Star Wars: Rogue One - Cat Party can't type a fucking title correctly so I had to fix this for him like I do everything

[waffle]

To me the only thing that I can't justify about Rey is her ability to pilot and fix the falcon so fast. Her being able to do force stuff doesn't bother me a whole lot, Luke was a pretty bad ass Jedi by the beginning of ROTJ and his formal training with Yoda was like a week long. The force always struck me as a fairly innate thing, and she had just been on the receiving end of an attempt to mind trick her, so I can see that kind of giving you some idea how to do it. Granted, Luke did a lot of self-study but by the beginning of empire he was "a jedi" for all of three years.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

To me the only thing that I can't justify about Rey is her ability to pilot and fix the falcon so fast. Her being able to do force stuff doesn't bother me a whole lot, Luke was a pretty bad ass Jedi by the beginning of ROTJ and his formal training with Yoda was like a week long. The force always struck me as a fairly innate thing, and she had just been on the receiving end of an attempt to mind trick her, so I can see that kind of giving you some idea how to do it. Granted, Luke did a lot of self-study but by the beginning of empire he was "a jedi" for all of three years.

Rey's skills with the Falcon come from the fact she spent half her life fucking around with it. The movie explicitly states she was there when the junkyard alien installed all his bullshit mods to it. Anyone who saw this scene and thought it meant "stronk action gurl knows the Falcon better than Han" was not paying attention.

 

[waffle]

Rey's skills with the Falcon come from the fact she spent half her life fucking around with it. The movie explicitly states she was there when the junkyard alien installed all his bullshit mods to it. Anyone who saw this scene and thought it meant "stronk action gurl knows the Falcon better than Han" was not paying attention.

Eh, I know they said that in the movie. But, it didn't come off as a very good explanation to me. Just because she watched alien Simon Peg mess with the falcon doesn't explain how she knew a god damn thing about how it works. Even if they are going for the "the force makes you good with machines" angle, which I guess is fine even though I don't think they handled it very well; I still just can't buy that she has any idea how to fly a star ship after not leaving Jaku since she was a baby. It's not like she can afford a bunch of "space ships for dummies" manuals living in a crashed AT-AT in the shit desert. Luke was a believable pilot because they established that he had a recreational ship that he flew all time time, and Anakin at least was shown to be an expert pod racer and had R2 helping him fly the ship (and did a shithouse job on top of it).

 

[ASoulMan]

I think the title of this thread should either be changed or the thread should be merged with an existing Star Wars thread. Not only do we already have a thread about Rogue One, but this has become less about the film itself and more about Rey's character and TFA in general.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Eh, I know they said that in the movie. But, it didn't come off as a very good explanation to me. Just because she watched alien Simon Peg mess with the falcon doesn't explain how she knew a god damn thing about how it works. Even if they are going for the "the force makes you good with machines" angle, which I guess is fine even though I don't think they handled it very well; I still just can't buy that she has any idea how to fly a star ship after not leaving Jaku since she was a baby. It's not like she can afford a bunch of "space ships for dummies" manuals living in a crashed AT-AT in the shit desert. Luke was a believable pilot because they established that he had a recreational ship that he flew all time time, and Anakin at least was shown to be an expert pod racer and had R2 helping him fly the ship (and did a shithouse job on top of it).

I mean, she lived amongst the wreckage of old starships and made her living learning how they work. That was how she spent basically all of her time--learning about starships. And that's pretty clear from watching it. It's not really any less believable than Luke acing the Death Star mission the first time he ever sat in a military fighter craft. Or Anakin building his own podracer and using it to win "the most dangerous race in the galaxy" all while being nine fucking years old. Suspiciously competent protagonists are nothing new to these movies. And while I don't think Rey is quite as interesting or likable as Luke was, I still have no idea why the internet judges this character so goddamn harshly when she's done absolutely nothing out of place for a Star Wars character.

I think the title of this thread should either be changed or the thread should be merged with an existing Star Wars thread. Not only do we already have a thread about Rogue One, but this has become less about the film itself and more about Rey's character and TFA in general.

Probably not a bad idea.

 

[waffle]

@Replicant Sasquatch : Yeah, man. I'm not necessarily trying to disagree with you and I also think that Rey is a fine character. I don't get all the hate for her and people claiming she's a Mary Sue. But, I guess at the end of the day what I'm trying to say is that she's just not quite as believable or easy to relate to as Luke was at the end of ANH.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

@Replicant Sasquatch : Yeah, man. I'm not necessarily trying to disagree with you and I also think that Rey is a fine character. I don't get all the hate for her and people claiming she's a Mary Sue. But, I guess at the end of the day what I'm trying to say is that she's just not quite as believable or easy to relate to as Luke was at the end of ANH.

I think part of what Rey has working against her is the mere fact Luke exists. The original movies were lightning in a bottle, and honestly I feel with TFA they did exactly what they needed to. Rey still could have used a bit of reworks; I didn't like how she was able to understand BB-8. There's no precedence in the movies for any character other than C-3PO understanding droid beeps. It kind of came out of left field and I have no idea how she could have learned it considering droids were apparently extremely rare on space Somalia or whatever. If she could understand it, then Luke should have as well since he grew up around helper robots.

Personally I think it would have been a lot more fun if she just pretended to understand it as some sort of game. She was clearly starved for a friend.

 

[waffle]

I think part of what Rey has working against her is the mere fact Luke exists. The original movies were lightning in a bottle, and honestly I feel with TFA they did exactly what they needed to. Rey still could have used a bit of reworks; I didn't like how she was able to understand BB-8. There's no precedence in the movies for any character other than C-3PO understanding droid beeps. It kind of came out of left field and I have no idea how she could have learned it considering droids were apparently extremely rare on space Somalia or whatever. If she could understand it, then Luke should have as well since he grew up around helper robots.

Personally I think it would have been a lot more fun if she just pretended to understand it as some sort of game. She was clearly starved for a friend.

I don't know if I can agree with the droid parts. Most of the characters seemed to understand R2 in the original trilogy, especially Luke. Anakin and Obi-Wan, among other characters in the prequels also seemed to know what astromech droids were saying just fine or at least get the gist of it pretty well.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

I don't know if I can agree with the droid parts. Most of the characters seemed to understand R2 in the original trilogy, especially Luke. Anakin and Obi-Wan, among other characters in the prequels also seemed to know what astromech droids were saying just fine or at least get the gist of it pretty well.

I used to think this until I took a close look at the the movies. The only time Luke ever actually understood exactly what R2 was saying was when he was in his X-Wing. If you look closely at the scene in Empire where he's flying to Dagobah, you actually see him reading a translation of what R2 is saying on his console. It used to be in English but then in one of the George editions they used CGI to turn it into whatever the made up language they speak is called.

Every other time someone other than Threepio is talking to R2, they're only kind of talking to themselves. Luke even says "if what you're trying to say is coming here was a bad idea then I agree".

Rey is able to actually totally understand what BB-8 is saying to her. Not even like a gist of it thing. The little droid name-drops an in-universe star system name and she understood exactly what it said.

 

[waffle]

Eh, I haven't watched the original trilogy in a while, but I defiantly remember that Luke seems to understand R2 more and more as the movies go on, and he defiantly understands more than Han and Leia. But, the more I think you're right that understanding the astromech droids is much more the exception than the rule and there's no reason that Rey should know any of it.

 

[GabeRegan]

While I don't know how much of it the new writers are taking from it, in the old EU there were plenty of character besides protocol droids that can understand binary.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

While I don't know how much of it the new writers are taking from it, in the old EU there were plenty of character besides protocol droids that can understand binary.

The EU also featured extragalactic aliens who were "immune" to the Force, exponential Palpatine clones, Luke falling to the dark side because reasons, and dozens upon dozens of books and comics expanding on the bullshit forever war between the Jedi and Sith.

Barring a few exceptions, the EU is best left ignored.

 

[GabeRegan]

This is not untrue, and is one of the main reasons I was never that broken up about Disney dumping the whole thing when they started working on Episode VII. For every Thrawn Trilogy you had two incredibly shitty stories. That being said, I believe Poe was also able to understand BB-8 during the film.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

This is not untrue, and is one of the main reasons I was never that broken up about Disney dumping the whole thing when they started working on Episode VII. For every Thrawn Trilogy you had two incredibly shitty stories. That being said, I believe Poe was also able to understand BB-8 during the film.

The only time we really see Poe having a "conversation" with BB-8 is when he's in his X-Wing. Which again, there's a screen which translates that.

Characters like Poe and Luke spent a lot of time around their droids. So I don't doubt they were able to get a feel for what the robots were trying to convey. But it's never really implied they could actually understand the beeping and again Luke all but says he can't actually understand R2 in Empire. The way Rey speaks to BB-8, it's like the droid is actually speaking to her in English. That' or she's just completely bullshitting but sadly that's clearly not the case even though it would have been way more fun.

 

[waffle]

Ya know, that's one of the things that rely bothers me about EU. You could do a good Luke dark side story because he was clearly tempted by it in ROTJ, but none of the ones I know of rely did it justice much at all.

I don't even have a problem with the Jedi Sith "forever war" because in a lot of ways that's kind of the meta-theme of the setting, but the Emperor clones were over the god damn line after the first time it happened.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Ya know, that's one of the things that rely bothers me about EU. You could do a good Luke dark side story because he was clearly tempted by it in ROTJ, but none of the ones I know of rely did it justice much at all.

A lot of people focus on how Luke was on a real razor's edge at that moment, but they also forget the fact despite the temptation he didn't give into it. That wasn't meant to be a one-time thing. The entire point of that scene was Luke had the chance to take vengeance on someone who did all this awful stuff to him and didn't. Having Luke fall, no matter how much "justice" you do for it, is completely rewriting his entire character devlopment.

I don't even have a problem with the Jedi Sith "forever war" because in a lot of ways that's kind of the meta-theme of the setting, but the Emperor clones were over the god damn line after the first time it happened.

I could sperg on about this for hours, so I'll just leave it with the opinion the whole Sith lore thing really bogs down the setting and the story. There never really need to be a "meta-theme" mostly because the concept of meta-themes itself is often totally trite and unnecessary. It's pointless and contributes nothing to the story, which is why it was wisely left out of the original movies. Any mention of the Sith could have been taken out of the Prequels as well and those movies probably would have been better for it. Palpatine never needed to be anything other than an evil wizard.

 

[The Lawgiver]

In the original film the death star plans are given to R2D2 when Leia just kinda takes him off to the side and nobody is aware of the fact the death star plans were given to the droids till it was too fucking late and the whimsical space jews had already caught them in their gigantic upside down space iron.

I'd be more interested for this movie if I hadn't seen the statements the creators made about the empire being a "white supremacist movement" which makes no god damn sense other than that one fact their uniforms were based on nazi uniforms.
It's somewhat of a reversal of the black stormtrooper shitshow from the last star wars movie. Make up your god damn minds didney, is the dark side racist or just the dark side?

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

In the original film the death star plans are given to R2D2 when Leia just kinda takes him off to the side and nobody is aware of the fact the death star plans were given to the droids till it was too fucking late and the whimsical space jews had already caught them in their gigantic upside down space iron.

I'd be more interested for this movie if I hadn't seen the statements the creators made about the empire being a "white supremacist movement" which makes no god damn sense other than that one fact their uniforms were based on nazi uniforms.
It's somewhat of a reversal of the black stormtrooper shitshow from the last star wars movie. Make up your god damn minds didney, is the dark side racist or just the dark side?

People forget all the extras in those movies are white because they were just dudes milling around parking lots on London. Not because George was trying to make a statement about race.

 

[XYZpdq]

Spoiler: I saw that webm going around from China

holy shit vader kills the fuck out of those redshirts

 

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Honestly don't care for this movie or any of the Star Wars franchise. Got tired of it after "Shadows of the Empire" on my N64 back in the day.

THAT SAID... I will be excited if they ever do decide to do another Star Wars Holiday Special, in which they get the cast from Star Wars 7: Make The Empire Great Again, get them all high on bath salts, and lock them up in a TV studio with extras dressed up in Wookie costumes and driving around Go-Karts... which is pretty much how the holiday special back in the 70s worked.