?

I could buy Eleven restarting Max's heart if she was physically there, but telepathically from halfway across the country? That's just pushing things into absolutely retarded territory.

Honestly the more I think about this season the more it pisses me off. It just does so many fucking things wrong.

I get the feeling that's going to be a much more popular opinion once people revisit the series and notice things that were never explained or plot threads that were just dropped. Right now we're in the overwhelmed by content zone, kinda like how people walked out of The Dark Knight super impressed by the ride only for it to start going "wait, did I actually ENJOY that?". I'm just worried that the Vecna origin shit has done what I always feared: that it actually damages the earlier good seasons by adding another dynamic that's terrible to them.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

So Vecna is the real big bad the entire series?

That's just weird to get use too now. Just because the show was really implying eldrich terror types before now its not?

That's the irony of this season: it's much better than Season 3 was (and parts of Season 2), but it retroactively cheapens the show.

Yeah that just cheapens the original series so much. What made the Upside Down such a threat was that only the demagorgon made it out of it, and it seemed to be one of the many, many unimaginable horrors that lived there. Not only was it a fantastic threat, but who knows what else was waiting on the other side. The great thing about season 2 and the mindflayer was that you had a confirmation that yeah, there's way worse stuff over there....

Except no, all of those things are under the spell of a previously unknown incel who wants to destroy the world because he's... angry? Papa bad? Reeeeee?

That's a shame.

 

[Oats12345]

That's the irony of this season: it's much better than Season 3 was (and parts of Season 2), but it retroactively cheapens the show.

Yeah that just cheapens the original series so much. What made the Upside Down such a threat was that only the demagorgon made it out of it, and it seemed to be one of the many, many unimaginable horrors that lived there. Not only was it a fantastic threat, but who knows what else was waiting on the other side. The great thing about season 2 and the mindflayer was that you had a confirmation that yeah, there's way worse stuff over there....

Except no, all of those things are under the spell of a previously unknown incel who wants to destroy the world because he's... angry? Papa bad? Reeeeee?

That's a shame.

I have mix feelings about it honselty. Like I find Vecna a interesting villain but at the same time I find the twist just weird. Meaning all of those creatures we saw in the pass were just controlled by a super power serial killer and not eldalch terror like beings.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

Eddie was the most likeable character since Sean Astin’s. Of course they fucking kill them off.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Dona Morte]

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[Internet War Criminal]

I have mix feelings about it honselty. Like I find Vecna a interesting villain but at the same time I find the twist just weird. Meaning all of those creatures we saw in the pass were just controlled by a super power serial killer and not eldalch terror like beings.

If Vecna had been its own thing, yeah I agree it would have been nice to see that the experiments really backfired on them. The problem is not Vecna, but where they place him in the cannon of the show. It cheapens everything we've seen so far, and really stops making sense when you think about the sequence of events.

 

[Oats12345]

I hate Twitter.
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If Vecna had been its own thing, yeah I agree it would have been nice to see that the experiments really backfired on them. The problem is not Vecna, but where they place him in the cannon of the show. It cheapens everything we've seen so far, and really stops making sense when you think about the sequence of events.

Yeah pretty much.

It makes certain things confusing from the past seasons with him being revealed behide everything.

 

[Dona Morte]

So I want to speak about Wills character.
I liked how his character developed he reminds me of someone in my life.
I liked how his sexuality is not WHO HE IS, and how they waited to even hint at it.
He also grows into his own by the time the last few episodes roll in. It's not smacked in your face, and it's also not the ONLY personality traits.
The survivors guilt in Max was also written very well and begs to question: how much do we do for family?
Not sure about the weakest point.

 

[pork and beans]

only good thing from this season was that spellbound by siouxsie and the banshees played during the credits.

 

[Gimmick Account]

I could buy Eleven restarting Max's heart if she was physically there, but telepathically from halfway across the country? That's just pushing things into absolutely retarded territory.

Yeah exactly, I mean I'm pretty sure it's an actual rule that you can't physically interact (even telekinetically) while astrally-projecting.

Vecna sorta can but it seems to basically require them to help him out by wanting to die, and even with half a dozen potential hacks on his side (like spore contamination, etc) it's still a whole prolonged ritual to make whatever he does work.

The drunken point I was trying to make was that this limitation possibly implies some clues about what she was able to do. And her record for the consequences of getting mad and pulling new abilities out of her ass isn't great.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Finished the season and I disagree, this is a terrible season. So terrible in fact that it cheapens the show.

I really liked the eldritch aspect of the show and I liked the cosmic horror. Instead of a eldritch universe of unexplainable horrors we get an Eren Jaeger type doombringer who wants to destroy the world because...

 

[Gimmick Account]

Yeah I dunno if the case is closed on One really being the big bad.

He thinks he is but the last candidate was a formless hivemind who rules one or more dimensions, apparently controls every living thing in the nether which might actually be part of it for all we know, and whose power and motivations we haven't seen the full extent of. And it's also the one thing we've seen that'd find a town-sized portal convenient.

I dunno much about D&D module stuff but I'm kinda expecting a twist on that end anyway, and arrogant wizards thinking they can control a lovecraft god usually turns out a certain way.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Yeah I dunno if the case is closed on One really being the big bad.

He thinks he is but the last candidate was a formless hivemind who rules one or more dimensions, apparently controls every living thing in the nether which might actually be part of it for all we know, and whose power and motivations we haven't seen the full extent of. And it's also the one thing we've seen that'd find a town-sized portal convenient.

I dunno much about D&D module stuff but I'm kinda expecting a twist on that end anyway, and arrogant wizards thinking they can control a lovecraft god usually turns out a certain way.

You are giving the writers too much credit.

He goes from "papa bad grrrr" to "I wanna be the ultimate predators everyone is broken and evil" a d then to "I am not evil lol I just wanted this portal open this world is actually pretty cool" in the course of like 3 episodes.

 

[huecoffs02]

Vecna should have been the 5 star general like Dustin said. I liked the idea of the Mindflayer as a concept.

 

[Oats12345]

You are giving the writers too much credit.

He goes from "papa bad grrrr" to "I wanna be the ultimate predators everyone is broken and evil" a d then to "I am not evil lol I just wanted this portal open this world is actually pretty cool" in the course of like 3 episodes.

The people who are saying "I think the Mind Flyer is still the main villain and is just using Vecna". Are giving the writers too much credit. I have a feeling Vecna is indeed the finale villain rather we like it or not.
Hollywood writers become less creative as time goes on and fans still belive otherwise.

I still have mix feeling towards Vecna

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I still have mix feeling towards Vecna

He's such a bad villain for the series lol.

First they needed to undo all the season 1 lore to squeeze him in. Then they had to downscale evey season antagonist to make him the final boss.

He's the ugliest/most boring out of all the monsters. Just a dude with growths on him. The talent is long gone; even S3 monster was better looking, and it was just slender man.

Of course it had to be a human controlling it all, otherwise the audience cannot relate to the villain. He also destroyed all the eldritch and mystery.

Now the mystery of the upside down is pretty much solved, there wasn't an eldritch god or unexplainable power; just some faggot with TK powers and Eren Jaeger type revenge fetish.