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Vecna is just poorly written. The whole "1 had powers the whole time" just shits all over the mysterious canon the show creators have tried to build over the years as now the source of the issues aren't simply weird science experiments gone wrong but instead this freaky god person. It also creates dozens and dozens of plotholes that are now impossible to plug without causing even more issues with the general story including the very obvious 'Why didn't they simply kill 1?' instead of keeping them as an orderly where even without powers they could manipulate the kids.

I'm getting a weird feeling here that a lot of the weird plot threads that were introduced at the start of the season will never get resolved (like how did 1 manage to get his father to slice his own eyes out if he was imprisoned since his coma?) because they changed things in between shooting scenes and lost track of everything. The tight writing of Season 1 has gone completely out the window and we all know that part of it is because they have to keep track of 60 different characters now and one timeline fuck up can cascade and cause bigger issues down the line.
 
Say what you will about Breaking bad, but at least when the biker nazis got introduced they weren't there because they were behind the cartel bullshit from the start. i imagine if the duffers did a similar thing here of "not as strong or tough as previous villains in fact much weaker but a mirror version of the heroes" thing it would have worked better. basically "what if 11 never got the chance at a normal life"
 
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Oh don't get me wrong, he's DEFINITELY a better trade-off overall. But idk, pure evil villains with no innate human motivations are still pretty snore-inducing. Much like Voldemort, all he really has is his design and what he could potentially do to the kids. But there's still very little complexity to his motivation other than being evil and hurting things.

The best villains, even pure evil ones, have a believable reason for turning out how they did. There's always a kernal of humanity or sympathy there. Or, at least, some level of depth.

But yeah. Evil kids with fucked up brains who torture animals and become stock Freddy Krueger knockoffs don't really have much in the way of being compelling. I'm glad that he has a presence and can potentially kill off our cast. But he's still pretty dull.
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Frank Underwood and Light Yagami are probably good examples of doing pure evil villains in my opinion. Another is Michael Meyers. But that I think is mostly comes from characters trying to understand him.
 
Stole my Exs password to watch it and Netflix is down. Oy vey don't shut it down Screenshot_20220701-000907_Chrome~2.jpg
 
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Also, I hate to be an annoying nerd here, but how exactly can the parents think that their kids are actually part of this ritualistic satanic gang when just two seasons ago they were debriefed by the secret services over things that they'd seen? Did that annoying nigger kid not realise the stakes when she ratted out her brother to the cops?
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Yea, like why isn't anyone annoyed by this? It's been 5 years not 5 generations.

How did people forget the events of the past seasons?
 
Watched the first of the 2 new episodes. Can't watch the last until after work. But I have a question.

It's said there are 4 gates, 4 victims that Vecna has to kill to open them. Krissy the cheerleader was one, Fred, Nancy's newspaper assistant was another. Max was supposed to be a third. The show mentioned someone else. I can't remember who it is.
 
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Watched the first of the 2 new episodes. Can't watch the last until after work. But I have a question.

It's said there are 4 gates, 4 victims that Vecna has to kill to open them. Krissy the cheerleader was one, Fred, Nancy's newspaper assistant was another. Max was supposed to be a third. The show mentioned someone else. I can't remember who it is.
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You're forgetting someone
The basketball player near the lake.
 
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The gates opening I figured was gonna happen and I figured if somebody was gonna die it would be Eddie. But at least he died a heroic way. He fills the same role that Bob and Alexie did before him. Jason's death was well deserved and pretty bad, glad it happened to him. I did feel that the story was all over the place and did a poor job of bringing all the plots together. Will, Mike, and Johnathan barely contributed to the plot
 
If you're in here without watching the episodes and get spoiled then it's all on you pals.

I'm not sure what to think of part 2 tbh, it all ties back to my critiques of the writing in general and how uneven the pacing is between the 'groups' of characters. They had Steve and co tied up for like 10 minutes because they were in the way, the Russia plot still sucked and about 20 minutes of emotional reunited scenes for the feels (tm) was straight up overkill. It felt like a show centred around 'moments' and prioritising style over substance rather than being as smart as it was during the earlier seasons, with Hopper brandishing a fucking sword in slow motion just topping the whole thing as cinematic wank.

Eddie was always going to die because there was no way they were going to kill off a major Stranger Things character (because they're pussies) and even the twist of Max dying was deflated by it being magically resolved into a coma. I half expected Eleven to fucking revive her in the hospital so they could all have a party or something, given how fucking terrified they are of even rocking the boat or doing ANYTHING to alter the cast significantly in any way.

Also I find it fucking hilarious how the ground opened up with fucking hellfire and in the distance there's the gate to the upside down opening but nope, they gotta keep up the fucking lie to everyone they encounter because they can't have too many people knowing these things outside of their secret club. Who gives a shit about Eddie's uncle getting the real closure he needs if he could "stay and fight" a fucking earthquake.

I guess I was right about the cliffhanger ending to buy time to unfuck things (tbh if they were leading into the final season then I kinda expected it anyway) with the incredible vague 'buy ourselves some time' questions like "Is the gate really open?", "Is Max able to be fixed?" and "Did Vecna actually die?", which allow the writers to decide whether or not to have the final season involving Vecna or it being a bunch of wavy hands shit to push forward the Mind Flayer IRL storyline.

EDIT: Actually the whole ending makes even less sense if you consider they're not filming 4 and 5 back to back so there'll be like 2 years in between seeing this massive fucking crater consuming the town and actually doing ANYTHING.
 
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Hmm, The dialog and tropes were annoying. I didn't have a problem with storyline, I thought it was really good. I was just tired of the extremely juvenile dialog. Dustin with Eddie, "We're going to get you to a hospital!!!". Like we've never heard that one before. Overall, the death felt overly dramatic, like Buggs Bunny pretending to die in order to outsmart Elmer Fudd. Of people really want to complain about potholes, complain about the fact that this is happening in some dumb hick town nobody cares about.
 
Tbh the biggest plothole was how they retconned time in the upside down. For some reason time is stuck back from when L opened the second gate (given that even though we now know when 1 was pushed through the upside down there wasn't ANY Hawkins whatsoever. I guess there's the idea that L sent 1 into a deep part of the upside down and Hawkins was constructed around it but everything seems extremely messy. I mean I give them credit because once you start messing with time in media it's almost impossible to write it consistently but they managed to screw up the time situation within a single season, which brings me back to what I was saying about how they clearly fucked up at some point but didn't have the time or options to rewrite or reshoot certain scenes so just hoped it all worked out.

There's also the issue of the season 2 ending when the Snow Ball happens and it turns upside down and we see the Snow Ball banner in the upside down, so either the snow ball coincided with that test Nancy was studying for or they just needed to retcon an excuse why there weren't any weapons in Nancy's house.

Also the hivemind. The demodogs were the hivemind in season 2 and the big fleshy monster was a hivemind in season 3 but that didn't mean that everything connected to the upside down was hivemind. Hopper attacking demodogs in Russia and somehow helping the kids in Hawkins at the exact same time despite them taking on another entity altogether was bizarre.

Tbh I'd probably have just been able to switch off my brain and not sperg out if the dialogue wasn't so fucking atrocious at times because honestly the 20 minute climax to the Vecna thing and Max's death (bar the Hopper scenes) was really enjoyable and I actually liked how Jason technically didn't do anything wrong from his own perspective other than his cringe sermons in public, but naturally given the gravity of the situation he really did need to die given how keeping him alive would have seen him never forgive the gang and want them executed. Curious what happened to that other jock who got his nuts kicked given that Lucas' sister prevented him from going into the house where his best friend was mysteriously never seen again.

I'm probably being way too critical of it but honestly my big issues always stemmed from how big they made the cast which screwed absolutely everything up and required the gang to be split up all the fucking time causing plot timeline issues, creating hideously uneven screen time, and creating HMM moments how everyone is somehow in sync despite having no communication between them all, and to top it off they even introduced MORE characters in Yuri, Eddie, Jason and the smuggler. Overall I think I'm just pissed that I spent 2.5 hours watching an episode that could very easily have seen 45 minutes of it never leave the cutting room floor and nothing of any value would be lost.
 
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